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surburbanmd

Read some of the prev post on this subjuct there a number of test that have been done here and by the lab in the past. The bear this out.
 
That's gotta hurt

"I think it may also have something to do with the fact that our clothes are dropped what like 8-10 inches in a home machine versus 3 or 4 feet in a commercial washer of such large size? The wash action seems much more aggressive in those large machines I bet the load just doesn't need as much time being picked up and dropped because they are being dropped such a large distance?"

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Imagine, being hoisted and dropped 4 feet, each and every second, into boiling hot water and detergent. Then face a 1600 RPM extraction speed at the end (if you even survive the first cycles). Oh man, I would hate to be the one working on a repair inside that drum, only to have someone accidently slam the door with the power on!

NorfolkSouthern
 
No, Not Four Feet

Look at how the machines are loaded in photos above.

If loaded at or even barely below rated capacity, there won't be much lifting and falling the full drum, but rather more against other laundry. Or, perhaps against the side of the tub.

Could be wrong, but that is what one sees when the large SQ front loaders at local laundromat are fully loaded.

L.
 
Can I answer the question?

>>>Could it be another difference between regular home-style detergents (Sears Ultra Plus powder in my case) and commercial systems? Like, home-style detergents contain anti-redeposition agents that commercial systems don't have or need?>>>

See, I’ve been here for only a week or so, yet learned so much from Professor Sudsman. Let me take a stab at answering this question:

Here is an excerpt from a commercial detergent label: “Contains anti-redepositing agents, optical brighteners, builders, emulsifiers and wetting agents. Blended to provide optimum balance of alkalinity and detergency.”

Most detergents (store-bought and commercial) contain some common ingredients, including anti-redepositing agents. The commercial detergents (depending on the application for which they’re formulated) can also contain high amounts of alkaline builders, which expand the textile fibers, allowing soil to be more easily removed in the wash process. Commercial dry bleach can have between 9% and 18% available bleach content, while regular Clorox is around 5%. These, along with other factors, make the time necessary to “clean” the load much less than what you would need using supermarket brands. Overexposure to bleach can cause damage and greying. Thus, short wash/bleach bath cycles. Multiple rinses with commercial additives like anti-chlor and sour are necessary to neutralize the alkalinity and chlorine presence and bring the final pH back to normal, prolonging the life of the textile, not to mention, making it easier to handle during the finishing process.

But, being the student in training, I yield to the sudsman for correction and/or clarification.
 
Dry Bleach is avail. up to 20 %

All detergents have Anti-redeposition chemicals in them. Some have more than others. H E detergents have the most as they have to keep the soil in supension longer beaucse of the screwy wash times they have to deal with now. Commerical do have less in them as almost no Laundry Manager runs any bath longer than 15 mins at the most anymore.. It just causes too much wasted time. and does not cause better work. The longer a load sloshes around in dirty water the more soil that will be redeposited on the load even with a lot of agents some will still go back into the load. The A/R chemicals will not stop it all 100 % Wascomat was one of the first to realize this many many years ago. When they set up the 1st automatic formual on their washers. Some of the very 1st ones went into the early submarines . Their fomulas was almost same as standard ones still in use today.. Prewash wash and 3 rinse.About BLEACH A old laundry managers rule.... Wash the load clean and bleach it white. Bleach is NOT a good substitue for good laundry practices. but too many people use it to hide bad laundry proceedures. Dont get be wrong use of it is needed but too many times it is used for the wrong reason, and in quanites far too high. The dry chlorine bleach is not as hard on colors and fabric as liquid, but will produce the same work as liquid bleach.
 
You're the early bird

Wow, sudsman, your post is time stamped 4:06 AM. You're an early riser. Is that a requirement of the job or insomnia?
 
Early???

I start the plant and boiler each day by 2 or 2 :30 am. Most hospital laundry plants start at 4 or 6 am. Some at 3 but more at 4 & 6 the most at 6 esp.on a Monday Sometimes a hour later on Saturday I am up working when others are just getting home to bed..
 
Phosphates

Thanks, sudsman (and LaundryNut!). Another question...for what kinds of loads do you use phosphates, and when do you avoid them? What do you think of the practice of adding a couple of tablespoons of STPP as a booster in domestic laundry?
 
Phosphates

& STPP check the searchlator We have beat that to death. If you dont come up with anything let me know I LL explain again.
 
Are there any tips for loading FL's?

With all those huge machines in the laundry plants, are there any rules on how to load articles into the machines? For example: Do you just grab a pile of towels or sheets and throw them into the machine in one big clump? Or do you have a more orderly procedure, say, towels laid out flat and layered? I understand the concept of washing similar articles at a time, like just towels or just sheets, etc. I'm trying to overcome an out-of-balance problem during extractions. My machine isn't sophisticated enough to stop and redistribute prior to high spins. :(
Or is how it is loaded irrelevant to being unbalanced due to the tumbling rearranging everything anyway.
 
Sudsman thanks for the pic's and taking so much time to answer all our questions. alr2903
 
Loading

Loading is done by weight. Each cart is weighed and then loaded into washer. That way the capacity is used but not overloaded. Most of the time towels are damp or wet so a we add 15 lbs/to 100 wt. for wetness it avgs. out just about the right amount of weight. Linen in then loaded by arm loads into the machines. counting would take too long. Turn around time in VERY important to keeping workflow in progress. I have 2 unload, with 2 it takes about 3 min. Loading takes about 3 min. I want the machines stopped for no more than 10 mins at a time. Any downtime is a killer in any laundry.All machines must be kept running as much of the time as possible. On avg. the weight of a sheet (hospital sheet)is 1 lb. so we know if there is 285 lbs going in to washer there is about 285 sheeets in the load Gloves (very thick ones.and rubber aprons are a must for a loader as you dont want to have the linen next to your clean clothes or bare hands. We never know just what we are going to find. Even unloaders must be very careful and watch where they put ones hand as sharps and other items do make it thru the processing. the only good note is that at least one does not have to be concerned about infection control if stuck or cut by a sharp. This is not just a problem on hospital work but on kitchen linens also. Forks knifes and glasswear can cause serious hurts. .On the Flatwork ironer sheets are to be lapped over at least 3" this helps the sheet feed in better as in rides in on the tail of the last sheet . The lap is broken about 1/2 thru the ironer as each roll pulls a little faster and up on exit on the way to folder there is usualy about 1 ft between each sheet.. Folder is actually working on 3 sheets at a time. Measuring the first sheet out of the ironer and primary folding it and making the crossfolds and counting the other 2.
 
Would love to see...

those ironers and folders in action.

So I guess the actual loading, after sorting and weighing, is just a matter of (carefully) tossing a pile into the machine? No particular way of arranging the articles in the wheel?
 
Laundry nut

just happen to have a video of it. Here at the old plant the machines are just about the same.

 
Thanks for the ironer video.

Hard to believe that a machine can do all that. Must be a b##ch if it ever jams. I can see where static could cause problems.

Is there a machine that can do the same thing with fitted sheets?
 
Laundry Nut

We process fitted sheets just as well as Duvets and hard finish blankets(Old time hospital bedspreads) herringbone type.With the same machines. Static is A MAJOR problem if formulas are not run correctly and a good softener is used.Also load must have just the right moisture content (25%) to finish well and keep static down.. In colder months when static is bad we keep 2 steam vaporizers under the folder. Jamming is rare if feeders do the job correctly. Pull the items tight and keeping them straight is the key to good quality work. Other wise jams cause too much downtime. A good flatwork crew works well with each other and the machines.In the video there are 4 on flatwork, 1 shake out 2 feeders and 1 inspector. Machine folders work only as good as the feeders do.. IF work is crooked or not even it cannot measure to make the folds at the proper times and work WILL look awful.Most all folding problems are caused by the feeders. 75% of Ironer problems are also feeder caused.
 
Isn't there some sort of metal detector you can use to check loads before and even after they are loaded and unloaded from the washers?I would think besides being a hazard to personell-the sharps could damage the machines and the items you are washing.Metal detectors are used by sawmills for checking logs for metal-metal items in logs can damage sawblades-as well as causing the blades to break violently and the peices can have the force of a bullet!a bullet in a log can do that.I would hate to imagine what a sharp can do in one of those 285lb washers when it goes to spin!I don't know what sort of detector you would use for glass items.
 
There is no time for metal detector.

The most sharps are so small that they would not be picked up anyway.. A good washman knows what to watch for and good sorting room attendant is priceless. Most damage is not done in extract but in washing with the items falling on the sharps. That is why O R and ER nurses are to keep count of all sharps before during and after surgery. Most have log sheets they must sign off on.. but still some get past. Just a part of it. Actually really get more sharps from Hotel work than hospital work. Razors and blades and glass. and some needles too. Drugs are not limited to hospitals anymore. There is NO limit to what we find in hotel work.. From the expected to the embarssing, it all comes with hotel work. Over the years there is VERY little you can name that I have not found in hotel work, Condoms, sextoys, pills, drugs, glasses, dentures, artifical hands, legs, feet, gloves, eyepatches & covers, every piece of clothing there is, female products, food, cups, saucers, silverware, billfolds,pocketbooks. Guns, kinfes, bullets, I could go on and on..
 
You should write a book

You can name it "Laundry Treasures." Talk about airing dirty laundry. Some of that sounds pretty gross!
 
Sharps, Instruments and

Other OR equipment is not only counted and accounted for in terms of laundry, but for a more important reason, to make sure nothing has been left inside a patient.

Scrub and circulating nurses are held accountable for all sponges, swabs, sharps and all other surgical instruments, and such. Swabs and often other items as well are counted out on a board in the OR, once the operation is over, but before the patient is closed up, a count must be taken of unused, used and discarded items, if the count does not total the doctor must be informed and a "hunt" is commenced. If after the hunt the missing item still cannot be accounted for, a patient is often X-rayed in an other attempt to locate the missing item. Should this fail to produce results, the head nurse (and often supervisor and DON) are informed at once, if they have not been already.
 
Can you imagine

After performing surgery, the surgeon is missing his cell phone. No problem. Just call the cell phone and see if it rings inside the patient.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
 
Holey Moley-sounds like working an industrial laundry is somewhat hazardous for what you find IN the laundry you have to wash.Industrial laundry operators should get hazard pay-sounds like you get as many foreign objects to "wash" as laundry!Maybe you should open some sort of thrift store selling some of the stuff you find-the motel laundry sounds much more dangerous than the hospitals.Guns,ammo, in their laundy?strike a deal with the gunshop for the ones you find.Yes I have heard of surgeons leaving "tools" in patients!maybe the check lists should be refined.At where I work leaving tools in the transmitters is common-some times harmless-but other times-and aroesol cleaner cans can explode from the induced RF.
 
Rex

Guns ammo and knifes are all turned over to PD. they get so much from hotels that they have a dept just for it..The better items billfolds nice (very nice) watches (rolex ect ) nice expensive shoes handbags, diamond rings ect we auction to employees usually for about 1% of the acutal cost.. I use the money then for the Birthday club.. where we buy a cake for each ones birthday.. And they get a % of the money. to keep them turning items in. The finder gets a gold star on the lost and found board. When he gets 10 they get 100.00 . needless to say they make sure they turn in everything they find.If it is a real valueable they get a chance in the drawing pot @ 1000.00 works out well and gives employees some fun too. I bought a rolex watch and gave it to a friend for 50.00 . I will not wear such as I beleive it makes one more prone to be a crime satastic. Esp. in this area where crime runs wild in the streets. I keep items in lock down for 60 days and when no one claims them it is auction time. Very very rarely do any items get claimed. Most are from wealthy who just file insurance claims and get a new one.. A lot are left just for that reason so the can file a claim and get a new item.to replace the one they"lost"
 
Sudsman,

You said you prefer to use powdered products in your plant. Are there automatic injection systems for powdered detergents, bleach, softener, etc.? Or do you have to manually add them to a dispenser on the washer itself for each load? I’ve seen the systems for solid product injection, but never noticed one for powders.

The reason I’m asking is: Powdered chlorine bleach can take your breath away if you get even a small whiff while handling it. Too big of a whiff and it can really ruin your day. What type of procedures to you have in place at your plant for handling materials like powdered chlorine bleach? Aprons, goggles, gloves, respirator, etc.?

It’s sort of a good thing that it has such a strong odor. It lets you know if you’re getting too close.
 
I use both

It depends on the load and soil content. I like to use some dry bleach on the patient gowns as it is not that agressive on the colors and yeilds a good clean load. All commerical machines have dry injectors on them. At one time that is all there was. Different mfgs. do it differently. some have a "dump" cup that dumps the chemical right into the fill water. some have cups that are rinsed out as the machine fills Some have cups that are spray rinsed. I have never had the need to use any speical percautions for dry bleach. Have never had a problem with ones wanting to sniff it. If it is putting off a strong chlorine odor that shows it needs to be stored in a cooler location the bleach is acting. The area where I store all the dry chemicals is a highly vented hi air movement area. Even on the heaviest soil loads only 6oz is all that is needed for a 125/lb load. In the home style machines all we use is 1/2 teaspoon if the load is really bad. Otherwise 1/4 teaspoon does a good job for us.. But I do use STTP when using dry bleach. 4 oz per 100 wt. 1/4 teaspoon in home style machines.
 
Always learning something new

Didn't know about the temperature of the room affecting the amount of chlorine odor. Will keep that in mind. Haven't been "sniffing" any bleach lately -- LOL.

The follow-up question to the dry chem injectors is: How does the chemical get to the cups? Does the machine have storage bins that dispense the proper amount of chemical to the cups? Or, does someone fill the cups before each load?
 
The washman fills all the cups before starting the machine

most can use liquid or dry products Will take a pic of the one on the edro it is for liquid or powders supplies. And is the flush cup type. Humidity will also effect dry bleach it needs to be kept tightly closed.
 
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