hooverzodiac12
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how fast do the washers spin. and is it possible for them to go out of balance. they look scary haha
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Softener/// spin speeds
Dave; Dry or powdered softner is mostly avail. to commerical users only. and in min 45lb quanity One would most likely only need a teaspoon full or less in a home washer.. but as stated above Getting help from Ecolab or any other companies will be non existant as they will tell you that you are not to have the product anyway.. The dry softener will not harm a home washer, I have used it for years in the smaller washers and at home too. Only have to use 1/4 teaspoon here. Ecolab AutoChlor and P&G commerical and most of the others, Will flat out tell you on the phone (and be nasty about it too) that they don't care if you damage your clothes or washer you dont have it under their contract so too bad!
SPIN SPEEDS are 1200 RPM and the basket is a full 52" so we are talking some serious G forces on these machines..They are vibra mount (soft mount) machines so they can handle a out of balance load pretty well. They do have a balance proceedure they go thru before going into extract and it all but stops the unblance problem. Have not yet had one to go out of balance. If they sense a out of balance load they stop and redistribute the load and start again automatically. It will tell you on the screen what it is doing so the washman knows.The programmer can be programmed to the second and temperatures to the degree, There is nothing that cannot be programmed or added or deleted. A operation can be skipped or added at any point in the cycle , Temps can be raised or lowered at any point. levels can be raised or lowered at any point also. Wash time can be added anytime by the second, min, or even hour, a soak can be done for any length of time anywhere in the cycle.Extract time can be shorter or longer by the second or min. with only a touch of a button.
Dave; Dry or powdered softner is mostly avail. to commerical users only. and in min 45lb quanity One would most likely only need a teaspoon full or less in a home washer.. but as stated above Getting help from Ecolab or any other companies will be non existant as they will tell you that you are not to have the product anyway.. The dry softener will not harm a home washer, I have used it for years in the smaller washers and at home too. Only have to use 1/4 teaspoon here. Ecolab AutoChlor and P&G commerical and most of the others, Will flat out tell you on the phone (and be nasty about it too) that they don't care if you damage your clothes or washer you dont have it under their contract so too bad!
SPIN SPEEDS are 1200 RPM and the basket is a full 52" so we are talking some serious G forces on these machines..They are vibra mount (soft mount) machines so they can handle a out of balance load pretty well. They do have a balance proceedure they go thru before going into extract and it all but stops the unblance problem. Have not yet had one to go out of balance. If they sense a out of balance load they stop and redistribute the load and start again automatically. It will tell you on the screen what it is doing so the washman knows.The programmer can be programmed to the second and temperatures to the degree, There is nothing that cannot be programmed or added or deleted. A operation can be skipped or added at any point in the cycle , Temps can be raised or lowered at any point. levels can be raised or lowered at any point also. Wash time can be added anytime by the second, min, or even hour, a soak can be done for any length of time anywhere in the cycle.Extract time can be shorter or longer by the second or min. with only a touch of a button.
customizable step programmers
Sudsman, don't you feel all our envy ?!? ;-) *LOL*
A machine that allow you to choose tumbling cadence, tumbling speed, levels, insert a cooldown, profile heat/wash, set different rpm for spins in different steps ...
this is our dream indeed !!!
Can laundrymen use preset formulas only or are they allowed to compilate new ones too ?
Thanks for the answer about detergents
Sudsman, don't you feel all our envy ?!? ;-) *LOL*
A machine that allow you to choose tumbling cadence, tumbling speed, levels, insert a cooldown, profile heat/wash, set different rpm for spins in different steps ...
this is our dream indeed !!!
Can laundrymen use preset formulas only or are they allowed to compilate new ones too ?
Thanks for the answer about detergents
Who makes the Ramco washers? I've never seen them. Will look for them at the Clean show in June. Seeing as tho' they are softmounts, that place must be ROCKING when they all go into the final spin!
My guess is that the dryers are ADC...
My guess is that the dryers are ADC...
hooverzodiac12
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haha dude im so jelous. i want a washing machine like that just a domestic size though. 1200 rpm?? my god thats some force. i cant imagine what kinda of motor can do that ioits just amazing haha to me anyway
thanks
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. 1200 rpm?? my god thats some force. i cant imagine what kinda of motor can do that ioits just amazing haha to me anywaythanks
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Wow sudsman!! You have an awesome job. Yeh, I want one of those machines too.
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"Safer" Commercial Laundry Products
If one were to persevere far enough, safe commercial laundry products can be found and purchased via an on-line janitorial supplier. For example: I’ve ordered Ecolab Brite White (although it’s on backorder and I've yet to audition it). It is a pre-measured powder, designed for residential type TL’s. I've also found Ecolab “Clearly Soft” online, but it’s $249 for a 5-gallon pail. They can keep it. Zep has built detergents and other commercial laundry products, some of which are designed for home-style, small machines. I've tried Zep “Vantio” (powder) which is a built detergent that has a (1% solution) 12.3 - 12.7 pH. And it’s designed specifically for residential style machines. Another is Zep “Zeplift,” an enzyme-based, powdered detergent. One of the best I've tried is Colgate Palmolive’s “Dynamo” (thick, blue liquid). It has (what they call) “special builders” but is not as caustic as some detergents with high concentrations of alkalies. It’s safer to use and still gets everything clean, including hair-dye-stained colored towels. I’m still working on finding a softener that’s to my liking. I’m very picky... Hate Downey, Snuggle, etc. And some of the dryer sheets can block your dryer’s air flow.
I can understand why commercial distributors keep a tight leash on to whom they sell products. Some of that stuff can really mess up your laundry and equipment if not used correctly (as already stated by launderess), not to mention: cause physical harm to the user. Also, there are a lot of DOT restrictions on transporting the really toxic laundry products. Give the UPS man a break... not an ‘Alkaline Break’.. LOL.
One more thing I thought of: Some of the commercial products have a limited shelf life. Take for instance, sour: (and sudsman, correct me if I’m wrong) It contains phosphoric acid, so it is dangerous if used incorrectly and without the proper protection, and probably comes only in large quantities, so it would probably expire before you could ever use it up at home.
I've been doing some homework on this, but I'm sure the pro's can elaborate with a lot more accuracy and experience, which I’d love to hear. I don’t want to sound like the know-it-all newcomer to the forum. It may be strange, but I just find the whole industry (machines and products) to be very interesting and enjoy reading about everyone’s cool machines and experiences. Low suds and high spins to everyone! Wash On! (corny, I know) Ha!
If one were to persevere far enough, safe commercial laundry products can be found and purchased via an on-line janitorial supplier. For example: I’ve ordered Ecolab Brite White (although it’s on backorder and I've yet to audition it). It is a pre-measured powder, designed for residential type TL’s. I've also found Ecolab “Clearly Soft” online, but it’s $249 for a 5-gallon pail. They can keep it. Zep has built detergents and other commercial laundry products, some of which are designed for home-style, small machines. I've tried Zep “Vantio” (powder) which is a built detergent that has a (1% solution) 12.3 - 12.7 pH. And it’s designed specifically for residential style machines. Another is Zep “Zeplift,” an enzyme-based, powdered detergent. One of the best I've tried is Colgate Palmolive’s “Dynamo” (thick, blue liquid). It has (what they call) “special builders” but is not as caustic as some detergents with high concentrations of alkalies. It’s safer to use and still gets everything clean, including hair-dye-stained colored towels. I’m still working on finding a softener that’s to my liking. I’m very picky... Hate Downey, Snuggle, etc. And some of the dryer sheets can block your dryer’s air flow.
I can understand why commercial distributors keep a tight leash on to whom they sell products. Some of that stuff can really mess up your laundry and equipment if not used correctly (as already stated by launderess), not to mention: cause physical harm to the user. Also, there are a lot of DOT restrictions on transporting the really toxic laundry products. Give the UPS man a break... not an ‘Alkaline Break’.. LOL.
One more thing I thought of: Some of the commercial products have a limited shelf life. Take for instance, sour: (and sudsman, correct me if I’m wrong) It contains phosphoric acid, so it is dangerous if used incorrectly and without the proper protection, and probably comes only in large quantities, so it would probably expire before you could ever use it up at home.
I've been doing some homework on this, but I'm sure the pro's can elaborate with a lot more accuracy and experience, which I’d love to hear. I don’t want to sound like the know-it-all newcomer to the forum. It may be strange, but I just find the whole industry (machines and products) to be very interesting and enjoy reading about everyone’s cool machines and experiences. Low suds and high spins to everyone! Wash On! (corny, I know) Ha!
Answers
Pete The dryers are ADC They make the best going, Ramco claims to built their own but I dont beleive it for min. Having lunch with one of their Servie men tomorrow and going to find out for sure then.
Favorit: A good laundry manager uses what ever formula he wants. I use different formulas at both plants. Machines are different and supplies are different soil contents are different.. what works one place will not another.
Laundry Nut:
Sours are made of a lot of different products now.
My favorite is Raylene sour. IT has a brightner and blueing in it and is a dry sour made with Ammonium Silica Fluoride
Ecolab dry sour also has a brightner and is good but I prefer a sour with a blueing. Just a old laundry managers thing. Have and do use Clearly Soft some on the Gowns,our price is only 98.00 but have problems with it on the ironer. Ecolab gives deep discounts to "buying groups" other wise you get it up the A###. The same with most of them. AutoChlor claims they will NOT sell to the public but I have seen some on ebay..and in hotel supply catalouges.
Thanks to all four the nice comments I needed it at this time in my life have been thru a lot in the last 2 mons.. thanks to all..
ecola
Pete The dryers are ADC They make the best going, Ramco claims to built their own but I dont beleive it for min. Having lunch with one of their Servie men tomorrow and going to find out for sure then.
Favorit: A good laundry manager uses what ever formula he wants. I use different formulas at both plants. Machines are different and supplies are different soil contents are different.. what works one place will not another.
Laundry Nut:
Sours are made of a lot of different products now.
My favorite is Raylene sour. IT has a brightner and blueing in it and is a dry sour made with Ammonium Silica Fluoride
Ecolab dry sour also has a brightner and is good but I prefer a sour with a blueing. Just a old laundry managers thing. Have and do use Clearly Soft some on the Gowns,our price is only 98.00 but have problems with it on the ironer. Ecolab gives deep discounts to "buying groups" other wise you get it up the A###. The same with most of them. AutoChlor claims they will NOT sell to the public but I have seen some on ebay..and in hotel supply catalouges.
Thanks to all four the nice comments I needed it at this time in my life have been thru a lot in the last 2 mons.. thanks to all..
ecola
More questions.......
HI Lee,
Thank you for all the info, this is very interesting! I'd love to come hang out and watch everything for a few hours!
I have questions about the wash program you listed above. Ready? Here we go!
>>Flush 3 Min Split hi level 22"
Is this sort of like a "pre-wash" W/O detergent? If not, what is the purpose? What is the "split", is that the water temp?
>>Wash 10 Min Hot lo level 12"
It sounds like there are two water level settings, or is that also adjustable?
What is >> Carry/Over?
Bleach, rinse, rinse, extract, sour, etc….
>> Extract lo 1 min, Sour/Soft 5 min split lo level 12 , Final extract Hi 6 mins
If the HIGH extract is 1200 RPM, what is the LO extract speed and are these adjustable as well?
Also, I would assume there is at least a "drain" between the flush, wash, bleach, carry/over, rinse, rinse, etc. Is there an extract also or only a drain?
20 years ago I worked briefly at a dry cleaners (with the plant in house) and they had bought a 50 lb Unimac for their shirt laundry work. I noticed this machine had 4 speeds (wash, drain/distribute, low and then high speed extract). It also had two different motors on the same drive belt. Are any of these washers like this (2 motors)?
Would it be possible to capture one of the "285" washers on video (for the sound) when going into final extract?
Thanks again!
Kevin
HI Lee,
Thank you for all the info, this is very interesting! I'd love to come hang out and watch everything for a few hours!
I have questions about the wash program you listed above. Ready? Here we go!
>>Flush 3 Min Split hi level 22"
Is this sort of like a "pre-wash" W/O detergent? If not, what is the purpose? What is the "split", is that the water temp?
>>Wash 10 Min Hot lo level 12"
It sounds like there are two water level settings, or is that also adjustable?
What is >> Carry/Over?
Bleach, rinse, rinse, extract, sour, etc….
>> Extract lo 1 min, Sour/Soft 5 min split lo level 12 , Final extract Hi 6 mins
If the HIGH extract is 1200 RPM, what is the LO extract speed and are these adjustable as well?
Also, I would assume there is at least a "drain" between the flush, wash, bleach, carry/over, rinse, rinse, etc. Is there an extract also or only a drain?
20 years ago I worked briefly at a dry cleaners (with the plant in house) and they had bought a 50 lb Unimac for their shirt laundry work. I noticed this machine had 4 speeds (wash, drain/distribute, low and then high speed extract). It also had two different motors on the same drive belt. Are any of these washers like this (2 motors)?
Would it be possible to capture one of the "285" washers on video (for the sound) when going into final extract?
Thanks again!
Kevin
Kevin
the machines are very quite and extract there is hardly a noise.
the levels are programmable along with any and everything else.
Split is both hot and cold water open at the same time. there are automatic drains. When the drain is called to open it stays open as long as water is running thru it. When is slows to a trickle it closes and continues the formula. This is so a heavy load of blankets will drain just a well as a load of sheets. there is a drain programmed at the end of each operation in the formula. There are 2 8" drains on the machines so the machine dumps the water and in less than 30 seconds you are running the next operation.
Flushes are used to carryoff loose soil and keep stains from setting. blood ect. They also help cut down on detergent useage.
A carryover is usually used after a bleach to help get the most from the bleach and rinse it to the point it does not interfere with other operations in the formula. A extract can be programmed anywhere in the formula and lo extract is any speed that is programmed it to be.. I use 400 one extract in the foumula is enough as the volume of water is enough to rinse well alone. The levels can be programmed to the 1/10th of a inch of level.. there are 5 preset levels or you can use any level between. There is a starch level which is very low 6" low med and hi soak level and a float level. Which is very high and used for curtains and drapes. with only 2 or 3 rpm. As far as sound there is almost no sound from the washers themselves . About the only sound there is, Is when the air operated valves operate the drain or the fill valves. then there is the sound like air brakes on a large truck. The Edro at the old plant uses air operated valves too and sounds the same.
the machines are very quite and extract there is hardly a noise.
the levels are programmable along with any and everything else.
Split is both hot and cold water open at the same time. there are automatic drains. When the drain is called to open it stays open as long as water is running thru it. When is slows to a trickle it closes and continues the formula. This is so a heavy load of blankets will drain just a well as a load of sheets. there is a drain programmed at the end of each operation in the formula. There are 2 8" drains on the machines so the machine dumps the water and in less than 30 seconds you are running the next operation.
Flushes are used to carryoff loose soil and keep stains from setting. blood ect. They also help cut down on detergent useage.
A carryover is usually used after a bleach to help get the most from the bleach and rinse it to the point it does not interfere with other operations in the formula. A extract can be programmed anywhere in the formula and lo extract is any speed that is programmed it to be.. I use 400 one extract in the foumula is enough as the volume of water is enough to rinse well alone. The levels can be programmed to the 1/10th of a inch of level.. there are 5 preset levels or you can use any level between. There is a starch level which is very low 6" low med and hi soak level and a float level. Which is very high and used for curtains and drapes. with only 2 or 3 rpm. As far as sound there is almost no sound from the washers themselves . About the only sound there is, Is when the air operated valves operate the drain or the fill valves. then there is the sound like air brakes on a large truck. The Edro at the old plant uses air operated valves too and sounds the same.
Lee, this is all so wonderful, but my head is spinnin!!
These machines just blow my mind!!! I have GOT to get myself into a laundry plant to at least try working in one! I just LOVE those big washers!!!! I'm very likely headed to Clean '09 in June as well as taking that tour of the Milnor plant the day before!!! I might have to come down to Texas at some point!!
I found this on YouTube about RAMCO washers...
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