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Yes, Sudsmaster there is that, thank you very much. One didn't want to go on and on, and the benefits/properties of STPP have been discussed so much in the group, didn't think a complete reprise was required.

Mr. Boilwash:

Laundry sours aren't by nature supposed to be very strong, as strong acids can damage certian textiles, especially cotton and linen. Acids can also damage certian dyes, which is why many men's dress shirts come with laundering directions for commerical laundries to either omit sour rinses or us a pH buffered solution.

It is possible to use a strong sour by simply adding more product than required. Commercial laundries would use some sort of method to test the pH of the final rinse water, such as pH strips. Home users usually bung in whatever amount of vinegar or lemon juice they think will do the trick.

Whenever possible most if not all detergent/soap residues are supposed to be rinsed out of textiles before the final sour rinse. It is far better for textiles to have the pH level brought down by rinsing (and residues for that matter), than with chemicals. Best case is by the time the sour bath occurs, only a small adjustment of pH is needed, and little residue to deal with.

Sour rinses are usually done at the next to final rinse, especially for textiles to be ironed/pressed. The next rinse after the sour (which can be the starch bath for commercial laundries), flushes away the residues and such from the sour bath.

Soap for laundering diapers:

Actually isn't the best thing, which is why Dreft replaced Ivory Snow for most mothers for cloth diapering.

Pure soaps on their own will not remove goo and poo stains, and the build up of soap residue makes diapers less absorbent (much like fabric softener build up).

Soaps also interfere with flame retardency of infants and children's clothing, again another nail in the coffin of pure soap versions of Ivory Snow.

Still, nothing gets one all broody than the scent of nursery items laundered in the old Ivory Snow.
 
As always, thank you all for the wealth of information! While these are things that have been talked about before, a lot of the time important info tends to slip by, so seeing and reading it again is always a welcome thing.
 
re: seeing and reading this info again

It would be really great to have a simple web page with all this collective wisdom to refer to, including everyone's favorite "home-brew" laundry detergent/soap recipes to try. It would also be a great resource to point "newbies" with questions to, eh?
 
~Then one 1/4 cup of plain white household vinegar into the Fabric Softener dispenser in the middle of the agitator on the 'Tag, and that's it.

Beware. Vinegar eats porcelain. OK with SS and plastic tubs.........
 
Secret to making "soap jelly" which is what this homemade detergent is more or less, is to grate the soap as finely as possible. The increased surface area allows soap to "melt" into a jelly when warm or hot water is added.

If using any of the vintage Fels products that contain naptha,or other solvents better to use warm or hot, but not boiling water.

Also grated soap, especially any of the Fels types that contain solvents are NOT the most healthy thing to inhale. I wear a face mask when grating mine.
 
My recipe

I've been using this one for years. It's a powder, as I find cooking a liquid soap just way too much to do.

1 large (14 oz) bar Zote soap
1 1/2 cups borax
1 1/2 cups washing soda

or to use other soaps:
2 parts grated soap
1 part borax
1 part washing soda

Grate the soap. Grating while the soap is fresh is much easier. Mix in rest of the ingredients. If using a food processor, pulse the resulting mix in batches to obtain a finer powder. If not using a food processor, grate the soap, put into a bag and let sit in a warm place for a couple of weeks. I put it on top of the water heater. Then you can mix the borax and soda in. Do it in a large bowl and rub together with gloved hands. The dry soap will crumble into a powder as you rub it together with the other ingredients.

Laundress, thanks for all the information on sours in a soap wash, and the importance of warm rinses. I have been using the hot cycle on all my whites, but this new machine only offers a cold rinse for the hot cycle. The old Westinghouse let me have a hot wash/warm rinse. So I tried an experiment today. White load, warm wash/warm rinse, 1/4 cup homemade powder, 2 tablespoons Sun Oxy Wash, 2 tablespoons white vinegar in the softener dispenser.

Well, I am impressed with the results. I was able to increase the soap powder by one tablespoon from my usual dose. Cleaned the whites better. And the warm rinse with addition of the vinegar did rinse cleaner. There is less of a scent on the clothes. Thanks again for the great information.

Lisa
 
Interesting topic

Didn't know there was such a difference between STPP and TSP. I knew STPP was exclusively used in detergent formulation.

Also didn't know about the closing down of fibers in the sour rinse either.

Latey, I have been reading all the patents for DASH and WISK and now the newer lo sudsing "HE" detergent formulations. Almost 50 years later all the formulators are still struggling around the lack of Phosphates in their formulations. And to achieve the low sudsing are still using versions of the original DASH formulation with synthetic Surfactants today.
The patents all play it close to the chest because all these detergent companies get their base products from a handful of global chemical manufacturers so they don't really control their product. P&G does some unique research it appears, most others analyze what is already produced to see if with formulations they can gain an edge.

To be sure they are using fancier chemicals than what was available 50 years ago but the base formulations are still the same. Fatty acids neutralized with some kind of metal alkali and then a host of custom builders for suspension or machine protection, determined by what each formulator wants to push to distinguish their product.

Did anyone see the piece on Henkel and how they are trying to get back the lost market share in Asia? It took you through their testing labs and I found out that they feel the hardest stain to remove is Pumpkin Oil!

Now how many of you out there have come into contact with Pumpkin oil and had to wash it out???
 
Read one of the boxes of vintage Calgon water softeners from my stash, which one assumes was made when soap was the main laundry "detergent" since it goes on about making soap work "better" and removing scum.

Anywho, Calgon recommended one add enough product to make the water slippery (their words), which according to the box is about 1 teaspoon per gallon of water (at 6 grains hardness).

Directions also state one was to add Calgon to the wash water (before laundry and soap), and the first rinse water, followed by a plain water rinse.

While the box does not state what sort of phosphates vintage Calgon contained, the powder formula from the 1970's until things started changing contanined STPP and sodium hexaphosphate, both excellent water softeners.
 

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