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My personal Miele experience

Well Jon I can only go by my personal Miele experience and that of my sister which was less than positive. My sisters Miele had to be dumped after 14 months of appalling wash results and the engineer was out four times and said the machine was running perfectly. Grace did not appreciate her children being dressed like something out of the Beano. As for my Dyson washers my First Dyson a CR01 Memory was purchased April 2001 it has never broken down it has completed over 4800 cycles and still runs like the day I bought it. It is still the only washer that can wash a king size Duvet in a standard UK cabinet. The Dyson washers were expensive and a totally new design and unfortunately did not sell in sufficient numbers to justify their continued production. The Dyson Contra Rotator is a totally unique washer design, nothing looks like them or washes like them. Just for the record the CR02 has not broken down either, it has been just over a year in use.

As for "Miele bashing" you are the expert when it comes to bashing other people’s machines. I am not bashing anyone’s washer I am only commenting on my personal experience and that of my sister with the Miele brand and our experience has been that they are over rated and over priced. As Mattb36469 has said “you can get some damn good cheap washers that last”. I also agree with Mattb36469 about your posts about cheap washers being crap. I have been reading this Forum for years now, lurking if you like so I am all too familiar with your Miele rant and condemnation of cheaper brands. As for the £450 Miele you mention it is a very basic and ugly machine indeed. I would suggest reading through the archived threads one in particular springs to mind; and although you apologised there is no excuse for attacking anyone in such a manner especially a new member.

David

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/SANDBOX/7614x61.htm
 
For Calm !

Well I want to say “each to their own”! Also.....

I love my £300 Hotpoint. Its cleans really well, has a nice range of programs, good spin and a fantastic quick wash. It may not last and I really don’t care, but that’s my choice.

With regards to the quality of Miele’s, to say its superior to Hotpoint or cheap brands is just wrong Jon. It maybe to you because you own one, but until you have tried all Hotpoint machines don’t class them into the same category.

I have been reading the threads of late and perhaps people are getting to personal about it all !! Be it the cheapest Hotpoint or a top of the range Miele they do one thing and that is wash clothes.

Is it really worth all the negativity? I am not having a go at anyone , But i thought id try to add some perspective !
 
Be Positive

Lets have some positive stuff come on. There is already too much negativity in the world and it spreads rapidly!

Steve
 
I have to say that I don't know what sort of baby food stains the Miele was supposedly having a problem with, but I've never found anything that my toddler can cover clothes in that won't come out in a 40 degree cycle with nothing but non-bio powder. Call me cynical, but I suspect operator error when something like that happens.

I may be new here (well, new ish anyway), but I agree with Steve - let's have a bit of calm about things.

D
 
Disapponting miele performance?

David,i will have to agree with lavamat John.I have a 2888 navitronic for 26 months after owning 30 month old Zanussi IZ which needed new bearings after 30 months. well my navitronic never rattles or vibrates (i shall make a video soon) and washes MUCH BETTER and quicker than the silly IZ. i always pack the machine full with table cloths kitchen towels stained white socks and i get brilliant results in 89 minutes including prewash at 55 celcius without stain removers while the zanussi took 165 minutes at 60 with prewash and with added stain removers and cloths were not so bright and toweles were not soft because detergent was not rinsed out properly.
I have used candy activa smart/blomberg w240/Bosch max kids/hotpoint ultima and ALL of them performed a lot worse than the miele epecilally on synthetics. Miele even at 30 min express cycle produces excellent results.
And i have to mention that that my parents replaced a 24 year old miele with a w3923(the same as johns mum has with slant fascia)and i have to say that its an excellent performer as well. The reason that miele washes better is because the pauses(heavy duty motor needs less)) are very short and the washing speed is variable ALL the time. Especially the 3923 spins so fast in the main wash so that cloths almost cannot bee seen.
Even my sisters 10 year old w840 which uses a motor with brushes has varaible washing speeds and skips one rinse replacing it with one very high level if the load is
absorbent.You see a miele washing cycle is never the same unlike all other machines i have used. The worst was bosch max very boring slow and poor rinser.However it was better with stains than Zanussi or candy.
Dont know about Dyson but many people reported torned cloths due to wear of the material that joins the two drums.

Anyway wish you good luck with your Dyson however here on the island miele is the best washer u can get. Here even clinics use household mieles doing multiple high temp loads every day flawlessly for many years.
 
Perhaps superior is for want of a better word, glamwales, though I have used my nana's Hotpoint and it isn't up there with the quality of Miele but you can't expect the same quality for the price but that said I have gotten to know nana's Hotpoint WF340 a bit more and whilst I do prefer her old WM25 (who wouldn't) it is a nice machine in itself. Performance wise (using the correct cycles/options), the end result is the same whether your washing in a 1980s Logic, or a modern Indesit or Miele. Believe it or not I'm not out here to slag off everybody's machines, I'm just over enthuasiastic about what I own and I am quite offended that people think I am a bad person for being so.

As I posted in another thread (actually in the one the very kind David linked to), this site is great because it is a place where we can all be linked by one common interest and it's a good site because of everybody using and liking different machines. We shouldn't waste our time arguing here, and if people really do want to nitpick somebody's posts then they should do that privately via email and not try and heat up threads on here.

Jon
 
Hi nickuk yes I am a totally honest person and what would I possibly gain by lying about something like that.

Grace tried every detergent and additive available even some expensive detergent called SA8 (which incidentally gave the worst results) the only way she could get the Miele to wash the baby things anyway clean was to under load it and use the 95ºC Cottons cycle but of course this destroyed many of the garments especially the elastic and the plastic backing on cotton bibs. The Miele had less than an inch of water in the tub on the Cottons cycle and it took an age to saturate the load yet the engineer said it was "Operating according to factory specs", and yes he did see the stained laundry after the completed cycle. The problem with my 2888 was noise when spinning it was virtually silent washing but it was frightening on the 1800 RPM spin.

As for Dyson there would be no point of recommending a Dyson washer to anyone as they sadly are no longer made so it would not be impossible to find a new one anywhere now. They are great machines and my only real complaint would be the lack of a time to program end, the display only shows the part of the cycle (Rinse 1 of 3) for example. The Contra Rotation is a very unusual noise, not noisy as such but not silent either however the 8 point drum suspension makes the Dyson incredibly stable and quiet on maximum spin even though my CR02 is on a wooden floor. The Dyson completes a Cottons 60ºC in an hour it also delivers a full 7KG load with an A grade wash performance at 40ºC again around 60 minutes. The fast cycles and throughput is great as we have a large family and a relative with advanced Alzheimer’s disease which has resulted in loss of bowel and bladder control so this makes for a lot of heavily soiled laundry.

David
 
My Miele saturates the load more or less within the first minute or so of the cycle, gets great results even on tough whites on a 1.15h 60*C Cottons cycle, and is very quiet even during the fast spins, as is mum's W3922. As I mentioned before, no problem for me at all with water levels, stain removal, or vibration problems. My Miele is situated on an upstairs floor, and even though the AEG machine next to it bounces like crazy on some loads (usually denims) the Miele is as still as anything during the whole spin no matter what it is spinning.

It's good to hear that your pleased with your Dyson too, but I've read/heard that they're not so perfect either and heard the rumours that they were pulled due to their unreliability. Though I haven't owned one so I can't comment on that, only on what I have heard. For what it's worth I've always been intrigued with Dyson machines, and was also gutted when they were taken off the market.

Jon
 
David, if you cared to read the whole thread you'll see that the majority agree with me...

Please stop with this nonsense. As somebody pointed out further up, stop the negativity and trying to put me down and just get on with sharing the washer interest.

Jon
 
i think out of fairness and appreciation for eachothers feelings,
we must agree to disagree on this one. peoples own experiences and views are theirs and what makes things interesting e.g for me nothing beats my hoover logic n it kicks the cr@p out of ne thin on the market. but thats my opinion! As everyone heres machine is their pride and joy. so lets respect eachother. were a community of closeness here. not bitterness..

end of!

D
 
Here Here

Thanks for that Darren took the words right out of my mouth...
And yes, my Zanussi timeline is the best thing since sliced loaves appeared in supermarkets (he says sarcastically)

All seems a bit heated and for want of a better phrase a bit on the narrow minded side.

Let normality be restored......

Saj
 
Well Jon your Miele clearly operates differently from my sisters one a full 5KG load in her machine was not properly saturated even after 5 minutes I believe this was the problem but the engineer said it was working correctly. Graces machine did not vibrate on the 1600RPM spin yet my 2888 vibrated violently on the 1800RPM spin. After spending £1300 I was not prepared to put up with all that noise and vibration, the suspension in the 2888 was really stiff to the point that it felt like the transit packing was still in place but it was not so it had to go.

Grace is delighted with her Electrolux as it washes everything perfectly clean but only time will tell how reliable it is. None the less the fact remains her Miele did not clean the baby clothes and the Electrolux does. I have watched the Electrolux through a cycle and its Inverter brushless motor makes it very quiet. It uses a water jet at the top of the door seal like the Zanussi Jetsystem which saturates the load in seconds. I always liked the Zanussi Jetsystem and found even the earliest models gave fantastic wash results.

As for your rumours the Dyson washer was discontinued because of poor sales; but yes there were minor niggles my CR01 which has completed over 4800 cycles (The Fuzzy Logic control system records the total number of cycles) is registered with Dyson and I was contacted by Dyson to arrange an engineers visit as there was an upgrade available for my machine, the upgrade was a circular plastic component called the ramp which is essentially a cam used to engage and disengage the Contra Rotation, it was discovered that the plastic was absorbing moisture from the air and swelling this resulted in it not moving freely and possibly causing the Contra Rotation not to fully disengage which in turn could cause a fuse on the Power Control Board to blow. The engineer fitted a modified ramp (Different plastic used) also a new coin trap cover which included a drain spout and finally a new detergent tray to correct occasional siphoning of fabric softener when the drawer was closed quickly with the dispenser over filled. This upgrade was performed free of charge and the ramp on my machine appeared normal to the engineer. The operating Software was also upgraded.

miele2888 mentions fabric damage caused by wear of the Drum to Drum bearing well all I can say is neither of my Dysons have damaged any of my laundry and there is no wear whatsoever on the Drum to Drum bearing on either machine; I feel sure that if this was a weak point it would surly have developed on my CR01 which has completed almost 5000 cycles now.

I feel Dyson is to be commended for producing such a revolutionary and unique washer design which is 100% British. As a British citizen I for one am extremely proud of what Dyson Ltd. has achieved for such a young company. And before anyone asks I don’t work for Dyson.

It does not matter what make of appliance, car, electronic goods or any mass produced product there is always the potential to get a bad one. Perhaps my sister and I were just unlucky.

David
 
David, if you cared to read the whole thread you'll see

Jon I say it as I see it. I have read the whole thread and many threads over the years, and stand by my comments you defiantly have a tendency to bash other peoples washers despite the fact you don’t own the products you’re condemning. I also read another forum (The Laundry Room Forum) although I am not registered there I have noticed a member there that I suspect is yourself the username is aquarius2101, I have come to this conclusion by the general Miele rant. However if I am wrong on this I sincerely apologise.
I would describe you as having an attitude problem that is my opinion. If you would like to request to the webmaster to have me banned that is fine by me. There are no back doors in me and I am in no way two faced. I always say what is on my mind. This is an open forum so I feel there is no need to converse by email.

This is my last post in this matter as it is not constructive.

David
 
I think you hit the nail on the head with your last sentence there David - you and your sister were unlucky. It just so happens you were unlucky with something that you weren't expecting to be unlucky with, but that happens.

We all have bias for and against certain manufacturers, machines, types of machines etc., but we shouldn't let that get in the way of discussing things rationally.

Again, you've been lucky with your Dyson. I've read plenty of reports from people who weren't so lucky.
 
I would describe you as having an attitude problem that is my opinion. If you would like to request to the webmaster to have me banned that is fine by me

I don't want you banned, all I ask is that you quit having a go at me when I have done nothing wrong but been passionate and enthusiastic about a product I own. It may be an open forum but it definitely is not one to target single members such as myself and do nothing but have a go at them.

Jon
 
fighting jons corner

To say that Jon has an attitude problem on a public thread is both rude and innappropriate, while it is your own opinion, it is one that should be kept to oneself especially if all you are basing this judgement on is what he types in these forums. A few of us on this site know jon on a personal level and i think they would agree with me in saying that jon is one of the nicest people you could meet and i know he is feeling rather down about comments made on this thread. His passion for washing machines in particular mieles is something he is and has a right to be enthusiastic about, he doesn't 'bash' anyone elses washes, merely compares them to the quality of mieles.
I'm not taking sides i just think that some comments should be kept to ourselves. Please can we call an end to it now and let jon regain some self esteem.

I'm not taking sides, everyone has a right to their opinion but there are more appropriate places than here
 
Come on guys!

Hey,we are here to make our lives nicer discussing washing machines, having fun and not adding stress to ourselves and destroy the purpose of this side with childish attitudes.
Lets get serious and stop these strong opinions and disagreements. We should respect other peoples opinions and i am sure that both Jon and David and myself came up to these conclusions from our personal experience.
You see not all people have the same tastes and preferences its impossible.
So stop this and get serious guys!

miele
 
Dyson Washers

We sold maybe 6 of these - off the top of my head 4 were exchanged for Mieles- draw your own conclusions on that one lol.

In my opinion anything Dyson isnt actually a British product anyway- personally I define the country of origin of anything as where it is actually produced- NOT where its designed etc!

Seamus
 
attitude on line...

I think a little restraint would not go amiss on some threads.
Whilst we all can be a little "protective" of our favourite brands, we all should realise that ALL brands are not 100% perfect. Jon, I can see how sometimes your love of certain brands comes across as a little confrontational, considering the wealth of experience on this site.
Saying that, Jon is a good guy and I am sure, doesn't mean to "raise hackles" with his views. He has, in the past, helped me work out some issues with my AEG, which he did so of his own free will! (By the way, since moving the AEG to Birmingham, I have found the rinsing to be no problem at all!!! (harder water here, the AEG is exhonourated!!!) Towels do not need a further rinse, hurrah!

Take care all and remember, this site should be the LAST place where animosity rears it's ugly head!

Sleep well

Peter
 
Behaviour online.

I am not here to argue about brands, bash brands or offend anyone; I merely voiced my sisters and my own experience of the Miele brand which was less than positive. I make my living repairing appliances and I see plenty of so called cheaper washers being thrashed doing four or five loads per day with very few problems say motor brushes, drain pumps door gaskets etc.; on the other hand I have also seen many of the same machines needing drum bearing replacement after a couple of years, my point is there are good and bad machines within any brand and no way of knowing till the machine is in use.

Seamus as I have said before I have two Dyson washers my CR01 Memory (Made in UK) has completed 4887 cycles without any breakdowns and still runs like the day I first got it. I also have a CR02 2 Drums Allergy (Made in Malaysia) it has completed 856 cycles again no breakdowns. I am well pleased with my Dysons but I am quite sure that some people have not been so lucky unfortunately this is part and parcel of mass produced goods.

As for my comments regarding Jon’s attitude I stand by them. I have received a number of emails thanking me for having the guts to say what many have been feeling. I know for a fact a number of members of Automaticwasher.org feel they can no longer post on the site and some have even deleted their profiles because of Jon’s bashing and snobbery. I find this bashing and snobbery distasteful and unacceptable and no one should have to leave or miss out on this great site because of this behaviour. It’s all there in the threads and archives for everyone to read. I mean no one any offence and it’s nothing personal as I don’t know Jon personally. Think what you like of me but certain things needed to be said. I have now said my peace on the matter and will not be responding further.

Let’s get back to the fun of sharing.

Happy washing

David.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/MODERN/2006/7247x19.htm
 
David,

The fact that you are posting that link for the second time, also the fact that you are mentioning other people emailing you (obviously you can't mention their names, but you should have kept that to yourself) makes me think you are a very nasty person. Jonathan apologized in that thread and all you want to do is rub it in again. If people apologize you should have the decency to let the matter rest.But forgiving and forgetting isn't in your book, is it?

Louis
 
is this saga ever going to end?
they had an argumen
jon said sorry
david made his point then said case closed
then someone else opens it up again

i joined this web site to read about washers!!
 
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I Love the look of those Bosches :-D

BTW David, Jon's apologised and he is not a bad person, I have no idea why you would think he is... He does like other brands besides Miele, i was walking around Currys with him and he was rather attracted to the Ariston Machines saying he rather liked them, so dont accuse him of being arrogant or having an attitude problem!!!

If you think he has a problem, then your wrong, maybe its you that has the problem!!

Please Can we call this an end to this???

Take Care
Dan

P.S foraloysius I'll have a bit of cake :-P
 
As for my comments regarding Jon’s attitude I stand by them. I have received a number of emails thanking me for having the guts to say what many have been feeling. I know for a fact a number of members of Automaticwasher.org feel they can no longer post on the site and some have even deleted their profiles because of Jon’s bashing and snobbery. I find this bashing and snobbery distasteful and unacceptable and no one should have to leave or miss out on this great site because of this behaviour. It’s all there in the threads and archives for everyone to read. I mean no one any offence and it’s nothing personal as I don’t know Jon personally. Think what you like of me but certain things needed to be said. I have now said my peace on the matter and will not be responding further.

Unfortunately it seems you don't want to let it lie, because you're the one that brought it back up again by posting this and by linking to the previous thread. Good grief man, I know you feel strongly, but there's no need to keep rehashing the same thing over and over. It's just pure nastiness.
 
Leave David alone

The last two posts have added fuel to the fire and I dont like it. Whatever David said its been said and he has every right to defend hiself. Perhaps he may have been a bit strong but he has raised some valid points regarding the constant bashing of machines and brands.

I hate to see people being ganged up on and thats happening now. Some of us have tried to end this bloody madness !! thanks for starting it back off
 
I don't think anyone is ganging up on David or Jon, but people are voicing their own opinions. David is the one who has posted claiming that he thinks Jon has an attitude problem, linking to other threads and claiming to have received emails from other forum members supporting him. This is just not constructive, stirs up the issue and shouldn't have been mentioned.

Jon has apologised, David hasn't, and Matt just hasn't bothered to post other than to have a bitch at Jon it seems.

Perhaps someone should start a thread solely for bitching and moaning, where you take your risk of seeing something that might offend you when you see it ;-)
 

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