New: Bosch 4D Vortex wash System, 10 KG, 1600 Spin Washing Machine

[glenfieldmathk1]

Hi all,
I thought the time is right to reveal my Brand New washing machine!
After 7 years of my old Hotpoint, I have finally got round to upgrading, and I have chosen a Top of the Range 10KG, 1600 Spin Bosch washing Machine.
Here in the UK its called Serie | 8 (but its actually the Home professional range in other markets).
So far I've used a few cycles, and it seems really great! There's the rather cool 4D jet with Vortex style wash, and distributions throughout.
The 10 KG drum is massive. I haven't even been able to fill it to even half yet!!!
The machine holds the Final spin at 1600 for 5 Minutes too, washing is so much drier than inside the old Hotpoint. And despite this one having the faster 1600 spin speed. The noise is significantly reduced compared to the old Hotpoint (which was a supposed "Super silent" wash).

I have attached some pictures below of the new machine and also some videos of it! I'd appreciate you all taking a little look, and of course subscribing to my youtube channel! There are videos of the 4D which spends different times on in different cycles! (The 4D doesn't seem to come on if washing of 70C or above).
I've also made a video showing the ASR menu. There currently wasn't a video on youtube of this, set to each programme. So now, Finally you can all see the duration of each stain selection accross each selected programme!

The Hotpoint has been sold, so there is also some pictures of it being cleaned and removed!

Thanks all for reading, and I look forward to reading your comments!

Vids (details in the descriptions of the videos on youtube!):
Unboxing, Installation and Drum Cleaning:
Programme overview & Main menu:
Stains Overview:
4D Wash Rhythm (mini clip):

(more videos further down forum)

Pictures:

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Extra Videos

Mixed Load 60C Cycle:
New cycle. Previously they only allowed upto 40C on the Mixed load!
Includes a little vortex phase, and short 1600 Final Spin!

Part 1:


Part 2:


Part 3:


Mini clip: Mixed Load Speed Perfect: 45 Minute quick wash, with a short 1600 Final Spin, and jet washing throughout!

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Videos:

Cottons cycles:

Cottons 60 Cycle with Chocolate stain selected.
This includes the main part of the 1600 spin cycle (which holds at 1600 for 5 minutes! Achieving brilliant spin dry results!).


Towels cycle set to 70C:
(at 70C and above it doesn't do the Vortex) The Towels programme has a special extended fluffing spin, which helps draw up the water from the towels, bringing it to the surface! very clever!


Super 15':
Very short express programme, for washing mini loads of cottons quickly (still does a vortex! Taking only 15 minutes). New: now allows Extra rinse of upto 3 extra!


More videos on Youtube!
Mat,
Glenfieldmathk1

 

[logixx]

For months I have been searching for these... and this week three of them have suddenly popped up on YouTube channels. Thanks for sharing (though I'll have to watch them later).

 

[henene4]

If they would give me a reversing dryer I would be finally really considering these.

Wouldn't go iDos though, ActiveOxygen and Siemens would be more my style.

Nice to see them adding a weight based load sensing system ontop of their absorbency based system plus a recirculation (and verry Well amed and verry quiet one at that) all at once.

Do you know by any chance how much the time Drops when the Cotton cycle senses down?

 

[chachp]

Reversing Dryer

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">In 2002 I bought a Bosch Axxis set.  It had a reversing dryer which I really liked but the damn thing was noisy.  It was in a utility room off the kitchen and you could hear it in the family room.</span>

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Hi Guys, Thanks for your comments.
The lack of reversing dryer is sort of making me hold off buying the matching dryer (for now at least!.. The matching dryer having the new Complete self clean).
As mentioned above, the old Bosch did reverse, so i really cant see why these new ones can't.

The washer itself is great, and no this isn't an iDos one! The UK is due to get a TOL with iDos soon, but its been delayed by the Pandemic. Its a shame we don't get the Active oxygen here or I would of chosen it! TBH.. I prefer the one without iDos, as I use powder more anyway, and I don't really see the point in the Auto cycles (which apparently aren't great). Mines got Towels instead which would get more use by us than an Auto / Soft for example!

Thanks Logixx, Its nice to see you're still here, I haven't really been on here in ages! Yes i too noticed quite a few of these have all started to appear on youtube! Before there was none, only the previous ranges. I guess now people are uploading them, we might see more collectors go for them, as the jet itself is pretty impressive for a Bosch! Still got the classic door fill jet too!

Thanks Henene as well, Some good points you raise. The load sensor as you add the laundry does adjust the estimated time! During the wash the timer regularly updates, not just after 10 minutes.. The Load of whites I washed in the video above on cottons was a whole hour shorter than the original estimate. It dropped off 20 minutes during load adjust. It dropped off some more time mid way through the wash, and then it deleted a rinse cycle, as they still have Aqua Sensor (although no longer appears on the display). The other thing I've noticed on cottons, if the load is only half full the final spin gets upto 1600 quicker and holds there for 5 minutes. With a bigger load, the final spin is longer, and each stage before 1600 is held longer - with 1600 being reached and still held for 5 minutes! Speed perfect now also seems to do the full cottons final spin rather than a short one!

 

[henene4]

That's really great to hear

Now I want one.

The older machines were kind of meh always in my opinion. Load sensing didn't drop time much.
And redults were good, but nothing special.

 

[logixx]

Off topic

I just realized that YouTube automatically puts the chapters /timestamps you put in the description in the video's timeline as well.

 

[rolls_rapide]

It has a sealed tub...!

Bosch lists it as Item: 0308 - 'Oscillating System Complete'.

Scroll through the exploded diagrams to '5/5'.

https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/suppor...spareparts/Togglebox=tb0308/Togglebox=tb0442/

 

[appnut]

Mat, thank you for all the videos.  I've just looked at the first 2 or 3.  I still get so darn jealous of all the flexibility and command of specific temperatures rather than word descriptions with no real idea of what cool, warm, hot and extra hot mean on our front loaders here.  Love the intense recirculating spray.  The Whirlpool/Maytag are quite anemic in comparison and even the LG Turbowash spray during wash & rinse. I look forward to viewing all the videos over the next day or two.    Sad to know in reality, most Americans wouldn't know how to deal with such choices and being able to be ore specific in temperatures and spin speeds.  But I wonder if bosch will present an Americanized version of these some day.  

 

[gelaundry4ever]

cottons

What is the default setting for the cottons cycle? I'd like to see how it would perform with the jets active. I'm sure this washer would give lg a run for their money on the comparable cotton/normal cycle.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Thanks Logixx.. Yes New Youtube feature that I tried out! I know most people skip through videos, so this allows people to fast forward, yet still catch the stages they want to see!!

Rolls_Rapide.. I believe pretty much everything on the market these days except for Miele and Ebac have sealed tubs. Its the "norm" now unfortunately! Its got a 2 year warranty. We will extend this with their service plan afterwards, so nothing to worry about there. I'm sure with Siemens versions having 5 year Warranty.. its got to be OK! Of course, its a little annoying.

Thanks Appnut.. Yes so far the Jet is great. I added a new video to Youtube showing the Towels programme set to 60C - which also uses the jet too (my video above its on 70C so doesn't use the jet!). I've seen the LG's too, was considering one tbh.. they have 4 jets. But as far as I am aware they don't do the vortex spin with jet on like this Bosch does!

GELaundry4Ever.. I sent you a reply on Youtube!
The cottons wash takes between 2hr30 and 3hr45 depending on load size, and settings (and upto 5hr45 with some stains!) - A video premieres later today on Youtube of the cottons wash including jet action!

Thanks everyone so far for your great comments

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Towels Programme with jet

60C jet action on the Towels cycle. (about 3/4 full of towels)
Uses plenty of water! The jet really helps give such splash! Very Deep cooldown level.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Sealed tubs...

That's the whole point... the German ones, i.e. your model, have a sealed tub. Your's will have been one of the most expensive models.

Don't get me wrong, I hope your machine lasts a long time with no hassles, but I just wish manufacturers 'would come clean' and be a bit more forthcoming with information and repairability in the first place.

My mum has one of the recent Polish built ones, at half the price, (I think it is a Series 4, with the all-metal drum... 1400rpm) the metal lifter paddles are an inherent part of the drum, not detachable plastic ones.

The tub in that one is splittable, with front half, rear half (with bearings in situ), drum with attached spider/shaft, tub seal and screws, and shaft seal all available.

Diagram 3/5.

https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/suppor...101/Tabs=section-spareparts/Togglebox=tb0315/

 

[gelaundry4ever]

cycle preset

Does this machine have a cycle preset? On my lg and Kenmore elite, I use the normal cycle. it defaults to warm, high speed spin, and normal level of soil with accelawash/turbowash.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Cycle preset

When you turn the machine on it sets to Cotton (Normal) at 40C, 1600spin, no options.

Each programme you select automatically chooses a default temperature and spin speed, You can still adjust the programme further (a few examples are shown below):
Cottons 40, 1600 (Max 90, Max 1600)
Eco 40, 1600 (Max 90, Max 1600)
Easy Care 40, 1200 (Max 60, Max 1200)
Mixed 40, 1400 (Max 60, Max 1600)
Delicates, silk 30, 800 (Max 40, Max 800)
Towels 60, 1200 (Max 90, Max 1600)
Duvet 40, 1000 (Max 60, Max 1200)
Allergy + 60, 1600 (Max 60, Max 1600)
Shirts 40, 800 (Max 60, Max 800 - or - Max 400 with Easy Iron option)
etc.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

thanks for the cycle info

Thanks for the cycle info. I'd love to see how the default cottons cycle performs. Do the jets come on automatically, or can you add that option?

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Default Cottons

I've just uploaded these videos showing the cottons with a bigger load.

Load detection:


Main Wash:


I've also added many other videos, see my Youtube Channel for those:

https://www.youtube.com/user/glenfieldmathk1

 

[lavamat_jon]

Glad you’re enjoying your new Bosch, Matt. We’ve had the Siemens version since early February and are really liking ours too. The Mixed Fabrics cycle is the most used here - 40 deg wash and 1600 spin in 45 mins, or 60 deg and 1600 spin in an hour. The spinning results are fantastic - best I’ve ever used, and it also rinses very well on the default setting.

The jet action is really great, very thorough and the spin washing is fun to watch.

I’m not keen on the powerSpeed cycle myself - it’s quite poorly programmed and I find the cycle quite redundant as the Mixed Fabrics programme washes the same load in a similar time, but you can spin at max speed and go hotter on the temperature. One downside with powerSpeed is that it also doesn’t spin between the rinses, whereas Mixed will.

I have posted some full cycle videos on my YouTube - there’s plenty uploaded and scheduled for the next while too so keep your eye out .

All the best

Jon

 

[gelaundry4ever]

options

What options are available for each cycle?

 

[gelaundry4ever]

cottons/intensive

How does it do with cottons/intensive?

 

[logixx]

Options

Can be found in the user manual

https://media3.bosch-home.com/Documents/9001429424_D.pdf

 

[appnut]

A question.  Why is a load of towels, using that programme, limited to only 4 kg, why cannot you be able to fill the drum to whereby you place a fist a the top of the load and that is full?  Some of my towels probably weigh 1 kg each.  

 

[rolls_rapide]

Towels, 4kg load

Probably because of the absorbency of the heavier material, chances of out-of-balance load, and the suds factor too.

You would be able to wash towels in the 10kg load, provided you had other items in there too, such as cotton t-shirts, sheets, etc.

Other machines of the past recommended similar, including to mix towels with other articles.

Hoover said in their 'New Wave' instructions: "Maximum wash load: 4.5kg (10lb) **". The footnote said: "** Reduce the load to 2.5kg (5.5lb) for highly absorbent materials, such as towels and nappies."

 

[launderess]

Modern load sensing European front loaders

For certain programs no longer recommend loading to full capacity as in drum volume minus that formed fist.

This and you'd be surprised what these machines consider 100% rated load.

Filing drum barely three-quarters with AEG Lavamt of mixed load will read "100%".

Loading drum full as with older Miele W1070 (to top minus that fist) will have machine reading 110% or 120% meaning it is over loaded.

Terry cloth items of course are very absorbent. The more "thick and thirsty" or large in size, the greater amount of water they hold. In terms of a washing machine you have to consider weight of items when fully wet, and of course how to handle extraction of all that water.

When doing very absorbent loads in AEG (towel, a blanket, etc....) machine will often have to stop or greatly slow down spinning to allow pump to catch up. It just sits there with pump pulse cycling on and off until sump is clear. If this water is also full of froth that just adds to machine's work.

Finally of course they just don't built them like they used to. Ten kilograms of dry toweling/absorbent items is easily weighs twice or more when fully wet, that can put strain on certain parts I shouldn't wonder if they aren't built to last.

 

[henene4]

Also keep in mind that toweling isn't terribly dense.

They are often labeled as 500g/m², meaning a 200cm*100cm towel (that's Just shy of 80" by 40") is about 1kg or Just about 2lbs.

My usual towel load consists of 2 such towels and 4 half that length in either Side plus 4 somewhat denser bathmats made of cotton and that Just about fills the drum of my 68l washers, so Just 2l smaller than that 10kg washers.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

@gelaundry4ever Yes, Logixx posted the link to the manual.
There are plenty of options / programmes, of which all are listed in the manual, and also shown in my video overview above!
The AntiStain allows a selection of 16 stains, all of which change the wash cycle accordingly (more intensive wash, more heat, or heat maintaining and add a soak etc).
There are features to add upto 3 extra rinses, extra water (although on some programmes the difference in extra water is only little!), silent washing, Rinsholding, short wash (speedPerfect), IntensivePlus (extended wash time), pre-wash etc.
The options are so flexible its really great !

As for the Towels wash, as long as towels are dry before loading - I have filled it upto 4KG (according to the loading bar on the display which appears when the door is open): 4 Large Bath Sheets (Quality Egyptian cotton ones), 3 Hand Towels, 5 Tea Towels, 4 Flannels and 2 standard size bath towels. Generally towels get very heavy when wet, so I'd imagine that's the case of not being able to load more to that cycle. The Towels cycle also uses a rather long final spin with fluffing technique so I guess Bosch want to ensure there's enough space in the drum to do this effectively!
I decided to use Rinse Hold when washing Towels, I then select the separate 1600 spin when I'm in a hurry to finish towels, as the separate final spin holds at 1600 for 5 minutes, yet takes half the time of the towels final spin sequence! (always great when you find little tricks hidden within the machine!).

Thanks Jon for your nice comment! Your Siemens is a great machine too - very similar indeed! I'm still experimenting with different cycles! But I'm with you in the Cottons Speed wash, and Mixed load cycles are very good! Also quite liking Mixed Load with IntensivePlus option (Which I think now is more like your PowerSpeed 59' programme but with Intermediate spins). Was also quite impressed with the 30 minute wash (For refreshing)! Plenty of jet action (a much better cycle than my old Hotpoints short 30 minute wash)!

 

[sudsmaster]

Well, I guess I won't be trying to squeeze five bath sheets into the W1918. It has no load sensing, but my common sense tells me that if four bath sheets was about all I could reasonably fit in there, then five bath sheets would be too much sheet.

 

 

[appnut]

Thank you for the explanation.  I have to admit, I do go buy volume of what's filling up the drum with towels.  I have 2 sets of larger than usual towels I bought at Target several years ago.  They were "guest towel" status for a long time and weren't used much.  The bath towels aren't "bath sheet" size, but are the biggest towels I have snd they are quite thick.  There are a total of 8 towels, wash cloths, and some hand towels that comprise this load.  The other 6 towel sets are anywhere from 1982 to 1988 purchase dates.  So they've lost a lot of their bulk/thickness over time, but till dry nicely.  I don't quit using towels until holes appear and they last a lot longer with the front loader than with the Lady Shredmore.  The load has just enough of the fist at the top of the load.  And truth be told, the load balances better this full vs. 3/4 full.  And all my loads try to pretty much consist of like items in style and weight (as per a Sears repairman from early 1960s).  I don't do loads of mixed various weights and types.  i.e. shirts & pans or underwear and sheets.