New Bosch Logixx 8 Machines for Europe

[babyboy]

Cycles

Here's the (special) cycle chart for the non-Exclusive models. The "Exclusive" models additionally feature the AquaSensor to scan the rinse water for detergent residue and only use 67 liters [17.7 gallons], instead of 80 [in the exact same cycle(s)].

Alex

 

[lavamat_jon]

Alex - thanks for posting the chart, any idea on light soil Cotton cycle times?

I'm liking these new Bosch models more and more. On paper at least they look a damn whole lot better than the previous Maxx series.

I think the Cottons Eco cycle will be one that I would never use .

Jon

 

[babyboy]

Well Jon...

By posting those eBay pics above, you could’ve almost answered the question yourself.

In the first picture you see the dial being set to the Cottons cycle (first cycle on the right) and in the second picture the display reads “fertig in: 1:36”, which means in English “done in 1:36”. So I guess that’s the regular cycle time. I might head out to the stores next week – but I doubt they’ll have a model to “play” with – I’ll see.

BTW – the above-pictured model is one of the Exclusive ones. The regular series doesn’t have the “My Cycle” settings “Mein Programm 1 & 2” – instead they have “Curtains” and “Darks/Jeans”.

Alex

 

[mickeyd]

Thanks, Jon

The chrome in pic -03 is so bright with the interior light that it looks like a mirror--so cool

 

[mattb36469]

Humm Jon are you aware the companys exchange development information all the time? I can bet you the milie has had some influence from hotpoint, bosch ect.

Just a note been reading and all I see on your posts is "My Milie" and about cheap washers being crap.

Not all of them are, you can get some damn good cheap washers that last.

When you buy a milie your buying a brand image thats it. It dont neccisarrily make it the best.

My grandmother had one and it used to not finish cycles and rip holes in her clothes.

Milie mechanics told her that it was working fine, I dont call holes in your clothes working fine. Anyhow she got rid of it with milies poor customer service and not wanting to fix it.

 

[dascot]

You can get cheap machines that will last, but equally you can get ones that will fail within a couple of weeks. It's a matter of luck.

Saying that, it's the same no matter how much you spend - you can get a Miele lemon too, but it's less likely than a, say, Servis or Ariston lemon because they are producing at a slightly lower volume and with more stringent quality control.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Well all I can say, Matt, is that in my general experience the best modern day machines do indeed seem to be Miele, and I personally think that they are the best. They certainly are more than brand image, and are of far higher quality than most other brands. I personally don't care about the name badge on the appliance, it's what's inside and it's reliability that counts. And I'm sorry to say but as much as I try to like cheap machines their low quality just screams right out. Name me a damn good cheap washer that'll last. The answer will be that most modern day machines won't. I've worked in the appliance field and have seen loads of Indesits, Hotpoints, even some cheaper Zanussi machines that see a death in less then 2 or 3 years. Miele, as well as Bosch and the more decent end of Electrolux machines seem to be the only machines that will last nowadays. That said, you do see cheaper machines that do last, but they tend to only be used by couples or old lady's living on their own... go figure.

Anyway, it's interesting to see that you've just signed up on this website without a welcome first to everyone else, to directly jump in and have a go at me.

Jon

 

[2-drumsallergy]

Overrated and overpriced appliances

My sister Grace has just replaced her fourteen month old Miele W2652WPS which cost her £700; the machine would not get stains out of baby clothes, this was a real problem as she has two boys under 18 months. I only discovered her problems about a month ago when she asked me if she could wash a load of baby clothes in my Dyson CR02, I asked her “Why had the Miele broken down?” then she told me about the problems she was having with poor wash performance. Needless to say the baby clothes came out of the Dyson spotless clean using Cottons 60ºC and Ariel Sensitive tablets. I watched her Miele go through two cycles and the only reason I could see for the poor results was the miserly use of water coupled with the tiny drum which did not allow the load to move freely. Anyway she bought an Electrolux Insight WF14108W she is totally delighted with the Electrolux everything is washed spotless clean.

Now for my own Miele experience I bought a Miele W2888WPS which cost £1300; it was returned to the store after three weeks of noise and vibration, the racket it made on the 1800RPM spin was nothing short of scary. I was taken through to the stores office to process my refund when I spotted a familiar machine a Dyson CR02 Allergy still wrapped and available for sale. I took the Dyson and managed to get it for £960 as Dyson had stopped producing washers, I also cam home with £340 cash. Neither Grace nor I would consider buying another Miele washer.

David

 

[lavamat_jon]

Sorry to hear about your problems, David. However I have a sixteen month old W2652WPS which beats the hell out of any other washer I use, and I know lots of other people too who are plenty happy with their Miele. Again I disagree that they are overrated or overpriced. You can get a Miele for £450, which really isn't that expensive for a washer. And they are the only manufacturer nowadays who actually care about the quality of the appliance.

Mine uses plenty of water and even if you don't select water plus it washes and rinses perfectly, and the tumbling is a hell of a lot better than the AEG which sits next to it (even though the AEG is very good). In fact the Miele rinses better on it's standard rinse cycle than the AEG does with Rinse +.

It seems slagging off Miele is a favourite trend at the moment, but I still stand by the point that they are the best machines out there. They are certainly better than anything else available nowadays.

And while we're on the point of slagging off each other's appliances, I have to say it would be interesting to point out that not only was the Dyson pulled from the market because it overrated and overpriced, but it also had a lot of reliability problems.

Jon

 

[lavamat_jon]

FWIW

...I also pack my Miele drum full, and the load still tumbles freely enough to be washed properly and it is indeed an excellent washer.

Maybe I'm ranting but I hate people's attitudes at the moment moaning about Miele that is crap when in true fact they are a hell of a lot better than your average £300 Hotpoint or whatever.

Jon

 

[nickuk]

I find it very hard to believe that any washer (even Indesit) is to blame for poor stain removal. If you know what you're doing regards programs, detergent, LCB (in the case of baby stains) loading the washer appropriately the washer is just a tool. Blowing my own trumpet here (and I'm sure many would say the same), stick me in any house with any working machine and a basic set of detergents / additives and I will get that laundry clean.

2 Drums Allergy, £2000 between you and Grace on Miele washers and you get poor stain removal and shaky spinning? Wow, that's something I've never heard before. I don't have these issues even with my sister in law's £199 Indesit. Respectfully, are you genuine about this or do you work for ole James D or something?? LOL More inf please.

The point of a better (read Miele) machine is surely dureability and less chance of breakdown, quieter running etc etc. On the whole,I don't think either a Dyson or an Insight can offer an improvement over Miele on this ;-) however everyone's experience is different I guess....

 

[2-drumsallergy]

My personal Miele experience

Well Jon I can only go by my personal Miele experience and that of my sister which was less than positive. My sisters Miele had to be dumped after 14 months of appalling wash results and the engineer was out four times and said the machine was running perfectly. Grace did not appreciate her children being dressed like something out of the Beano. As for my Dyson washers my First Dyson a CR01 Memory was purchased April 2001 it has never broken down it has completed over 4800 cycles and still runs like the day I bought it. It is still the only washer that can wash a king size Duvet in a standard UK cabinet. The Dyson washers were expensive and a totally new design and unfortunately did not sell in sufficient numbers to justify their continued production. The Dyson Contra Rotator is a totally unique washer design, nothing looks like them or washes like them. Just for the record the CR02 has not broken down either, it has been just over a year in use.

As for "Miele bashing" you are the expert when it comes to bashing other people’s machines. I am not bashing anyone’s washer I am only commenting on my personal experience and that of my sister with the Miele brand and our experience has been that they are over rated and over priced. As Mattb36469 has said “you can get some damn good cheap washers that last”. I also agree with Mattb36469 about your posts about cheap washers being crap. I have been reading this Forum for years now, lurking if you like so I am all too familiar with your Miele rant and condemnation of cheaper brands. As for the £450 Miele you mention it is a very basic and ugly machine indeed. I would suggest reading through the archived threads one in particular springs to mind; and although you apologised there is no excuse for attacking anyone in such a manner especially a new member.

David

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[glamwales]

For Calm !

Well I want to say “each to their own”! Also.....

I love my £300 Hotpoint. Its cleans really well, has a nice range of programs, good spin and a fantastic quick wash. It may not last and I really don’t care, but that’s my choice.

With regards to the quality of Miele’s, to say its superior to Hotpoint or cheap brands is just wrong Jon. It maybe to you because you own one, but until you have tried all Hotpoint machines don’t class them into the same category.

I have been reading the threads of late and perhaps people are getting to personal about it all !! Be it the cheapest Hotpoint or a top of the range Miele they do one thing and that is wash clothes.

Is it really worth all the negativity? I am not having a go at anyone , But i thought id try to add some perspective !

 

[sparkcymru]

Be Positive

Lets have some positive stuff come on. There is already too much negativity in the world and it spreads rapidly!

Steve

 

[dascot]

I have to say that I don't know what sort of baby food stains the Miele was supposedly having a problem with, but I've never found anything that my toddler can cover clothes in that won't come out in a 40 degree cycle with nothing but non-bio powder. Call me cynical, but I suspect operator error when something like that happens.

I may be new here (well, new ish anyway), but I agree with Steve - let's have a bit of calm about things.

D

 

[miele2888]

Disapponting miele performance?

David,i will have to agree with lavamat John.I have a 2888 navitronic for 26 months after owning 30 month old Zanussi IZ which needed new bearings after 30 months. well my navitronic never rattles or vibrates (i shall make a video soon) and washes MUCH BETTER and quicker than the silly IZ. i always pack the machine full with table cloths kitchen towels stained white socks and i get brilliant results in 89 minutes including prewash at 55 celcius without stain removers while the zanussi took 165 minutes at 60 with prewash and with added stain removers and cloths were not so bright and toweles were not soft because detergent was not rinsed out properly.
I have used candy activa smart/blomberg w240/Bosch max kids/hotpoint ultima and ALL of them performed a lot worse than the miele epecilally on synthetics. Miele even at 30 min express cycle produces excellent results.
And i have to mention that that my parents replaced a 24 year old miele with a w3923(the same as johns mum has with slant fascia)and i have to say that its an excellent performer as well. The reason that miele washes better is because the pauses(heavy duty motor needs less)) are very short and the washing speed is variable ALL the time. Especially the 3923 spins so fast in the main wash so that cloths almost cannot bee seen.
Even my sisters 10 year old w840 which uses a motor with brushes has varaible washing speeds and skips one rinse replacing it with one very high level if the load is
absorbent.You see a miele washing cycle is never the same unlike all other machines i have used. The worst was bosch max very boring slow and poor rinser.However it was better with stains than Zanussi or candy.
Dont know about Dyson but many people reported torned cloths due to wear of the material that joins the two drums.

Anyway wish you good luck with your Dyson however here on the island miele is the best washer u can get. Here even clinics use household mieles doing multiple high temp loads every day flawlessly for many years.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Perhaps superior is for want of a better word, glamwales, though I have used my nana's Hotpoint and it isn't up there with the quality of Miele but you can't expect the same quality for the price but that said I have gotten to know nana's Hotpoint WF340 a bit more and whilst I do prefer her old WM25 (who wouldn't) it is a nice machine in itself. Performance wise (using the correct cycles/options), the end result is the same whether your washing in a 1980s Logic, or a modern Indesit or Miele. Believe it or not I'm not out here to slag off everybody's machines, I'm just over enthuasiastic about what I own and I am quite offended that people think I am a bad person for being so.

As I posted in another thread (actually in the one the very kind David linked to), this site is great because it is a place where we can all be linked by one common interest and it's a good site because of everybody using and liking different machines. We shouldn't waste our time arguing here, and if people really do want to nitpick somebody's posts then they should do that privately via email and not try and heat up threads on here.

Jon

 

[2-drumsallergy]

Hi nickuk yes I am a totally honest person and what would I possibly gain by lying about something like that.

Grace tried every detergent and additive available even some expensive detergent called SA8 (which incidentally gave the worst results) the only way she could get the Miele to wash the baby things anyway clean was to under load it and use the 95ºC Cottons cycle but of course this destroyed many of the garments especially the elastic and the plastic backing on cotton bibs. The Miele had less than an inch of water in the tub on the Cottons cycle and it took an age to saturate the load yet the engineer said it was "Operating according to factory specs", and yes he did see the stained laundry after the completed cycle. The problem with my 2888 was noise when spinning it was virtually silent washing but it was frightening on the 1800 RPM spin.

As for Dyson there would be no point of recommending a Dyson washer to anyone as they sadly are no longer made so it would not be impossible to find a new one anywhere now. They are great machines and my only real complaint would be the lack of a time to program end, the display only shows the part of the cycle (Rinse 1 of 3) for example. The Contra Rotation is a very unusual noise, not noisy as such but not silent either however the 8 point drum suspension makes the Dyson incredibly stable and quiet on maximum spin even though my CR02 is on a wooden floor. The Dyson completes a Cottons 60ºC in an hour it also delivers a full 7KG load with an A grade wash performance at 40ºC again around 60 minutes. The fast cycles and throughput is great as we have a large family and a relative with advanced Alzheimer’s disease which has resulted in loss of bowel and bladder control so this makes for a lot of heavily soiled laundry.

David

 

[2-drumsallergy]

Wrong link

Here is the correct one.

David

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/MODERN/2006/7247x19.htm

 

[lavamat_jon]

My Miele saturates the load more or less within the first minute or so of the cycle, gets great results even on tough whites on a 1.15h 60*C Cottons cycle, and is very quiet even during the fast spins, as is mum's W3922. As I mentioned before, no problem for me at all with water levels, stain removal, or vibration problems. My Miele is situated on an upstairs floor, and even though the AEG machine next to it bounces like crazy on some loads (usually denims) the Miele is as still as anything during the whole spin no matter what it is spinning.

It's good to hear that your pleased with your Dyson too, but I've read/heard that they're not so perfect either and heard the rumours that they were pulled due to their unreliability. Though I haven't owned one so I can't comment on that, only on what I have heard. For what it's worth I've always been intrigued with Dyson machines, and was also gutted when they were taken off the market.

Jon