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One thing I"m learning quickly as owner of new, large capacity laundry machines: the update reports have to wait longer because now it takes longer to accumulate enough laundry for a test load!

Two nights ago ran a load on "Casual" (perm press), which for me are my work clothes: khaki trousers and dress shirts from LL Bean, 100% cotton with wrinkle free finish. After washing, I placed the load in the dryer and the drying was completed in 33 minutes. I deliberately left the load in the dryer overnight, rather than immediately removing them (usual modus operandi), so I could test the Steam Refresh (or whatever it's called) cycle. THis is intended for clothing left in the dryer, or stuff that's been sitting in a laundry basket for weeks without being put away. The cycle takes 15 minutes and extended tumble (wrinkle guard) can be added on the end for a no-heat tumble to prevent wrinkles, if you cannot remove clothing at the exact end of cycle.

Clothes did not feel warm to touch and seemed to be room temperature. No wrinkles that I could see, they had the same appearance--in terms of wrinkles--as if I had removed them immediately from the dryer at the end of drying the day before. With the old Frig dryer, clothing like this not removed promptly from Perm Press cycle would show wrinkles---the solution was that dryer's Touch Up cycle on Low or Med heat---that dryer used heat in lieu of steam.

One thing I'm beginning to see about having a larger capacity washer---of course, it let's you wash larger objects (comforters) that previously had to go to the laundromat. However, now I'm beginning to see/appreciate the convenience of simply not having to run loads as often. With the Frig 2140 (former machine) I typically had to run a perm press load every four days. With the Electrolux, it can handle close to a week's worth of perm press, so I'll likely accumulate a full load every 6-7 days. Hence one load of this type a week instead of nearly two. Laundry is one of the few household tasks I actually don't mind doing, so running four loads a week total in the old days was not onerous to me, but it looks like I"ll only need to run 2-3 loads a week now instead of 3-5 like in the past. For families with kids, I can see now the attraction of the larger capacity machines, you can wash 50-70% more in the same amount of time.

Oddly, there is one feature I thought I'd be giving heavy use but which hasn't been used yet: delay wash. The 2140 had very simple delay wash: 8 hours delay or none. If I came home from work at 9 pm and wanted to go to bed soon, I'd set up a load to run at 5 am so it was ready to dry when I woke up at 6 am. The Electrolux allows delay wash up to 12 hours (on the low end it's 2 or 4 hours, can't remember), which normally would have resulted in my using Delay Wash more frequently. However, with laundry now becoming a once or twice a week activity, I may wind up using Delay Wash less often than I did in the old days. That's progress I suppose.
 
I have been looking at these Electrolux machines for some time now since I want to replace the stacked Frigidaire built GE's that I have. I want bigger capacity and better wash performance not to mention a bigger dryer. The front loader is relatively new and that will slide in the place of my SQ top loader aka the water hog. That machine I am going to put on Craigslist soon. It's going need another belt soon and the spin bearings are starting to get a bit noticeable.
Anyways I am glad that your liking them! It's either the Electrolux ones or LG Turbowash for me.
 
I like the GE line of Front load machines. I actually purchased a discontinued "China" model (PFWS4600LL) with steam assist. I think it does a great job with stain removal and spins beautifully (using the Adaptive Vibration Control settings).

The newer machines made here appear somewhat more solid when you look at the service manuals.

I love the overnight dry setting if for anything to keep the clothes moving if I can't be in the laundry room straight after the cycle completes.

The PFWS4600 is no longer produced and I got it on clearence for about 50% off at home depot. I thought it would be fun to give it a try. So far I haven't fired up the speed queen top loader. :-) (Although I better do that to keep the seals fresh.)

Anyway, try the GE. I also liked my Frigidaire front loader and from what I can tell have only gotten better.
 
One limiting factor in my selection was the fact that I have to stack my machines. Although they're in a garage and depth is not an issue, there is a city-required bollard (concrete-filled steel pipe, embedded in the slab) to protect the water heater/dryer/washer/furnace (three gas lines....) from a direct hit from a car. House was built 1988 when the FL market here was nearly nonexistent, so they placed the bollard smack in the middle of the washer space, on the assumption that there would always be a TL machine behind it. Pipe is 36" tall and blocks the door of every front loader sold, even atop a pedestal. Cutting down the pipe could cause building inspection issues if I ever tried to sell the house.

I decided instead to stack the machines in the unobstructed dryer space. This places an effective cap on the cabinet height, since I am of average height and the largest machines sold would produce a stack nearly 6'9" (208 cm). A bit too high to see/reach the dryer display and controls. My old Frig 2140 pair was perfect, the cabinets were 36" high with a 6'0" stack. I knew moving up in capacity would entail some give on the height issue, and for me Electrolux was a good compromise, affording a major increase in capacity for only 2" each in height. I chose to keep the doors---each of which are reversible---in the factory configuration, which worked best for my needs. I've read some reviews written by customers who could not fit any other make into their laundry space, thanks to the door reversibility, but as it turned out, I didn't need to re-hinge the doors.

All that said, I am delighted with the performance and features. My old Frig 2140 set still works great, never a service issue ever, and it's 8 1/2 years old. Hopefully my neighbor will give some good years from it. The Frig's track record offered some assurance that the Electrolux, from the same parent company, will prove just as reliable. Time will tell. In the meantime, performance is great.

Not sure where your laundry area is, but evidently Electrolux offers a "second floor guarantee" against vibration/noise, which I interpret to mean that they will buy back the machine if it doesn't work on a second story. I have friends with a century-old Victorian home with laundry on a first floor wooden floor (crawl space below it) who need a new laundry pair but were reticent to try a FL because of vibration issues. I learned about the guarantee after I bought my pair (a non issue for me with machines on a concrete garage floor) and they are seriously considering a new Electrolux pair, assuming that the second story guarantee is valid on a first story wooden floor.
 
Unfortunately, Electrolux and Frigidaire machines all rate only a 'Good' for resistance to vibration at Consumer Reports. They recommend choosing only machines with ratings of 'Very Good' or 'Excellent' for installation on anything other than concrete.

My 2010 Frigdaire is on concrete, so as with your Electrolux, Jim, vibration is not an issue in the least.

Hope the company lives up to its guarantee if your friend chooses an Electrolux and experiences vibration issues.
 
I am noticing WAY less vibration, and less noise, than on the Frig 2140. I'm aware that reviewers don't constitute a statistically valid sample, but several reviews I read were written by customers who chose Electrolux in part because of the second story guarantee...and all reported no noise/vibration issues at all. (i.e. they didn't choose Electrolux because it scored highest on CR, but because if vibration proved to be an issue, they could get a refund, which no other manufacturer offers...perhaps the CR reviews forced the company to do this to reassure people).

In final spin, I am noticing a muted degree of "jet engine whine", as I've heard on friends' machines in Europe (but louder in Europe), but virtually no vibration at all.
 
My laundry is in the basement so it sits on concrete...no vibration issues at all here. I did notice that at Home Depot that the Electrolux washer didnt have the larger blue wash vanes, they were rather like bumps. Height though is an issue for me since I can go up to 76 inches comfortably and a few more inches before it touches the floor joists. I too am average height at 5'10'' and I was looking at a GE stacked set, I could barely touch the back of the drum so to me if I got the GE's they would have to be side by side...and this was the 8 cuft dryer. I always open the dryer and see if I can touch the back because small items like socks and wash cloths tend to lodge there. The Maytag Neptunes that I had that were built by Samsung...rotten machines if you ask me...anyways I had to climb into the dryer to get the last bit of wash load out of the dryer...and it wasnt stacked.
To me the Electroluxes are the right combo of capacity and height. The LG's on the other hand, sweet jeezus they are tall. I do like the Turbowash feature and many have reported that linting is non existant. Thats an issue with me since we have 4 cats and I line dry in the spring and summer. I think as good sales are coming I am going to buy a new set soon.
 
Our laundry room is on the second floor. It sits on tile and the vibrations are barly there. Sometimes if the load is perfect there are 0 vibrations.
 
@nmassman44, washerdude

Now that I"ve done eight or so loads, I have noticed I really have to crouch and stretch to reach a small item (sock, underwear) that winds up in the far rear of the drum. This is a consequence of the machine now being 31" deep, rather than 27" deep, with arms the same length as before!! Not Electrolux's fault at all, though it makes me wonder someone shorter---with shorter arms---removes small items from the rear, whether the things are stacked, on pedestals, or right on the floor side by side. It's easier to remove things from the dryer, since the door is basically at chest height.

With the old Frig 2140, I could rotate the drum by hand and items would take a half turn and then fall from the top of the drum, sometimes landing closer to me. Haven't tried this yet with the Electrolux, but it might make those rear small items easier to snatch. For me, no other configuration is possible, since the bollard in front of what should be the washer space is tall enough to block the door of a FL machine, even if on a pedestal.

One option in the future might be to cut the bollard low enough to permit a door to swing atop a pedestal, without removing it entirely. The pedestals ($300 a piece...) are 15" high, and the distance from the bottom of the washer to the bottom of the door is 12", so if the 32" pipe were cut down by 6", say down to 26" high, it might still be tall enough to serve its purpose (protect the machines from a runaway car) while being tall enough that a future building inspector wouldn't notice the loss of height. I didn't consider this possibility because the pair after rebates cost roughly $1962, which was fine, but I wasn't in the mood to tack on another $600 to the price, as my budget was "under $2000". Note that this "solution" would not allow access to the contents of the washer pedestal's drawer, since it still would be unable to open due to the bollard----it would have to serve as a pedestal only.

Another issue, though solvable, is that I mounted a small white utility cabinet from Lowes

 


above the empty washer space; it would have to be remounted. I use it to store laundry supplies. Right now, the only thing beneath it is a table I use to fold laundry and support a laundry basket.

With a washer/pedestal beneath it, there is not enough clearance and it would have to be rehung four inches higher, at which point the highest shelf would become difficult to reach. This is why I like the stacked configuration, since it lets me use vertical space that otherwise would go unused, and lets me use the washer space behind the bollard (folding table below; add-on cabinet above) for storage/utility purposes. The cabinet affords storage space in lieu of pedestal drawer storage.

And there's another thing I don't get about pedestals: if the idea is to avoid stooping, don't you still have to stoop to remove or place items in the drawers? And assuming you store detergent and other supplies in them, you'd have to stoop to access them every time you run a load.

[this post was last edited: 11/23/2014-19:54]
 
Interesting reading, thanks for posting your experiences.  One thought, how about picking up a set of those grabbers some disabled folks use to pick stuff up off the floor for those odd moments when you have to reach too far into the dryer?  Easier and much cheaper than trying to redo your set-up...
 
Matt, I have a pair of those---used for my 100 gallon saltwater aquarium when reef rocks fall over, to keep my hands dry---and they may find service in the laundry area as well! Have to be careful because any laundry residue would not be good for them. Maybe buy a second pair for laundry only.
 
Washer update

There are three options for extra stain removal in this machine. One is Prewash. The second is Stain Removal. One of them involves starting with cool water and heating it to warm/hot; can't remember if that's prewash or stain removal. Anyway, third option is Add Steam. I"ve tried all three on my work clothing (100% cotton/no wrinkle fabrics from LL Bean) and find that the Add Steam option works best. The only issue I have wherein this washer (and the Frig 2140 that preceded it) are underarm stains. Most of the time not an issue because I wear white shirts only for dressy occasions. At work either a solid pastel or darker shirt, or else tattersall or university stripe where you can't see the stains due to the pattern.

Anyway, I opted for Add Steam as part of the Normal cycle. It adds about 15 minutes to the cycle. It does the best job of the three options, plus it likely uses less water because it's steam rather than a prewash. I am starting to avoid prewash for another reason. I tend to add several tbsps of borax to my wash detergent to aid in rinsing. Last time I used prewash, I found that some of the borax caked in the dispenser and wasn't carried down into the wash drum. My guess is that the prewash water must have moistened the powder in the main wash compartment, to where the water running through the dispenser couldn't move the powder out of the dispenser. So I think I'll be moving more in the direction of Add Steam when there are tough stains, rather than prewash (unless it's something you know has to be soaked in cold water, such as blood stains).
 
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