New finds!

[philr]

Today I got 3 machines that I don't know a lot about. They'll require some work but I'm sure I'll find some help here. The first thing I'd like to know is their exact age!

 

I haven't done anything to the machines yet. The dishwasher is an Inglis Liberator and the washer/dryer set is an Inglis Superb. I think both are BOL model from their time but the washer/dryer still have lighted consoles. And according to the wiring diagram, an ozone lamp. 

 

The top loading dishwasher is quite interesting. I'm sure Paul and other members will tell me more about it!

I got these from a house that's been sold and I hope I'll get the Nutone vent hood that's still there!

 

 

[funktionalart]

Congrats!!

So I guess last weeks' story about having no money was a little white lie?!?!? HA!

 

[114jwh]

More like MOL...

Fantastic find - they look great! Belt drives that old have become scarce enough but to get a matched set - congratulations!!!

The Liberator line was the designation Inglis used for their BOL/price leader machines. Next up from that would be Superb (yours), then Sterling, then Citation and the TOL model was Royal from what I understand. They used these designations for years and years more or less.

Yours look to me to be 1965 or 1966.....once you locate the data plate (should be riveted to the back) and post the model number, that should help confirm the year. Should be a letter followed by three digits.

Once again congratulations Phil!!

 

[philr]

Absolutely not! 

I didn't get paid for over a year now! But I didn't pay much for these and they were just a few minutes away.

 

They do need repairs (at least the washer does) the dryer works, heats and the timer works too.

 

I didn't check anything but I think the wigwag is acting funny. It also makes strange noises. I have to look under that to see what's happening!

 

[philr]

Will take pictures of the data plates in a minute, here's a video showing the problem with the washer. 

 

 

[philr]

I didn't expect the dryer to have an ozone light!  Here are the model number plates of the 3 machines. 

 

[philr]

About names, I thought that the Liberator was still the wringer. Maybe they had an automatic version of the Liberator but I thought it was something introduced later. 

 

Here's an ad showing a Royal and a Liberator wringer from 1966.

 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...9MjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pVADAAAAIBAJ&pg=5726,1851171
 

I'm also curious about the dishwasher. What is it exactly? The impeller looks like a GE bowtie, the upper rack is a bit similar to the one in my 1965 Frigidaire Super (D&M) in the way the center section folds but the upper racks is held by the lower one. 

 

 

 

[philr]

OK, I found an ad showing a 1964 Liberator automatic.

 

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...1Tg0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=kPUIAAAAIBAJ&pg=5370,303115

 

[a440]

Great load with lot's of fun!
All of the machines look to be in great shape!

 

[hippiedoll]

love the lights!!!

the lighted consoles look neat with the dark & light like that.
very nice!!

i hope the washer is an easy fix for you!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!
on the matching pair....

)

 

[philr]

Thanks! 

 

[washdaddy]

Phil-
Great find on those machines. Does seem like your wigwag is outta whack since the agi has no problem wigging going counter clockwise but won't wag clockwise so to speak. Hopefully you just have a minor glitch to get it up and going back to its full glory.

Good luck with them

Rick

 

[philr]

I made a small video from the rear access cover. What's happening?!

 

 

[kenmoreguy64]

There is one maybe two things going on here...

First, the right-hand cam bar is moving in and out of position with the rotation of the wig-wag. This is not normal. This is also happening with the left cam bar in spin, making this even more abnormal. The agitate solenoid is not activated from what I can see, so the gearcase should be in neutral mode with no movement of the agitator. I can't say what is making the right side cam bar move --- it is possible that the plunger is stuck somehow and is taking it for a ride, or a jam or other internal condition is making the agitator gear and gear-fork move from the inside out. I don't know which.

Sliding this cam bar in and out of position seems to be causing the agitator shaft gear (inside the gearcase) to slip back and fourth over top of the drive tabs on the agitator shaft itself. That is what is making that popping noise you hear.

I feel there is a good chance that you have some internal gearcase damage, either a couple of broken springs on the gear fork and agitator gear, or worse.

The machine looks to have seen very little use based on the cleanliness of the gearcase cover, etc. I think some more testing (with video) would be helpful with the machine NOT in spin, that way we can see more of the full effect of the right cam bar situation without the machine engaging spin at the same time. Is that possible Phil?

Gordon[this post was last edited: 7/12/2014-03:36]

 

[114jwh]

D441

The "D" indicates a 1965 model year if I'm not mistaken (H would have been a 1966). The first 4 indicates a non-suds washer (a 5 here would be an equivalent suds version), the second 4 indicates model range (Superb 3 cycle for the washer) and not sure what the 1 means - I've only seen examples of 0. It may mean a second revision from the original.

The machines look to be in fantastic shape - congrats once again on the find. Hope you can get the washer back in working order!

 

[bajaespuma]

That Inglis Top Loading dishwasher IS interesting; a GE impeller, calrod heating unit, wire protector, lower rack combined with a Whirlpool detergent dispenser, tub, upper rack and exterior. How in the world did that happen????

 

[DADoES]

 
These Inglis/Whirly machines are always interesting!

 

[cornutt]

Dryer drum

Was Whirlpool still using the drums with the perforated backs at this point? I thought Whirlpool/Kenmore had switched to the stationary-back design in the early '60s. Did Inglis keep using the older design for a while?

 

[barcoboy]

Just from looking at the wig-wag video, it look like the spin cam bar isn't moving in and out like the wash cam bar is; can't see it in the first half of the video as it is blocked by the belt, but in the second half it doesn't seem to move, and right at the end you can see the solenoid drop down into the lower grove.

One other thing I notice though that could be a problem is that there doesn't seem to be any clutch slippage in spin at all... watch the speed of the belt throughout the video and listen to the motor starting.

 

[philr]

Gordon, thanks for the info. I'll investigate a bit more!

Ken,

I thought this dishwasher would have porcelain interior and a separate drain pump but that's not the case! The plastisol is almost white but I think it's light pink.

David,
Yes I think that Canadian machines used the perforated drum later than US machines. That probably includes Kenmore and some Canadian Whirlpool machines.

Todd,
I noticed that too. The belt slips... I guess I'll have to hunt for a parts donor!

 

[goatfarmer]

Nice finds, Phil!

 

[appnut]

Congratulatoins Phil.  Very very nice finds!!!!

 

[philr]

Thanks Kenny, Thanks Bob! 

 

I'm quite thrilled about them!

 

It looks like I'm going to have to pile some stuff up because I'm soon going to have other things!

 

Phil

 

[tomturbomatic]

Love the chrome Magic Mix filter with window

I notice in the dishwasher pictures that there is no stainless steel baffle in the area under the impeller like on GE dishwashers. That was added after the bowtie design was introduced and was at the 12 o'clock position, but in this it might be at the 3 o'clock position. It helped direct the drain water downward by stopping it from swirling up in the drain periods when the impeller was turning in reverse which could leave particles strewn around the bottom of the tub, like debris left by the waves on the beach.

The flatware basket looks like it is mounted as it would be in a Westinghouse, bringing a third manufacturer into the clean out the assembly line day at the plant.

I like the old Whirlpool agitator cap. If Inglis had started with an E instead of an I, the cap could have shared symbolism like the E in the eye exam chart, "Which direction is it pointing," up for Whirlpool and to the right for Englis. Oh well, that was not the only train missed.

 

[swestoyz]

Beautiful finds Phil!  The wash tub color and pattern is quite stunning.  Gordon's thoughts are certainly a good place to start.  I'm wondering too if the spring for the agitator shaft has also gone weak with the recent wig-wag craziness.

 

Ben

 

[pierreandreply4]

congratulation on your finding nice treasures if ever one day you fine a push to start pull to stop inglis librator washer with just a water temp knob with a black agitator inside speckle tub and brush lint filter my grand mother had the exact washer as her first washer while i was growing up so if you ever find such a model would love to see pictures it was a 3 cycle washer model

 

[jetcone]

Phil very nice finds

 I have to agree with Ben, that tub speckle pattern is amazing !! Along with that agitator too.

 

Love the "Inglis' lighted panels too !

 

 

[philr]

I haven't looked back at the washer but I studied some drawings I found on Internet and I'm wondering if by any chance the lever that switches the pump from recirculate to drain could be stuck in some way and cause that strange problem or does it have to be worse than that? The machine wasn't used for many years and it wasn't filled with water either.

 

It was still connected to the fill hoses but the valves were stuck in closed position so I didn't try it before I moved it out of the laundry room where it's been sitting since new. At the price I paid for it (and being advertised as non-working) I certainly didn't feel like testing it before buying! 

 

I'll try to investigate that more tomorrow but any advice would be appreciated! 

 

[jetcone]

BArocboy

is right that bar is not supposed to move back and forth , it gets shifted to one position or the other by the solenoid being engaged or not and then stays in that position until the next engagement of the solenoids.

 

So the bar should not move all the time. Either something is stuck between the solenoid plunger or in the tranny. 

 

 

 

[DADoES]

 
The pump flapper lever is passive, shifted by the agitate cam bar not vice versa ... so it shouldn't be causing the bar to move.

There's a tension spring piece that mounts on the tranny cover over the rear of the spin and agitate bars, applying pressure on them to constrain extraneous movement.  Maybe there's a problem with it.

Maybe the wigwag agitate plunger is just stuck in a half-way position that's pulling the bar along each time it wigs or wags.