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Effectiveness of Washer

Rinsing performance does depend on the washer being used. However, when using the same machine daily, detergent sudsing and rinsing performance is important. For instance, using a Tide Pod versus Tide USR HE Turbo will certainly give you very different rinsing results. As mentioned above, powders and liquids will vary performance as well. So using a detergent like Rosalies would have less of an effect with rinsing in comparison to the machine? I disagree.
 
Well, I'm going to have to check out the Tide Plus Ultra Stain Release.  (Neither Walmart or HEB carry it--but I can order it from Target--just gotta come up with enough stuff to meet the $35 minimum order).  I just did a load of dark towels on Heavy Duty/Hot.  It locked up with suds when it tried to spin and ended up doing a suds kill routine.  (I'll have to see if this happens with a big load of light colored towels in about 6 weeks or so.  After this bottle of Persil is gone, I have a bottle of Tide 10X Heavy Duty I got two weeks ago as it had a store coupon with it.  It doesn't suds up at all like the Persil with towels (and jeans).  but I love the scent of the Persil, the Tide doesn't have much of a scent to me. I found the Persil Stain Fighter cleaned a bit better than the Tide 10X Heavy Duty.  That's why I wanted to try the Persil one more time.   
 
Persil Plus Stain Fighter 2in1 with Odor Removal

Since have several bottles lying about spare cracked one open yesterday for testing. This even though still have not finished original Persil 2 in 1 purchased last year.

Scent wise things are more like Henkel's Persil from Germany.

Forth wise while things are sudsy in wash, first rinse they die down, by second and subsequent things are quite clear.

Odor removal wise, did a load of dress shirts (someone around here is a bit too liberal with scent), and it removed pretty much all traces of cologne. While ironing shirts noticed a faint "Persil" scent, but once dry and after airing nothing intolerable.
 
Rinsing

Rinsing is certainly NOT just a matter of washer performance and dosing.
I have had psoriasis for years, completely under control until a recent outbreak and I am having the devils own job of finding detergents that actually work but rinse out cleanly without leaving residue that makes my skin flare up.
These brands will be unfamiliar to people outside Australia, but it illustrates the point.
for a few years I exclusively used Abode laundry powder, it is created by a very small company and sold in a small number of places. It is expensive. When using it with active psoriasis my skin slowly calmed down. I used an LG front loader and always selected an extra rinse - total 4. Along with other steps I took to cut skin irritation, my skin settled right down and for years I had no psoriatic patches.
They changed the formula and I didn't think it cleaned as well. no irritation though.
I tried a couple of supermarket brands and found as long as I used the sensitive version, they were OK. not Aldi trimat though, I itched like crazy after using it. Most recently I had tried Bosistos Eucalyptus powder which makes a big deal in advertising about how easily it rinses out, leaving no residue. The Bosistos seemed to clean well but I was getting itchy - I love the smell of eucalyptus, but it can upset my skin.I had been itching a bit.

I always stuck to powders - Choice had found them to be better performers over the last few years.

More recently I started chasing better results on whites, which could often be a bit grey. A recent Choice test has several liquids as top performers including Dynamo, which is a popular Henkel brand. It was the second best performer out of dozens tested. I was interested to try a liquid, I wondered if detergents might have an advantage easier rinsing? (no residue of undissolved powder.)

I got some Dynamo Sensitive liquid. didn't seem to clean any better, and my itching stepped up to a new level. I tried a new Organic Choice whicch had several claims about being kind to sensitive skin, but I now have a red rash around my neck and shoulders, and get periodically itchy around my whole torso. I have started using a "fabric conditioner" which is supposed to neutralize any detergent residue, I used to use it with the Abode but stopped when my skin settled down years ago.

I have gone back to the old successful formula - Abode powder for wash, and fabric conditioner in the softener dispenser, and lots of extra rinsing.

Unfortunately my current washer, a Miele, doesn't offer a stand-alone rinse/spin program, so to get the extra rinses I do the wash on cottons 40, with fabric conditioner in the dispenser, when it had finished I then do an "express wash" which gives 3 more rinses. The Miele has a water plus option but even after I programmed it to do both extra rinse and higher rinse water levels, I was still itchy.
My skin is starting to improve, but I still have some clothes last washed with the evil liquids. I gathered all my shirts and washed them with no detergent, after 3 rinses I was still getting suds.

Some products have ingredients at are designed to resist rinsing and cling to the clothes - fluorescers to brighten are the main one. If they irritate your skin, they are a bugger to get rid of.
 
Hi Does your Miele not have the Allergy cycle option? If you are really in need of removing everything from your laundry I suggest you find a separate laundry emulsifier to remove any grease IE Fabric softener if you find some I did at a laundry suppliers they use it for table linen, You don't need much in with the detergent and you will find everything feels completely different like it did when it was new. I have great success with it and it rinses out ok but I have run an express wash afterwards if in doubt.
Also I would try giving the laundry that's next to your skin a wash only with no detergent after its finished its cycle when the wash has warmed and released any soap etc spin it out and dry while still warm. Its worth a shot to see if it helps.

Austin
 
How they test;

LAB-TESTED FOR YOUR WASHER
We tested over 50 detergents, liquids and pods, some of which are claimed to be gentle on sensitive skin or friendly to the environment, as you’ll see in our laundry detergent ratings.

First, we launder fabric swatches that are saturated with blood, body oil, chocolate, coffee, dirt, grass, and salad dressing. We use stains that are exceedingly hard to remove so that we can detect real differences among detergents. Even the best detergents can’t remove every stain completely.

Today's water and energy efficient washers are designed to operate using cooler water than traditional top-loaders from the 1990s. As wash cycles got cooler, the chemistry of detergents had to change in order for them to clean effectively. That's why we test using cool water. We wash swatches in two identical washers with each detergent, then allow the swatches to air-dry. (A dryer is out of the question because the heat can alter the stains.)

Testers use a colorimeter, a device that measures color intensity, to see how much of the stain remains on each dry swatch, compared with stained swatches that have been laundered using only water.

The best detergents we’ve tested earn an Excellent rating in removing body oil and dirt—common stains—but they can also tackle tougher ones, such as grass and blood. Hard water, which has a high mineral content, can reduce the effectiveness of some detergents. We test for that, too, as you'll see in our ratings.

The worst detergents? They're barely better than water when it comes to removing most stains.
 
Re depositing

The test is to determine which detergent performed best in removing each of the stains after the swatches were air dried. If by chance one of those detergents "re deposited" dirt on the swatches (clothes) after the final rinse then it goes to say that it would not have scored as high as it could, or against others. It's the final result that counts.
 
Allergy cycle

Hi Austin
no I don't have an allergy cycle. My machine is a W3831.
I have been doing as you suggest - a cottons wash, followed immediately afterwards by an express wash, with no detergent in the express wash.

I have never heard of a laundry emulsifer. Does it go in the wash or in the softener dispenser?
The fabric conditioner I have used says it isn't a softener, it is to neutralize any detergent residues. (Though the claims of fluffy towels on the bottle sound the same as a softener, but it isn't a waxy goo, it is a runny liquid.) But it is dispensed like a softener, in the final rinse so it isn't normally rinsed out. I don't like the idea of having any muck left in my clothes so I have been doing the express wash to rinse it out again. Skin seems to be on the mend so something is going right...
 
@gizmo

This is the emulsifier I bought its brilliant at removing all grease and oil from clothes and as I said earlier it makes them feel like new again before any FS was used.

I will look up your Miele model.

Austin

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PS

I forgot to mention you add a small amount to the detergent, I use a ball and put 2/3 detergent and 1/3 emulsifier it works well in that dosage.

I add extra rinse to the wash the last 2 Miele I have had included an allergy cycle the new one takes too long though as it does a 60 wash and holds it for 20 minutes then it does a 40 rinse to ensure nothing left behind.

Austin
 
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