New Bosch Logixx 8 Machines for Europe

[lavamat_jon]

To match the same styling of the dryers, Bosch are releasing 8 kilo Euro sized machines in Europe. Funky new paddles, a rip off of the Miele honeycomb drum, and what's more - made in Germany! They definitely are very stylish machines... link follows!

Also they have released vented versions of the new condenser dryers with windows, and are no longer rebadging Gorenje dryers .

Jon

http://www.bosch-hausgeraete.de/de/apps/press/show.php?id=181&lang=en

 

[l86810]

Thanks Jon!!!!!! )

They look great!!! I like the LCD displays! I agree about the drum... I wonder where they got an idea like that, lol!

And I'm over the moon about the dryers... I loved the design of the previous condenser range...
I really wanted one… but I would have rather stuck with a vented dryer!
So should anything happen to the dryer we have… I can get a vented one with the cool door of the condenser

 

[lavamat_jon]

 

[stratus]

wow

they are pretty nifty looking machines - it was only a matter of time before other peeps started ripping off miele's ideas - wonder if this one has an interior light and if not who'll be the next to rip that one off!!

B

 

[newwave1]

gotta give bosch credit tho! those paddles are pretty nifty! if they've addressed the water levels i.e aqua plus then im mega tempted by these models. there extremely nice lookin too! they remind me of the inovations of the range before "MAXX" models came in. E.g "WFF2000" awesome model. similar paddles too! And from reading the press release it seems they have recirculatory jets too.

Darren

 

[stratus]

it was only a matter of time...

before someone stole the honeycomb drum idea! does this one have an interior light? - if not i wonder who will be the ones to steal that one next? hehe

 

[stratus]

oh bah....

my stoopid computer - was just looking at this post and my laptop wasn't showing my reply - now its there!! rarr i re-worded it and everything! stoopid computer - i'm going to bed *huff*!!!

 

[nickuk]

Thanks for posting Jon

I really like the look of those machines, and the program dial looks fun (I like PowerWash60 und `mein program', ja?)
Made In Germany, good dryers to match.....could these be really quite an exciting and purchasable prospect? The styling of these is good. I've always loved the styling of Bosch dishwashers too.....

 

[aquarius1984]

the question is. . . .

will they last more than 2 years? Lol Nick x

 

[nickuk]

Possibly......

If they're made in Germany, mind you wasn't Jon's made in Germany which didn't last long?

 

[babyboy]

Hm, hm, hm, Jon... I wonder where you got that information from? *lol* ;-)

Maybe from here:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0914081127272.html?3
Anyway, these new washers are built in Brandenburg (near Berlin). I don’t think they have an interior light, nor recirculation.

Here are some more details for y’all.

Alex

 

[babyboy]

Control Panel (Siemens)

 

[babyboy]

Cabinet and door

 

[babyboy]

Tub Assembly

 

[babyboy]

Detergent drawer + drain

 

[babyboy]

Water inlet + AquaStop

 

[babyboy]

For the spare parts list go to

http://www.siemensappliances.co.uk/?sitemapID=1030
and click on 'Spare Parts'.

The E-Nr. for the TOL Siemens is: WM 16 S 740
The E-Nr. for the TOL Bosch is: WAS 32790

 

[aquarius1984]

germany

i believe jons old one was made there and i think its a shame it didnt last long. My mums next door neighbour though has has a maxx which is coming on for 7 years old now. Wan know how i know this? 8 years ago i peeped through the garden fence when they first moved in as you can see straight into the utility room. They had a servis slimline which was quite loud. They replaced it a year later and occasionally i peep through the fence to check the bosch is still there lol its not pure white anymore but seems to work fine. Im no peeping tom though.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Bosch...

True, but our old one was also bashed about by builders without transit bolts which contributed to the demise of the suspension and whatever, though getting stuck in the 2nd rinse was a fault of the PCB apparently. Plus mine was really stingy on water levels, whereas these new ones don't appear to be.

Who knows anyway - one of this may be sitting next to the Miele (and perhaps the matching vented dryer too) when the AEG washer bearings finally get too bad.

Jon

 

[babyboy]

Cycles

Here's the (special) cycle chart for the non-Exclusive models. The "Exclusive" models additionally feature the AquaSensor to scan the rinse water for detergent residue and only use 67 liters [17.7 gallons], instead of 80 [in the exact same cycle(s)].

Alex

 

[lavamat_jon]

Alex - thanks for posting the chart, any idea on light soil Cotton cycle times?

I'm liking these new Bosch models more and more. On paper at least they look a damn whole lot better than the previous Maxx series.

I think the Cottons Eco cycle will be one that I would never use .

Jon

 

[babyboy]

Well Jon...

By posting those eBay pics above, you could’ve almost answered the question yourself.

In the first picture you see the dial being set to the Cottons cycle (first cycle on the right) and in the second picture the display reads “fertig in: 1:36”, which means in English “done in 1:36”. So I guess that’s the regular cycle time. I might head out to the stores next week – but I doubt they’ll have a model to “play” with – I’ll see.

BTW – the above-pictured model is one of the Exclusive ones. The regular series doesn’t have the “My Cycle” settings “Mein Programm 1 & 2” – instead they have “Curtains” and “Darks/Jeans”.

Alex

 

[mickeyd]

Thanks, Jon

The chrome in pic -03 is so bright with the interior light that it looks like a mirror--so cool

 

[mattb36469]

Humm Jon are you aware the companys exchange development information all the time? I can bet you the milie has had some influence from hotpoint, bosch ect.

Just a note been reading and all I see on your posts is "My Milie" and about cheap washers being crap.

Not all of them are, you can get some damn good cheap washers that last.

When you buy a milie your buying a brand image thats it. It dont neccisarrily make it the best.

My grandmother had one and it used to not finish cycles and rip holes in her clothes.

Milie mechanics told her that it was working fine, I dont call holes in your clothes working fine. Anyhow she got rid of it with milies poor customer service and not wanting to fix it.

 

[dascot]

You can get cheap machines that will last, but equally you can get ones that will fail within a couple of weeks. It's a matter of luck.

Saying that, it's the same no matter how much you spend - you can get a Miele lemon too, but it's less likely than a, say, Servis or Ariston lemon because they are producing at a slightly lower volume and with more stringent quality control.

 

[lavamat_jon]

Well all I can say, Matt, is that in my general experience the best modern day machines do indeed seem to be Miele, and I personally think that they are the best. They certainly are more than brand image, and are of far higher quality than most other brands. I personally don't care about the name badge on the appliance, it's what's inside and it's reliability that counts. And I'm sorry to say but as much as I try to like cheap machines their low quality just screams right out. Name me a damn good cheap washer that'll last. The answer will be that most modern day machines won't. I've worked in the appliance field and have seen loads of Indesits, Hotpoints, even some cheaper Zanussi machines that see a death in less then 2 or 3 years. Miele, as well as Bosch and the more decent end of Electrolux machines seem to be the only machines that will last nowadays. That said, you do see cheaper machines that do last, but they tend to only be used by couples or old lady's living on their own... go figure.

Anyway, it's interesting to see that you've just signed up on this website without a welcome first to everyone else, to directly jump in and have a go at me.

Jon

 

[2-drumsallergy]

Overrated and overpriced appliances

My sister Grace has just replaced her fourteen month old Miele W2652WPS which cost her £700; the machine would not get stains out of baby clothes, this was a real problem as she has two boys under 18 months. I only discovered her problems about a month ago when she asked me if she could wash a load of baby clothes in my Dyson CR02, I asked her “Why had the Miele broken down?” then she told me about the problems she was having with poor wash performance. Needless to say the baby clothes came out of the Dyson spotless clean using Cottons 60ºC and Ariel Sensitive tablets. I watched her Miele go through two cycles and the only reason I could see for the poor results was the miserly use of water coupled with the tiny drum which did not allow the load to move freely. Anyway she bought an Electrolux Insight WF14108W she is totally delighted with the Electrolux everything is washed spotless clean.

Now for my own Miele experience I bought a Miele W2888WPS which cost £1300; it was returned to the store after three weeks of noise and vibration, the racket it made on the 1800RPM spin was nothing short of scary. I was taken through to the stores office to process my refund when I spotted a familiar machine a Dyson CR02 Allergy still wrapped and available for sale. I took the Dyson and managed to get it for £960 as Dyson had stopped producing washers, I also cam home with £340 cash. Neither Grace nor I would consider buying another Miele washer.

David

 

[lavamat_jon]

Sorry to hear about your problems, David. However I have a sixteen month old W2652WPS which beats the hell out of any other washer I use, and I know lots of other people too who are plenty happy with their Miele. Again I disagree that they are overrated or overpriced. You can get a Miele for £450, which really isn't that expensive for a washer. And they are the only manufacturer nowadays who actually care about the quality of the appliance.

Mine uses plenty of water and even if you don't select water plus it washes and rinses perfectly, and the tumbling is a hell of a lot better than the AEG which sits next to it (even though the AEG is very good). In fact the Miele rinses better on it's standard rinse cycle than the AEG does with Rinse +.

It seems slagging off Miele is a favourite trend at the moment, but I still stand by the point that they are the best machines out there. They are certainly better than anything else available nowadays.

And while we're on the point of slagging off each other's appliances, I have to say it would be interesting to point out that not only was the Dyson pulled from the market because it overrated and overpriced, but it also had a lot of reliability problems.

Jon

 

[lavamat_jon]

FWIW

...I also pack my Miele drum full, and the load still tumbles freely enough to be washed properly and it is indeed an excellent washer.

Maybe I'm ranting but I hate people's attitudes at the moment moaning about Miele that is crap when in true fact they are a hell of a lot better than your average £300 Hotpoint or whatever.

Jon

 

[nickuk]

I find it very hard to believe that any washer (even Indesit) is to blame for poor stain removal. If you know what you're doing regards programs, detergent, LCB (in the case of baby stains) loading the washer appropriately the washer is just a tool. Blowing my own trumpet here (and I'm sure many would say the same), stick me in any house with any working machine and a basic set of detergents / additives and I will get that laundry clean.

2 Drums Allergy, £2000 between you and Grace on Miele washers and you get poor stain removal and shaky spinning? Wow, that's something I've never heard before. I don't have these issues even with my sister in law's £199 Indesit. Respectfully, are you genuine about this or do you work for ole James D or something?? LOL More inf please.

The point of a better (read Miele) machine is surely dureability and less chance of breakdown, quieter running etc etc. On the whole,I don't think either a Dyson or an Insight can offer an improvement over Miele on this ;-) however everyone's experience is different I guess....