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I thought Viking is now making their own dishwashers??
I thought Viking is now making their own dishwashers??
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I never understood ...
... America's fascination with dishwashers.
Even when I was living at home with a big family (7 people), the whole scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying (because they never REALLY come out COMPLETELY dry) exercise took just as long if not longer than washing the darn things by hand.
And no one can convince me that spraying jets of water can come anywhere close to a good scrub brush when it comes to baked-on and dried-on food.
When I moved into my current apartment 7 years ago, it had been gut renovated with a brand-spanking new kitchen -- all new cabinets, floor, and appliances ... one of which was a dishwasher. That dishwasher has never washed a single dish -- I use it for storage.
... America's fascination with dishwashers.
Even when I was living at home with a big family (7 people), the whole scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying (because they never REALLY come out COMPLETELY dry) exercise took just as long if not longer than washing the darn things by hand.
And no one can convince me that spraying jets of water can come anywhere close to a good scrub brush when it comes to baked-on and dried-on food.
When I moved into my current apartment 7 years ago, it had been gut renovated with a brand-spanking new kitchen -- all new cabinets, floor, and appliances ... one of which was a dishwasher. That dishwasher has never washed a single dish -- I use it for storage.
iheartmaytag
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I use it for storage.
We each have our preferences. A dishwasher can wash,and yes dry dishes cleaner and way more sanitary than hand washing. A dishwasher uses water hotter than human hands can stand along with near caustic detergents that dissolve away and clean dishes as well as mama.
No longer quicker than hand washing,but with four of us kids at home,the GE Mobile Maid did a lot less talking back.
We each have our preferences. A dishwasher can wash,and yes dry dishes cleaner and way more sanitary than hand washing. A dishwasher uses water hotter than human hands can stand along with near caustic detergents that dissolve away and clean dishes as well as mama.
No longer quicker than hand washing,but with four of us kids at home,the GE Mobile Maid did a lot less talking back.
took just as long if not longer than washing the darn things
What did you do? Sit there and wait till the thing was done?
What did you do? Sit there and wait till the thing was done?
NO ...
... but by the time you factor in the scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying, it's just as fast (if not faster) to just wash them by hand in the first place.
And using water hotter than human hands can handle? Caustic detergents?
What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?
I use mine for FOOD. Presumably, the food I've put on my dishes -- and subsequently put into my body -- isn't so hazardous that I'd need to utilize industrial-strength hazmat procedures to clean up afterward.
... but by the time you factor in the scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying, it's just as fast (if not faster) to just wash them by hand in the first place.
And using water hotter than human hands can handle? Caustic detergents?
What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?
I use mine for FOOD. Presumably, the food I've put on my dishes -- and subsequently put into my body -- isn't so hazardous that I'd need to utilize industrial-strength hazmat procedures to clean up afterward.
Not sure what your point is, or why you come to a dishwasher thread when you don't use one, but I don't scrape or rinse my dishes and I don't dry them - my dishwasher does all that. In 160 degree water, put your hands in that. Why would I waste time and water doing dishes by hand? I have better things to do.
NYCWriter, you seem to have a HUGE misconception on your hands. There is no "fascination" with dishwashers. Your comments are made without research.
Yes, there are people out there that Pre-Rinse their dishes. I won't say "gluttons" as that might include members of this forum who have very good reason to Pre-Rinse in the first place (Lack of funds to replace current machine, Vermin problem not isolated to one's own home).
First of all, Provided you have a good dishwasher to start with, you DO NOT have to Pre-Rinse your dishes. Barely scrape, if that.
Loading the dishwasher shouldn't be a challenge for anyone, unless they are challenged to begin with, or use machines of differing design to others (E.g. DishDrawers).
Washing and Rinsing the dishes. This is where you make the most ridiculous comments of all, "And using water hotter than human hands can stand? Caustic detergents? What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?"
Well, if you consider that human hands can be scalded even at 120º, then I think you are seriously out of line here. You need to SUSPEND the grease compounds in the water, not swirl them around and leave them congealed all over the plates.
And following the Hot wash, your dishwasher actually does something called the RINSE PHASE. This rinses those "caustic compounds" off your dishes. Unless you use the cycle with only one rinse. This leaves your dishwasher and dishes CLEAN and FREE of residue, especially on machines rinsing 3 times following the wash. And right there is why I use the "Delicates" cycle on my machine, as I receive a 3rd rinse, but the machine takes about 15 minutes less on this cycle and still produce impeccable results even on the worst loads.
Drying your dishes: Machines today often don't have the option of heated drying, but you can still select the "Hi Temp Rinse" option and flash dry your dishes. You can save about 30 minutes of "fanning" the dishes right there and then, and dry all the dishes in about 5 minutes.
Concerning efficiency, dishwashers today are certainly VASTLY efficient to how I wash my dishes: I Rinse my plates, cutlery, cups, then wash them. I change the water in the sink OFTEN, so I am not washing in filth. I then thoroughly rinse the dishes following. A load of dishes would EASILY cost me around 100L of water. My DishDrawer does the same thing with just 10L of water (Delicates cycle. Normal uses less as it lacks 3 rinses) and about a KWh of electricity, at worst (22c for me). Guess what? Impeccable results all the time. Rarely do we ever re-wash anything. Our soils don't sit for days, but are still quite heavy to say the least.
Yes, there are people out there that Pre-Rinse their dishes. I won't say "gluttons" as that might include members of this forum who have very good reason to Pre-Rinse in the first place (Lack of funds to replace current machine, Vermin problem not isolated to one's own home).
First of all, Provided you have a good dishwasher to start with, you DO NOT have to Pre-Rinse your dishes. Barely scrape, if that.
Loading the dishwasher shouldn't be a challenge for anyone, unless they are challenged to begin with, or use machines of differing design to others (E.g. DishDrawers).
Washing and Rinsing the dishes. This is where you make the most ridiculous comments of all, "And using water hotter than human hands can stand? Caustic detergents? What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?"
Well, if you consider that human hands can be scalded even at 120º, then I think you are seriously out of line here. You need to SUSPEND the grease compounds in the water, not swirl them around and leave them congealed all over the plates.
And following the Hot wash, your dishwasher actually does something called the RINSE PHASE. This rinses those "caustic compounds" off your dishes. Unless you use the cycle with only one rinse. This leaves your dishwasher and dishes CLEAN and FREE of residue, especially on machines rinsing 3 times following the wash. And right there is why I use the "Delicates" cycle on my machine, as I receive a 3rd rinse, but the machine takes about 15 minutes less on this cycle and still produce impeccable results even on the worst loads.
Drying your dishes: Machines today often don't have the option of heated drying, but you can still select the "Hi Temp Rinse" option and flash dry your dishes. You can save about 30 minutes of "fanning" the dishes right there and then, and dry all the dishes in about 5 minutes.
Concerning efficiency, dishwashers today are certainly VASTLY efficient to how I wash my dishes: I Rinse my plates, cutlery, cups, then wash them. I change the water in the sink OFTEN, so I am not washing in filth. I then thoroughly rinse the dishes following. A load of dishes would EASILY cost me around 100L of water. My DishDrawer does the same thing with just 10L of water (Delicates cycle. Normal uses less as it lacks 3 rinses) and about a KWh of electricity, at worst (22c for me). Guess what? Impeccable results all the time. Rarely do we ever re-wash anything. Our soils don't sit for days, but are still quite heavy to say the least.
One does not need boiling water ...
... to dissolve grease. That's what SOAP is for.
And again, unless you are using your dishes and cutlery for waste products and not FOOD, there is absolutely no need for "caustic" detergents. They're dishes, not toilet bowls.
Of course, I also am not washing "in filth"; each dish is done one at a time under a stream of running water.
And I really don't give a rat's a** how much water it uses. I can afford it.
... to dissolve grease. That's what SOAP is for.
And again, unless you are using your dishes and cutlery for waste products and not FOOD, there is absolutely no need for "caustic" detergents. They're dishes, not toilet bowls.
Of course, I also am not washing "in filth"; each dish is done one at a time under a stream of running water.
And I really don't give a rat's a** how much water it uses. I can afford it.
xpanam
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TROLL ALERT!!!!!
"caustic" detergents???? "in filth"; And I really don't give a rat's a** how much water it uses. I can afford it.
"caustic" detergents???? "in filth"; And I really don't give a rat's a** how much water it uses. I can afford it.
Now I NEVER said anything about boiling water.
If you wash your dishes in a dishwasher with tepid water, YOU WILL NOTICE the difference. Detergent alone cannot suspend the grease in such a way that it stays off the dishes. You have to use the temperature to liquify the grease someone.
And quite honestly, your hand-washing detergent isn't all that much better. You still cannot swallow it and it will hurt if you do. Dishwasher detergent is MORE concentrated in order to do its job quickly and effectively.
If you wash your dishes in a dishwasher with tepid water, YOU WILL NOTICE the difference. Detergent alone cannot suspend the grease in such a way that it stays off the dishes. You have to use the temperature to liquify the grease someone.
And quite honestly, your hand-washing detergent isn't all that much better. You still cannot swallow it and it will hurt if you do. Dishwasher detergent is MORE concentrated in order to do its job quickly and effectively.
In regards to your water usage statement, WAKE UP. If you hadn't noticed, some people have water that costs considerably more than yours, mate. Our water is billed at various prices according to your usage. E.g. You use more than a certain amount, all water usage over that is billed at the higher rate. An exponential rate, if you like. I cannot quote the figure off the top of my head for our cost per Kilo-Litre, but I'm sure another Aussie member can chime in and give some sort of example.
You might be able to afford it, but at what cost? Running your tap constantly to wash/rinse all the dishes wastes soap, water and energy used to heat the water (This may cost other people in your "Co-Op.") If you were trying to be an "Eco-Nazi," you just failed epically.
You might be able to afford it, but at what cost? Running your tap constantly to wash/rinse all the dishes wastes soap, water and energy used to heat the water (This may cost other people in your "Co-Op.") If you were trying to be an "Eco-Nazi," you just failed epically.
Don't feed the troll....
ignore mode on.
ignore mode on.
ovrphil
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And now..back to the regularly scheduled program
Brought to by the "new" G.E. ....and if their products hold up after the no-cost warranty...that would be a start to the "new" G.E. I never liked the plastic fold down parts in a dishwasher or anything that takes up useable space...anyways, GE's website is pretty nice.
Brought to by the "new" G.E. ....and if their products hold up after the no-cost warranty...that would be a start to the "new" G.E. I never liked the plastic fold down parts in a dishwasher or anything that takes up useable space...anyways, GE's website is pretty nice.
This wash system actually seems like a good idea. At least in this graphical demonstration, the machine appears to be moving a decent amount of water. However, they still seem to follow GE's traditional volume over pressure rule - which is fine by me, as many everyday soils don't need to be pressure cleaned, just soaked off - so this system perhaps offers better cleaning and rinsing over other systems.
As for the bottle wash on this machine, like I said before, a complete gimmick. Just soak them in the sink for crying out loud. That way, you aren't "toxifying" your baby with un-rinsed detergent residue from poor dishwashing action.
In the example below, you might as well just wash your bottles in the upper rack where there IS water flow from the Tower-Wash on the GE. Even with "Lots 'O Spray," you are still going to have bottles that aren't reached.
But at least in this instance, the newer GE probably scores better for cleaning full, soiled loads than the cheap machine seen above... There is a noticeable improvement in water movement... Then again, you might not even need it!
As for the bottle wash on this machine, like I said before, a complete gimmick. Just soak them in the sink for crying out loud. That way, you aren't "toxifying" your baby with un-rinsed detergent residue from poor dishwashing action.
In the example below, you might as well just wash your bottles in the upper rack where there IS water flow from the Tower-Wash on the GE. Even with "Lots 'O Spray," you are still going to have bottles that aren't reached.
But at least in this instance, the newer GE probably scores better for cleaning full, soiled loads than the cheap machine seen above... There is a noticeable improvement in water movement... Then again, you might not even need it!
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Its a gimmick
GE has never ever made a good dishwasher. They have always been from mediocre to down right criminally awful. All I see is a weak system, the same high volume low pressure and Im sure the filtration system are a few meshes put about here and there. Its fun to watch one of those pretend to clean, but Im still not seeing something serious. Contractors and builder however will have more easy false hope to show off, as they are the major buyers of GE.
GE has never ever made a good dishwasher. They have always been from mediocre to down right criminally awful. All I see is a weak system, the same high volume low pressure and Im sure the filtration system are a few meshes put about here and there. Its fun to watch one of those pretend to clean, but Im still not seeing something serious. Contractors and builder however will have more easy false hope to show off, as they are the major buyers of GE.
iheartmaytag
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GE has never ever made a good dishwasher.
Au contraire--during the 70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines on the market. The GSD 1200 Potscrubber was the top. It wasn't until the reduced water usage, flimsier build, and general lack of interest by corporate for appliances did GE drop out of the running and was more or less reduced to "builder quality" machines.
The GE machine we have in the break room at work is a GE branded machine from China. It is quiet, takes half the day to do the cups and coffee pots, but does a decent job for the tasks it is assigned. Many take Mr writer's stance, It's easier to just hand wash them.
Au contraire--during the 70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines on the market. The GSD 1200 Potscrubber was the top. It wasn't until the reduced water usage, flimsier build, and general lack of interest by corporate for appliances did GE drop out of the running and was more or less reduced to "builder quality" machines.
The GE machine we have in the break room at work is a GE branded machine from China. It is quiet, takes half the day to do the cups and coffee pots, but does a decent job for the tasks it is assigned. Many take Mr writer's stance, It's easier to just hand wash them.
"70s and early 80s GE had the top rated machines"
Maybe in consumer reports, but there were models that out performed GE. Maytag, Whirlpool and Kitchen aid all had much better wash mechanisms.
Ive used a GSD 1200, and its not the same, yes better than a BOL, but still they were awfully sucky compared to others Ive used. They still have the pump the retains over half a gallon of water, weak shaded pole motor, rapid pre rinses, small filter system in the back that just drains through a weak check valve, pop up tower, high volume low pressure spray, a few large clumsy holes in the wash arm, a paper clip food chopper that usually just snaps off when something slightly hard goes through the oversized course filter. Older GEs also don't do a real thermal hold in the prewash, main wash and final rinse like Whirlpools. GE in the 70s briefly made a machine that had a wash arm on the upper rack and high water change outs to compensate for the water hold over however it seems they abandoned the design quickly even though they would make a machine that good for another 25 years.
Now, a Maytag, Whirlpool power clean module, or Hobart Kitchen aid with a 1/3 or 1/2 HP induction motor, chopper, large active fine self cleaning filter, powerful chopper, and a wash module with many well thought out parts can not even come close to any machine GE has ever made. Even D&M machines that had no filtration still had much stronger motors and even managed to get a wash arm for the upper rack. Even the top of the line machines by GE in the 70 and 80s had the obnoxious pop up tower. They only existed because builders bought them and admitantly they made really really good ovens (they still do) and the filter flos were not bad machines either. But their Dishwashers were always toys, most still are.
Maybe in consumer reports, but there were models that out performed GE. Maytag, Whirlpool and Kitchen aid all had much better wash mechanisms.
Ive used a GSD 1200, and its not the same, yes better than a BOL, but still they were awfully sucky compared to others Ive used. They still have the pump the retains over half a gallon of water, weak shaded pole motor, rapid pre rinses, small filter system in the back that just drains through a weak check valve, pop up tower, high volume low pressure spray, a few large clumsy holes in the wash arm, a paper clip food chopper that usually just snaps off when something slightly hard goes through the oversized course filter. Older GEs also don't do a real thermal hold in the prewash, main wash and final rinse like Whirlpools. GE in the 70s briefly made a machine that had a wash arm on the upper rack and high water change outs to compensate for the water hold over however it seems they abandoned the design quickly even though they would make a machine that good for another 25 years.
Now, a Maytag, Whirlpool power clean module, or Hobart Kitchen aid with a 1/3 or 1/2 HP induction motor, chopper, large active fine self cleaning filter, powerful chopper, and a wash module with many well thought out parts can not even come close to any machine GE has ever made. Even D&M machines that had no filtration still had much stronger motors and even managed to get a wash arm for the upper rack. Even the top of the line machines by GE in the 70 and 80s had the obnoxious pop up tower. They only existed because builders bought them and admitantly they made really really good ovens (they still do) and the filter flos were not bad machines either. But their Dishwashers were always toys, most still are.
iheartmaytag
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Gee for 29 years I never knew I had it so bad.
I am not here to defend GE as myself had grown quite discouraged with them over the years. My saleslady at Sear's said "I will sell you a GE range as their cooking appliances are still great." "I will not sell you a water using appliance from GE."
GE's much disliked power tower was very useful for washing the upper rack and blasting the silverware basket. The tower could affect the loading flexibility, but it did allow for better clearance from lower to upper rack without having to have middle spray arm in the pre-tall tub machines. Their turbo pumps could deliver a lot of water in a very short amount of time. Those holes in the wash arm were large but the water still came out with a good amount of pressure. The only repairs I can attest to with the GEs were the motor/pump seal and a worn out timer.
I replaced the last GE because of the timer issue, a new machine was cheaper than the new timer. I figured that a 15 year old machine something else was going to go soon, so I replace it.
Granted after Maytag changed the confusing reverse rack system they were decent washers. I owned two Maytags a Jetclean that I regret leaving behind when I sold the house and a "Quiet series 300" that I never should have bought. (I was told to buy a Whirlpool sourced machine at the time of that purchase by the lady at Lowe's) The latter was towards the end of Maytag's independent life and was pretty much short lived crap.
Was not then nor have I ever been the greatest fan of Whirlpool. Though I now own a Maytag-Whirlpool built Waher/Dryer and Kitchenaid, Whirlpool built dishwasher So far there have been no problems, knock stainless steel.
I am not here to defend GE as myself had grown quite discouraged with them over the years. My saleslady at Sear's said "I will sell you a GE range as their cooking appliances are still great." "I will not sell you a water using appliance from GE."
GE's much disliked power tower was very useful for washing the upper rack and blasting the silverware basket. The tower could affect the loading flexibility, but it did allow for better clearance from lower to upper rack without having to have middle spray arm in the pre-tall tub machines. Their turbo pumps could deliver a lot of water in a very short amount of time. Those holes in the wash arm were large but the water still came out with a good amount of pressure. The only repairs I can attest to with the GEs were the motor/pump seal and a worn out timer.
I replaced the last GE because of the timer issue, a new machine was cheaper than the new timer. I figured that a 15 year old machine something else was going to go soon, so I replace it.
Granted after Maytag changed the confusing reverse rack system they were decent washers. I owned two Maytags a Jetclean that I regret leaving behind when I sold the house and a "Quiet series 300" that I never should have bought. (I was told to buy a Whirlpool sourced machine at the time of that purchase by the lady at Lowe's) The latter was towards the end of Maytag's independent life and was pretty much short lived crap.
Was not then nor have I ever been the greatest fan of Whirlpool. Though I now own a Maytag-Whirlpool built Waher/Dryer and Kitchenaid, Whirlpool built dishwasher So far there have been no problems, knock stainless steel.
as Shania sang......a REGULAR ORIGINAL KNOW-IT-ALL.....translates into doesn't know JACK.....and hasn't since day one!!!....
definately explains why there's no credability!....
THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH!....
as for a bottle washer in a dishwasher....something like this?..worthless!.....a true test of a bottle washing capability, as JohnL has mentioned before, with great thought, let a used bottle of ketchup sit out for a few days to dry out, and then place in any dishwasher, and judge the cleaning results.....
I have done this in the UltraWash and DishDrawer, both times spotless....
is it always wise for a dishwasher to be too quiet?.....if the sensor doesn't catch it, how would you know that the spray arm is not spinning, until the cycle is complete, and you have to run it again!...I rather have some noise...
definately explains why there's no credability!....
THAT DON'T IMPRESS ME MUCH!....
as for a bottle washer in a dishwasher....something like this?..worthless!.....a true test of a bottle washing capability, as JohnL has mentioned before, with great thought, let a used bottle of ketchup sit out for a few days to dry out, and then place in any dishwasher, and judge the cleaning results.....
I have done this in the UltraWash and DishDrawer, both times spotless....
is it always wise for a dishwasher to be too quiet?.....if the sensor doesn't catch it, how would you know that the spray arm is not spinning, until the cycle is complete, and you have to run it again!...I rather have some noise...
