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John & Malcomb, I'm curious, what detergents do you use? (I cant use anything with optical brighteners, makes me break out.)

Martin, thank you so much for the suggestion on the sink strainers, I did not think of that. Next time I go into town, I'll check Lowes and see what I can find. Excellent suggestion. I AM going to rig something up.

Bob, I NEVER had damage to clothing like what I discovered on my shirts and towels, with previous washers, even with the T/L Kenmore. Had to buy new towels and shirts. One damaged shirt was one of my favorites and, boy, did I hit the roof! I can certainly understand your distain for top loaders now. Also noticed when I washed 4-5 pairs of jeans I started getting sever fraying on the bottoms of the pant leg along the seams, so 3 pairs max now. I've worked hard for what I have so when I discovered the damage I was / am disillusioned to say the least.

Barry
 
One main thing, i cannot stress it enough, even more important than using hot water good detergent etc is LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN between uses!!!!! I've had my lg front loader for almost 5 years now and still smells brand new! Even if i pull the door boot back and look bethween the "crevis" there is nothing its perfectly clean, i use fabric softener, tide and persil plus on my whites and musty towels etc i always use the sanitize cycle which is nsf certified.
 
I washed a shower curtain and the lining that goes with it last night. The machine ripped the lining pretty good. My conscience said put it on gentle but no...didnt think that would happen.

This has been discussed in the past but the tub in my Speed Queen has what feels like threads on the lower walls of the wash basket. Noticed it when I first got it. Nothing sharp but it feels like screw threads almost.

How that escaped QC I have no idea.
 
Barry

In the two front loaders that I owned, and apparently used poor washing habits with, Tide was the detergent used, in one variation or another.

I'm not going to waste time explaining for the umpteenth time that I cleaned the damn things religiously, always left the doors open, removed the detergent drawers and washed them separately in the dishwasher, etc. I washed hot for at least 75% of the time with 140F water. I know that the assertion that I was in any way deficient in my care of the machines is bullsh*t.

However, another question should arise, if somehow my following all the recommendations still didn't stop mold and mildew. And, of course, it applies to many, many thousands of other owners, if not millions. At what point is it no longer fashionable to constantly blame us, the owners, and instead start looking at the design of the product instead?

You know, we lived through Suzuki Samurai SUV's rolling over, and of course that was due to operator error. We lived through Ford Pinto car fires when the cars were rear-ended, of course that being operator error. We lived through Ford Econoline vans killing so many people because they couldn't handle full passenger loads on their rear tires; these were operator problems when the drivers swerved suddenly. I could go on and on with various products that, regardless of cause, proved less than satisfactory when in the hands of the public.

At some point, sniping at the operators of these moldy machines is not going to be satisfactory. At some point, the manufacturers will have to address this problem, perhaps with a new paradigm. After all, we, the public, are the ones spending the money!
 
Johnrk,
I believe you, have no doubt. I've never owned a front load, and the only experience I have with them was at a commercial laundrymat, and that hardly qualifies for anything. Hopefully the makers of any malfunctioning machines, albeit cars / appliances / electronics will learn of the shortcomings of their designs and get that corrected in short order. Whirlpool and Maytag learned the hard way on what a class action lawsuit can bring.

I have carefully, and thoughtfully, outlined my experiences with the current SQ. I am only speaking for myself and what I've observed. I think the linting problems are a shredding of the fabrics. The new towels that I bought a few months ago are all ready getting noticeably thinner and same with t-shirts, and I'm not overloading the machine, and being careful to set a short wash time. It's a problem.
 
mrsalvo-

I'm beginning to notice it with my towels, also. Am thinking of just switching to the slower speed, but then I'm not going back to my utility room with every load to switch to a faster spin speed. I'm making damn sure that I'm keeping plenty of water with my loads, which isn't a problem because I've only had two really full loads by most peoples' standards in the last 6 weeks.

You know what else this whole mold thing vs. operators reminds me of? Back 35 years or so ago, Corning introduced their Visions line of pots and pans. If you remember them, they were beautiful one piece designs in smoky quartz color tinted glass. I ran out and bought every one of them, got rid of my old Revere Ware that had served so well throughout college.

I learned very, very quickly that the Visions cookware had a serious problem: everything stuck to it! You could open a can or corn or peas, put them in water on the stove and they'd stick to the pot. Heaven help you if you wanted to cook an egg or bacon or hamburger; even with Pam they'd weld themselves to the waffle-bottom skillets. Corning finally acknowledged after so many unhappy customers that there was a problem, and they reintroduced Visions in raspberry with some type of nonstick finish. By then, I was like thousands of others--I gave it all to Goodwill and started over.

I'd have happily paid $2K or more for an NOS GE Filter-Flo like the TOL model I bought in 1986--any color. It never let me down, but then neither did the set before or after that one. It just worked, washed my clothing well, and gave me no grief. It was my hope that this new SQ TL was going to be the same. I'm already finding out that, as they recommend, I have to wipe out the top of the stainless steel tub or it accumulates detergent and water chemicals in a ring.
 
There could be many variables that lead to mold in front loaders.
On top of user error, never letting the machine dry out, or using incorrect amounts of detergents/softeners, there could also be other chemical factors.

My home water is very alkaline, with a pH of 8.5 or more!
That contributes to my glasses etching with my soft water.
However my front loader is sparkling.
There's also factors such as temperature and humidity of the laundry room.
Then there's also the factor of different people, and different soils that get introduced to the machine.

All these factors can commingle and cause situations where some machines will never mold, or others will always mold, wether it's a front loader of X or Y brand, or even some top loaders!
 
like it or not, there has to be something leading to this mold/mildew issue...and why some get it, and others don't....

of course there are variables to consider....water, temps, cycles, chemicals, etc...

for me, this goes way back into the 80's when I had a Frigidaire Tall Tumbler, there was not dispenser drawer, and never gave it a thought, once unloaded, shut and latched the door, out of sight out of mind....never an issue.....

I have acquired countless FL machines reeking with filth, mold, mildew....once you clean the heavy stuff with a major chlorine flush, anything that was left, went away on its own during future washings....

all I can say, is I know what has cured the machines, and what prevents it in the first place.....at the end of my wash day, I shut the door and walk away....I don't leave doors or dispensers open, I don't wipe anything down, no special cleaners, in fact my machines don't offer a 'clean washer' cycle....its just a gimmick in my mind....

I do polish the exterior once in a while with car wax.....

you may have to discover your own method.....
 
Yogitunes

You owned one of my dream machines: an eighties Tall Tumbler! What color was yours? Did you like it? How did it compare for you with contemporary top loaders? I know they were supposed to be trouble-prone, but I still think they're ultra-cool.
 
Been washing with SQ top loaders for three decades. Don't know anything about excessive linting or foul odor issues. Occasionally something might come out of the dryer with some fluff stuck to it - I've got a lint roller for that. The worst that's ever happened was a burst cold water inlet hose. The outside gets wiped down with a damp cloth ever so often. Once a year I open the front panel and clean out dust and whatever else might find its way in there; and to check that everything is in good working order.

These are no-fuss machines that don't need a lot of fussing over.
 
I got the TallTumbler aka 'Space Mates' for my partner, at the time he only had a GE filterflo in a bathroom closet....a full size all-in-one stack was too tall, but separate units were easier to install....they were floor model clearance from Sears, and still cheaper than a 24" stacked portable set....the flat back allowed for close to wall install as well....

they were white, which I think was the only color available from Sears....and maybe Almond...this was considered part of their Specialty line up....

with a well, septic, and an electric water heater, the best option you could choose at the time.....not to mention, full size capacity...this home machine was best for blankets and throw rugs...

I thought the Weigh-to-Save door was unique.....but in reality, you could leave it on low water level for every load, as it really was self adjusting to the amount of clothes.....no dispensers which was a bummer, but all you needed was a shot glass of Tide for every load....

the drop down door was better to load/unload versus these side swing doors....

the only issue was if it hit a major out of balance during spin, one rear corner snubber would jump out of place....I installed a piece of angle iron across the top, which didn't let the unit jump too high and out of place....other than that, it ran flawless for 10 years until he sold the house and left them behind.....

quiet during wash, but you knew when it went into drain or spin, at the SNAP of those solenoids...

the matching dryer had the 'Cross Vane' tumbling...probably one of the best at not rolling sheets and blankets into a ball....

for his next house I got him the Neptunes.....

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Fraying is a sign of abrasion

While H-axis washers are in theory a more gentle method of washing than say washers with central beaters; things do happen.

Have towels that have begun to fray along edges that have been washed in nothing but front loaders (the Miele and lately Lavamat),but we're talking about bath linens that are nearly twenty years old and seen frequent long hot water washes.

Assuming there aren't any defects in tub or boot, usual culprit is laundry that is rubbing against glass porthole, and or along inside boot/door. This can be anything from over loading to poor design.

For certain fabrics/loads it may be wise to slightly under load washer to give things more room to move about. This should help reduce friction and wear.

Other issue is thanks to ever increasing energy standards there is less water even in h-axis washing machines to do the job. This has lead to reports in some sectors of increased wear on washing, but manufactures and or federal government seem to think otherwise.
 
Agitator and tub

Does the agitator and tub move back and forth Together? I wish they made the lid out of glass so we can see it work
 
Another Jersey guy! What's up? To answer your question, yes the agitator is bolted to the tub and move as one unit. I guess we will we see in the new year or when and if Speed Queen does promo videos of this new machine. Between the new Maytag and Speed Queen it is going to be an interesting new year.
 

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