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rubaducky

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Our washer is dead.

Top Load vs Front Load? Have researched quite a few.....including the SpeedQueen TL and the FL washer/dryer set.

Was leaning toward the SQ FL, but we have a 15 month old, and worried that his little socks, etc. will get caught in the SpeedQueen FL drain pump. Is this a still a concern (small items getting into the drain pump)?

Also open to other suggestions. Money not a motivating factor...just want an awesome washer.

Thanks!
 
I had both the speed queen front load AND the top load version while I had babies in diapers.

With any front loader, you need to use a laundry bag for the little socks etc. top load units don't require bags, but they don't clean as well as the front load.

I know what you are thinking. Speed queen is like $3k for the set, it must be the best out there right? From strictly a reliability standpoint yes. There are better performing units out there.

Before you buy the speed queen, go look at an LG front load with the sidekick washer. My wife constantly washes a bib or 2, to prevent them from staining. That little sidekick washer is perfect for baby clothes.
 
FL is definetly the way to go. In my opinion at least. Better clean, more efficent, more versatile, bigger capacity.

With a young one in the family, I wouldn't even lean towards SQ and trade in the "reliability" (has been discussed on here as well as to why I put that in quotations) for an on board heater and a user-accesible pump trap and go with an LG.

No matter which kind of accident should come up (for example a stained comforter or such), the LG can wash any size of item in temperatures beyond 150°F without changing your water heater setting or having to do extra procedures (with a SQ, to get a real 140°F hot wash, even with the water heater set to 150-160, you often have to first prewarm tub and drum to counter heat losses there).
Big advantage as well is that the pump trap can be checked without any tools. Now good for little socks, later on for any misc items left in pockets. Though socks usually only get caught in the door seel and seldomly make it to the pump on most FLs anyway.

Shop around and see where you might get a good deal.
Most Kenmore FLs are LG made as well and scratch&#92dent isles or returns can be a great bargain as well.
Make sure it has an on board heater (either check the data sheet online or look for a Sanitize cycle).
If you can get one with TurboWash (or AccelaWash on Kenmores), go for it as this allows to wash day to day loads pretty fast (30-40 minutes).
And make sure you see the little square door at the bottom of the front panael. Behind that you find a little hose to completly drain the machine and the pump filter that you can check your self as needed.
 
All I can tell you is that I bought a Kenmore Elite front load washer and dryer made by LG going on 4 years ago. I bought it because I needed something that would wash a king size feather comforter that I had to take to the laundromat. It is so large capacity that it does that quite well and everything else I wash too. I have had no problems with either it or the dryer since I have had them. I use them constantly, since I have an invalid, incontinent mother who lives here too. I have never had any small items get into the pump and it has a trap that is just for that and prevents anything like that from happening. I can't imagine that speed queen would not have something like that too, but apparently they don't. Anyway, I have been very pleased with this set and thing you would be also. It can wash it the hottest of water. rinse up to 3 extra times and spin the clothes out nearly dry, which cuts down on drying time. It does take longer than a traditional top loader, depending on what options you choose to use, but it does a much larger load too. I am skeptical of speed queen because of the things owners have told about their machines they have had.
 
As an owner of SQ TL, I've not have any problems at all. I think it will have a long life span, warranties are the best in the business, and more importantly to me is the incredibly quick cycle times.
Best of luck to you in making a good decision for your growing family. Cheers!
 
Socks are easy to deal with

Just buy a couple of delicate bags, or bra bags at Walmart.  Put your socks in those to wash.  Take them out before going into the dryer.  Less lost socks, reduces the chance of them migrating to the pump.

 

One thing, don't over stuff the bags.  If you have quite a few split them amongst a couple bags.  It also helps the machine in balancing for the spin.

 

 
I highly recommend LG either top OR front loaders. If you go to Costco,you may get a bundle where they match a set and add another year of warrant. Two years parts and labor. I have had great success with mine and the children may safely watch and or touch them because of the child safe locking doors and control panels. I prefer front loaders. They spin faster then top loaders and hold more per square foot. Turbo wash is my favorite type. They have a recirculating spray using three different nozzles built in to the mechanism. This guaranties a true uniform washing and rinsing. Quiet, efficient,economical and dependable.I recommend that you read what Consumer Reports has published including frequency of repair. LG has had the lead in this for years now. Fewest repairs then any other brands. Washers AND dryers.
 
BTW
Some models have a drum light you may turn on during any part if the cycle. The option buttons have drum light written so you may see inside for up to three minutes. Then, it turns itself off but may easily be turned back on. Lots of fun to watch.
 
Thanks for all the replies, but now I'm really confused! LOL. Guess I'm looking at SQ FL, SQ TL, or LG FL. So many options. Guess either one will beat this (or maybe not).

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Coming from a family of 7, choosing a washer without a heater wouldn't be wise IMO.

Main concerns for me would be the ability to wash a large load really clean, and rinse even better. TL can't offer either. No heater means no truly hot wash, as previous replies mentioned.

A Sanitary (or equivalent) cycle with a bit of oxygen bleach and good quality, alkaline powder detergent will work wonders; also limiting the need for LCB and harsher chemicals that may not be compatible with baby's skin.

Considering your last post, as much as I despise the brand, I'd go with the LG.

Also, Elux released a new washer which looks very promising, and you can choose a high temp or a profile wash on many cycles. I didn't get it due to lack of a truly delicate cycle - but unless you want to wash silks and woolens with no user's attention, it would be a nice machine to add to your list.
 
From one father to another.....

999 gets you the TOL SQ top loader. I have 3 kids we washed for a family of 5 in a top loader. 35 minute wash keeps the kids dirty laundry moving fast. Longest warranty 5 years, according to Consumer Reports the best repair record for all washers. Just released. Built in AMERICA. An excellent choice. Mine is now 8 years old. No repairs. Google user reviews for any SQ washer and see for yourself.
Mike
 
No heater

Isn't truly a deal breaker. One must take other considerations into account.

Many commercial laundries in USA do not use heated H-axis washers. Then again some do, it depends upon what sort of washing is mainly done, and how often uber high temps that also must be maintained are required.

Just as with early dishwashers that didn't heat water, a washing machine can give excellent results if there are frequent changes of water, and or the cycles aren't very long.

Yes, after warm or cold flush/pre-wash incoming hot water at say 160F for initial wash will be cooled. But if that cycle only lasts say ten minutes, water dumped, then another fill with again 160F (or above) water, things will cool less as laundry has already been warmed.

Here is an old wash formula for linens, think hospital IIRC.

1) Five-minute cold rinse; (2) 10-minute soak in hot suds; (3) 10-minute soak in hot suds; (4) 10-minute soak in hot suds, with bleach; (5) five hot rinses with live steam; (6) six cold rinses, and a germicide solution is used in the third cold rinse; (7) water is extracted

Think many front loaders for domestic use don't bother with heaters out of the assumption Americans love using chlorine bleach. Unlike oxygen bleaches, chlorine is less dependent upon high tempearatures to give best results.

Properly dosed chlorine bleach will whiten, remove stains, and sanitize washing even in cold water at in < five minutes contact time. Five or six minutes is working with cool or cold water. In hot or high temperatures time required is much shorter. This is one reason why commercial laundries use a separate short cycle after washing for bleaching with chlorine based products.

In fact longer periods aren't effective and may contribute to textile damage. Any stain or whitening not achieved in about five minutes with chlorine bleach isn't going to happen at all.
 
I would say the "small socks in the drain pump" is a strange thing that people say.

For clothes that small you will need to put them in a mesh bag no matter what washer you get. Just ask here and you will get a bunch of stories about people who had to call service for their toploaders because small items (including women panties) ended up between the washer basket and outer drum and then the drain pump. Who knows when that happened, if it's because the machine was overloaded and things were forced past the clothes guard, of if people were not paying attention while loading/unloading the machines and garments got past the clothes guard or something else entirely.

All I'm saying is it can happen with any washer.

As for the Electrolux new washers, I am also curious about why the "Delicates" cycle on the new Electrolux washers are not adequate for silk or wool garments?

For a family with kids, particularly babies, I'd think the biggest problem would be the lack of a true pre-wash that uses one dose of detergent, empties (and hopefully spins) the wash liquor out, then refills with fresh water and a new dose of detergent -- the "pre-wash" compartment on that series is basically just to hold a dose of pretreating products that gets dispensed at the start of the cycle along with the detergent, then a profile wash with a "stain treat" cycle happens.

For a lot of the cases, one can make use of the "quick 15 minute wash" for a pre-wash, in fact it can work better than traditional automatic prewash because it will drain the solution, spin the clothes and rinse them and spin again. But one must come back to the machine and reload the dispensers and restart for a normal cycle. Also, if you use the quick wash, the wash part of the pre-washing would be 5 minutes or less, as opposed to the 10-15 minute usual with other washers.

In any case, at first glance, the Electrolux 617 washer and dryer set seem like a pretty competent choice at a very decent price, but I'm just on my first couple of months with my set and haven't yet put it thru all the paces (for example, I haven't run the delicate cycle yet). You get a regular/normal cycle that is geared more towards saving time/energy (45 minute cycle), cleans well, could rinse better (still much better than most top loading washers), then increasingly more elaborate cycles that use more water, energy and time (up to some 130 minutes) that clean and rinse very well. What I like about this set is that the machines do not appear to waste time on things like balancing the load for 30 minutes -- it decides pretty quickly if it's balanced and spins up or tries again so the cycles are *very* close to the initial estimate, as opposed to some famous machines that claim "60 minutes" and aren't done before one hour and half or two hours.
 
I would NEVER buy any washer/dryer for the price SQ lists their machines. They may be made here but the parts used are made mostly in China. They have gears to wear out,belts that break and agitators that tear up fabrics. Their fls are o.k. but way overpriced. Even with five years covering them,there are some folks here who have had some problems and are not at all pleased with the product. I remember when they first came available back in the late eighties. There were so many problems that they had a recall and were no longer available. LG had some too with their top loaders and imediately fixed that. I bought three sets back in 2012 for my cousins and their parents. One top loader and two front loaders ( one with the riser drawers, one without). My cousins have lots of kids and wash larger loads daily. All three sets are still in use with no repairs in great condition and highly pleased owners. I got the fls in ss. One set was $1900. The other was $1650. For $99 extra, I bought the four year service plan giving them a full 5 year parts and labor coverage. So far, no issues and because of word of mouth and seeing them in full operation,nearby neighbors of theirs jumped in and bought the same ones. One of whom had a three year old SQ. that they hated because it wasn't big enough to hold their king size comforters. My cousin, Nanann,had them bring it over to wash in her LG FL and they were totally surprised at how easily it fit and how clean and fresh smelling the comforter came out. I hope you find a great set whatever one you choose.
 
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