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But now we move on to the real TOL modells of vented dryers. Keep in mind, 9 of 10 German dryers are condensing ones:

The TOL German Miele vented dryer:
http://www.amazon.de/Miele-7934-Abl...0?s=appliances&ie=UTF8&qid=1378238015&sr=1-10

And the TOL US LG dryer:
http://www.amazon.com/LG-SteamDryer..._9?s=appliances&ie=UTF8&qid=1378238071&sr=1-9

Now, the german one does coast 770€ while the us one coasts 1200€. Now compare the dryers features:

The Miele speaks for relaibility, has all necessary functions and options and a honeycomp drum.

What the LG offers more is Steam, more space (rughly twice as much), and a few more cycles.

Now is this worth 430€ Dont think so and as the Miele will live longer then LG (you know it will), here we have a better price-for-value in germany.
 
Let's stick to one example, the mid range.

The AEG is €406.50. In American dollars that is $535.69

The Maytag is $599.99. So the Maytag is a bit more expensive.

The AEG is a 7kg model. $535.69 : 7 = $76.53 per kg capacity.

The Maytag with it's 7.4cu ft (210 liters!) capacity can at least dry 10kg of laundry. $599.99 : 10 = $59.99 per kg capacity.

So per kg capacity the Maytag is much cheaper!
 
Ofcourse the capacity matters!! A big fridge is more expensive than a small one too!

Don't bring the warranty into this matter, it depends on the store you buy things. Again it's comparing apples and pears. American stores are more tolerant when it comes to taking back things, much more than European stores. You have to know what you're comparing, otherwise it makes no sense at all!
 
Yeah, but as the WARRANTY is something other then takeing back things you bought. The warranty is written down in the German law, and of course, the companys will let you pay for that. While the US only has a 12 month warranty, they dont have that much warranty cals.
And as it is know: YOU have to know what you are talking about.
 
LG with 7.4 cu. ft.

This is 210 litres as Louis stated correctly. I assume this is a lot bigger than the standard Euro dryers?
 
Yes of course, it is round about 100l more, but then, again, as he hisself said, if something like bigger drums in dryers or the condenser version of a dryer is more common in any state, it get's cheaper because it is more common. That's the same both in the US and the EU, so this neutralisizes itself again.
But his argument that 2 different warranty-times make it even more hard to compare is just non sense:
In the price for value system, that is just like any other point that has to be mentioned: One time, you get more metal for you money, the other time, you get more warranty for your monney.
 
Back on topic

So, is GE more a kind of a BOL manufacturer? As I've written, EU makers of appliances are more conservative when it comes to gimmickery...

Or is there anything really new on IFA '13 besides less energy and water consumption?
 
10 years ago...

About 10 years ago I bought a 30" Dacor Dishwasher. It had spray arms on the bottom, middle, and the top. All were full sized. The best thing about it though was it also had spray tubes (like the real GM Frigidaire) under the upper rack. It was the quietest dishwasher with the best washability that I've ever owned. Unfortunately the good people at Dacor couldn't make them not leak at the corner of the door. They bought the machines back from me, paid to have the cabinet modified for a regular sized dishwasher, and let me keep the machines. Didn't take me long to figure out how to make them not leak! I installed one in my laundry room and use it to clean my electronic air cleaners. Love that dishwasher. The spray tubes really made the difference! Mark
 
A real Ameriacan TOL manufacturer

is not available anymore on the American dishwasher market.

 

Not true at all.  The USA is home to HOBART!  While they only build commercial dishmachines, potwashers and glasswashers,  their machines are better built and better performing than that of ANY other make domestic or commercial!

 

There is also the KitchenAid brand which are TOL domestic machines.  Founded by Hobart and now a TOL WP line.  

WK78
 
I never understood ...

... America's fascination with dishwashers.

Even when I was living at home with a big family (7 people), the whole scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying (because they never REALLY come out COMPLETELY dry) exercise took just as long if not longer than washing the darn things by hand.

And no one can convince me that spraying jets of water can come anywhere close to a good scrub brush when it comes to baked-on and dried-on food.

When I moved into my current apartment 7 years ago, it had been gut renovated with a brand-spanking new kitchen -- all new cabinets, floor, and appliances ... one of which was a dishwasher. That dishwasher has never washed a single dish -- I use it for storage.
 
I use it for storage.

We each have our preferences. A dishwasher can wash,and yes dry dishes cleaner and way more sanitary than hand washing. A dishwasher uses water hotter than human hands can stand along with near caustic detergents that dissolve away and clean dishes as well as mama.

No longer quicker than hand washing,but with four of us kids at home,the GE Mobile Maid did a lot less talking back.
 
NO ...

... but by the time you factor in the scraping/rinsing/loading/unloading/drying, it's just as fast (if not faster) to just wash them by hand in the first place.

And using water hotter than human hands can handle? Caustic detergents?

What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?

I use mine for FOOD. Presumably, the food I've put on my dishes -- and subsequently put into my body -- isn't so hazardous that I'd need to utilize industrial-strength hazmat procedures to clean up afterward.
 
Not sure what your point is, or why you come to a dishwasher thread when you don't use one, but I don't scrape or rinse my dishes and I don't dry them - my dishwasher does all that.  In 160 degree water, put your hands in that.  Why would I waste time and water doing dishes by hand?  I have better things to do.
 
NYCWriter, you seem to have a HUGE misconception on your hands. There is no "fascination" with dishwashers. Your comments are made without research.

 

Yes, there are people out there that Pre-Rinse their dishes. I won't say "gluttons" as that might include members of this forum who have very good reason to Pre-Rinse in the first place (Lack of funds to replace current machine, Vermin problem not isolated to one's own home). 

 

First of all, Provided you have a good dishwasher to start with, you DO NOT have to Pre-Rinse your dishes. Barely scrape, if that. 

 

Loading the dishwasher shouldn't be a challenge for anyone, unless they are challenged to begin with, or use machines of differing design to others (E.g. DishDrawers). 

 

Washing and Rinsing the dishes. This is where you make the most ridiculous comments of all, "And using water hotter than human hands can stand? Caustic detergents? What the hell are you people putting on your dishes? Ebola experiments?"

Well, if you consider that human hands can be scalded even at 120º, then I think you are seriously out of line here. You need to SUSPEND the grease compounds in the water, not swirl them around and leave them congealed all over the plates. 

 

And following the Hot wash, your dishwasher actually does something called the RINSE PHASE. This rinses those "caustic compounds" off your dishes. Unless you use the cycle with only one rinse. This leaves your dishwasher and dishes CLEAN and FREE of residue, especially on machines rinsing 3 times following the wash. And right there is why I use the "Delicates" cycle on my machine, as I receive a 3rd rinse, but the machine takes about 15 minutes less on this cycle and still produce impeccable results even on the worst loads. 

 

Drying your dishes: Machines today often don't have the option of heated drying, but you can still select the "Hi Temp Rinse" option and flash dry your dishes. You can save about 30 minutes of "fanning" the dishes right there and then, and dry all the dishes in about 5 minutes. 

 

Concerning efficiency, dishwashers today are certainly VASTLY efficient to how I wash my dishes: I Rinse my plates, cutlery, cups, then wash them. I change the water in the sink OFTEN, so I am not washing in filth. I then thoroughly rinse the dishes following. A load of dishes would EASILY cost me around 100L of water. My DishDrawer does the same thing with just 10L of water (Delicates cycle. Normal uses less as it lacks 3 rinses) and about a KWh of electricity, at worst (22c for me). Guess what? Impeccable results all the time. Rarely do we ever re-wash anything. Our soils don't sit for days, but are still quite heavy to say the least. 
 
One does not need boiling water ...

... to dissolve grease. That's what SOAP is for.

And again, unless you are using your dishes and cutlery for waste products and not FOOD, there is absolutely no need for "caustic" detergents. They're dishes, not toilet bowls.

Of course, I also am not washing "in filth"; each dish is done one at a time under a stream of running water.

And I really don't give a rat's a** how much water it uses. I can afford it.
 
Now I NEVER said anything about boiling water. 

 

If you wash your dishes in a dishwasher with tepid water, YOU WILL NOTICE the difference. Detergent alone cannot suspend the grease in such a way that it stays off the dishes. You have to use the temperature to liquify the grease someone. 

 

And quite honestly, your hand-washing detergent isn't all that much better. You still cannot swallow it and it will hurt if you do. Dishwasher detergent is MORE concentrated in order to do its job quickly and effectively. 
 
In regards to your water usage statement, WAKE UP. If you hadn't noticed, some people have water that costs considerably more than yours, mate. Our water is billed at various prices according to your usage. E.g. You use more than a certain amount, all water usage over that is billed at the higher rate. An exponential rate, if you like. I cannot quote the figure off the top of my head for our cost per Kilo-Litre, but I'm sure another Aussie member can chime in and give some sort of example. 

 

You might be able to afford it, but at what cost? Running your tap constantly to wash/rinse all the dishes wastes soap, water and energy used to heat the water (This may cost other people in your "Co-Op.") If you were trying to be an "Eco-Nazi," you just failed epically. 
 

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