Have to chime in on this one....I also have a Kenmore Elite TT dishwasher with Turbo zone and Smart Wash. It is, by far, the best cleaning d/w I have ever had.... I do think the Kenmore/W/P wash arm does a better job than the 4 way hydro-sweep of the Kitchenaid. For the price of a Kenmore on sale...hard to beat. I had the first generation Kenmore Elite tall tub...gave it to my cousin, no complaints yet, though I do miss the digital countdown display.
new kenmore elite drawer dishwasher not cutting it....
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Did not one of the members here recently have a new KithchenAid TT installed to replace a Bosch? I think it was BobDerigis?
Let's actually find out how these newer WP made products are peforming by asking the folks on this site who own them.
Are they really all s***?
Let's actually find out how these newer WP made products are peforming by asking the folks on this site who own them.
Are they really all s***?
toggleswitch
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~I've very rarely had a dish come out with something stuck to it.
But how are your drinking glasses?
Granted, my machine is a few years of age, but the film and grit it leaves behind in items loaded in the upper rack is absolute yuk!
I've got som STPP in mine rignt now for the first time. Let's see if that helps.
Maybe the newer models have been corrected. Did anyone say they were?
But how are your drinking glasses?
Granted, my machine is a few years of age, but the film and grit it leaves behind in items loaded in the upper rack is absolute yuk!
I've got som STPP in mine rignt now for the first time. Let's see if that helps.
Maybe the newer models have been corrected. Did anyone say they were?
toggleswitch
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The STPP was great!
So does anyone know if/when the tall-tubs were *COUGH* improved / re-engineered / corrected?
So does anyone know if/when the tall-tubs were *COUGH* improved / re-engineered / corrected?
Hi Steve,
They have had some problems with bad wash motors on the K/A d/w's. Also the food grinder screen could be clogged, and that will affect washability. I do get an occasional dirty glass in the corners of the upper rack, but overall it cleans well, and I don't prerinse; dishes go from the table to the d/w. Enzyme detergents are needed in these machines as well.
They have had some problems with bad wash motors on the K/A d/w's. Also the food grinder screen could be clogged, and that will affect washability. I do get an occasional dirty glass in the corners of the upper rack, but overall it cleans well, and I don't prerinse; dishes go from the table to the d/w. Enzyme detergents are needed in these machines as well.
Tom, I did your dishwasher test. I have a Bosch SHX46A07UC/26 that is now a year old. Tonight I used the Power Scrub Plus cycle with Cascade/w dawn and some of these dishes were sitting in here since Sunday. The book says at 140 degrees it should take 136 minutes. I took the temp of the water coming out of the faucet and it was 151 degrees. I started the dw at 7:15PM and if finished at 9:00PM. So it took only 105 minutes to complete and they are spotless as always. Here is a picture of the before lower rack(does this rank as a bobload®)
Here is a picture of the before upper rack(does this rank as a bobload®)
Wow, surprised the "disposeable" plastic container int he bottom rack doesn't fly all over the place. Yes, it qualifies.
No matter what anyone says about GE, they have always made fantastic dishwashers. True, the old ones were loud but they have improved this significantly over the past couple years. They are reliable workhorses and do a great job cleaning dishes.
At the other end of the spectrum are Frigidaire/Westinghouse/Kelvinator. These really are lousy, poorly built machines.
I've never been happy nor had any luck with Maytag/Amana/Jenn Air/Magic Chef either although some swear by them. These will probably be built on a Whirlpool platform in the future anyway with the dissolve of Maytag.
Whirlpool/Kitchen Aid/Kenmore/Inglis seem OK. I've never had much trouble with them and they seem to do a satisfactory job of cleaning.
At the other end of the spectrum are Frigidaire/Westinghouse/Kelvinator. These really are lousy, poorly built machines.
I've never been happy nor had any luck with Maytag/Amana/Jenn Air/Magic Chef either although some swear by them. These will probably be built on a Whirlpool platform in the future anyway with the dissolve of Maytag.
Whirlpool/Kitchen Aid/Kenmore/Inglis seem OK. I've never had much trouble with them and they seem to do a satisfactory job of cleaning.
toggleswitch
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Are the Bosch as deep as we are accustomed to?
Steve,
depending on when you bought you WP dishwasher, there may be a redesigned spray arm available.
From ServiceMatters.com:
KITCHENAID TALL TUB DISHWASHER
Models: KUD01, Serial Code Range: FK28 – FL48
Condition: Customer complains of grit on glasses, poor washability and/or food re-deposited on glasses in the upper rack especially in the corners.
Cause: The upper spray arm is not allowing water to be directed to the corners of the rack, especially if glasses are loaded in an upright position.
Resolution: The upper rack spray arm has been redesigned to improve water spray to all corners of the upper rack. Order and install upper rack spray arm, Part Number 8269022. NOTE: Poor washability may be caused by a number of conditions, such as improper loading, water temperature/ water level too low, detergent/rinse aid dispenser not working properly, etc. It is important to check these other conditions along with the spray arm replacement.
February 2002
BTW: the same applies to Whirlpool TT's: Models: GU1200XT, GU1500XT, GU2300XT, Serial Code Range: Prior to FL48, spare part Number 8269024. (April 2002)
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@ Mike: yeah, those Bosch dishwashers are great
)
Alex
depending on when you bought you WP dishwasher, there may be a redesigned spray arm available.
From ServiceMatters.com:
KITCHENAID TALL TUB DISHWASHER
Models: KUD01, Serial Code Range: FK28 – FL48
Condition: Customer complains of grit on glasses, poor washability and/or food re-deposited on glasses in the upper rack especially in the corners.
Cause: The upper spray arm is not allowing water to be directed to the corners of the rack, especially if glasses are loaded in an upright position.
Resolution: The upper rack spray arm has been redesigned to improve water spray to all corners of the upper rack. Order and install upper rack spray arm, Part Number 8269022. NOTE: Poor washability may be caused by a number of conditions, such as improper loading, water temperature/ water level too low, detergent/rinse aid dispenser not working properly, etc. It is important to check these other conditions along with the spray arm replacement.
February 2002
BTW: the same applies to Whirlpool TT's: Models: GU1200XT, GU1500XT, GU2300XT, Serial Code Range: Prior to FL48, spare part Number 8269024. (April 2002)
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@ Mike: yeah, those Bosch dishwashers are great
)Alex
Toggle,
Yes you are correct, the Bosch is not as deep as my 80's KA Superba or my Frigidaire Gallery. For example I could get another 5 coffee mugs or drinking glasses in the top rack and the spacing of the tines in the lower rack make it difficult to load our cereal bowls. The silverware basket is smaller, but what I do like about it is you can put it anywhere in the upper or lower rack. I bought the knife rack in the left of the upper rack as an option.
Mike
Yes you are correct, the Bosch is not as deep as my 80's KA Superba or my Frigidaire Gallery. For example I could get another 5 coffee mugs or drinking glasses in the top rack and the spacing of the tines in the lower rack make it difficult to load our cereal bowls. The silverware basket is smaller, but what I do like about it is you can put it anywhere in the upper or lower rack. I bought the knife rack in the left of the upper rack as an option.
Mike
nmaineman36
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drawers
here is a BobLoad Fisher and Paykel style
here is a BobLoad Fisher and Paykel style
nmaineman36
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Bottom drawer
pic of the lower drawer
pic of the lower drawer
Bob,
That plastic container did not even move. Also suprisingly all my plastic and Tupperware stuff comes out completely dry when the dw beeps when finished. The condensation drying really works. It does like to drink alot of Jet Dry. After having it a year, I have checked the filter and even though I never pre-rinse, I have never found anything in the filter to clean out. I would buy another one.
Mike
That plastic container did not even move. Also suprisingly all my plastic and Tupperware stuff comes out completely dry when the dw beeps when finished. The condensation drying really works. It does like to drink alot of Jet Dry. After having it a year, I have checked the filter and even though I never pre-rinse, I have never found anything in the filter to clean out. I would buy another one.
Mike
What is the definition of the word "cavitating"? Sounds like advanced tooth decay!
toggleswitch
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Runnin' on empty!
I've got gas..........
I cavitate
you cavitate
He cavitates
We cavitate
You (plural) cavitate
They cavitate
http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Cavitation
I've got gas..........
I cavitate
you cavitate
He cavitates
We cavitate
You (plural) cavitate
They cavitate
http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Cavitation
toggleswitch
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Thank you both, Alex and Mike for your kind replies and information.
revvinkevin
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Don't Euro DW's heat the water from cold like the Eu
Greetings to all!
(thought I'd add my 3 cents worth here)
When we bought our house 8 ½ years ago, it came with a Brand New B.O.L Frigidaire DW, so new it still had the shipping material inside. This was the absolute very bottom as B.O.L you could get (Less then $180 at that time) and had no upper spray arm, only the pop-up "spray tower". I quickly came to realize that, unless I pre-washed anything going into the top rack, it would NOT be clean once the machine completed it's cycle. ARRRG!
After 6 or 7 months of frustration from using a machine that would actually clean items placed only in the bottom rack, I bought and installed a new Kitchenaid tall tub DW. It was either the B.O.L. or the next model up, but I have been MUCH happier with this one!
Yes I do agree that mugs or glasses placed in the extreme corners of the upper rack will, about 75% of the time have sediment/residue in or on them. But I came up with a very simple solution, simply DON'T put glasses in the extreme corners of the upper rack. Ta-da, problem solved!
Yes, one time a casserole dish with lots of crusty, baked on guk did not come out completely clean, BUT that was only because I neglected to run it on the "heavy" cycle.
I have had no other problems in 8 years and have been very happy with it's performance! Also I don't really notice any issues with long cycle times, I usually start it before going to bed. While it may not be as dead silent as a Bosch, Asko or Miele, it is very quiet over all!.
On detergents, I use a powder. I have tried liquids/gels, but for what ever reason (can't explain it) I don't care for them. I have use Costco (Kirkland brand) for a few years and the last couple boxes were Electa-Sol.
Greetings to all!
(thought I'd add my 3 cents worth here)
When we bought our house 8 ½ years ago, it came with a Brand New B.O.L Frigidaire DW, so new it still had the shipping material inside. This was the absolute very bottom as B.O.L you could get (Less then $180 at that time) and had no upper spray arm, only the pop-up "spray tower". I quickly came to realize that, unless I pre-washed anything going into the top rack, it would NOT be clean once the machine completed it's cycle. ARRRG!
After 6 or 7 months of frustration from using a machine that would actually clean items placed only in the bottom rack, I bought and installed a new Kitchenaid tall tub DW. It was either the B.O.L. or the next model up, but I have been MUCH happier with this one!
Yes I do agree that mugs or glasses placed in the extreme corners of the upper rack will, about 75% of the time have sediment/residue in or on them. But I came up with a very simple solution, simply DON'T put glasses in the extreme corners of the upper rack. Ta-da, problem solved!
Yes, one time a casserole dish with lots of crusty, baked on guk did not come out completely clean, BUT that was only because I neglected to run it on the "heavy" cycle.
I have had no other problems in 8 years and have been very happy with it's performance! Also I don't really notice any issues with long cycle times, I usually start it before going to bed. While it may not be as dead silent as a Bosch, Asko or Miele, it is very quiet over all!.
On detergents, I use a powder. I have tried liquids/gels, but for what ever reason (can't explain it) I don't care for them. I have use Costco (Kirkland brand) for a few years and the last couple boxes were Electa-Sol.
toggleswitch
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Call the moyel.
In Sears I saw some Kenmore Tall-tubs. The upper spray-arms now have a large spray-hole visible at the end.
Apparently the upper wash-arm in my KitcheAid tall tub LACKS a spray-hole at the very tip (OY LOL).
Have drill will travel.
I wonder how much time and money it took an engineer to figure this out!
In Sears I saw some Kenmore Tall-tubs. The upper spray-arms now have a large spray-hole visible at the end.
Apparently the upper wash-arm in my KitcheAid tall tub LACKS a spray-hole at the very tip (OY LOL).
Have drill will travel.
I wonder how much time and money it took an engineer to figure this out!
jasonl
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I'll show you mine if you show me yours
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huhu huhu huhu huhu
problem solved
the drawer dishwasher was looked at by a technician, and he noted it was a manufacturer defective maching.. i knew i wanst nuts... returned it and bought a bosch... again....hey everyone, thanks for your responses. they helped a lot...
the drawer dishwasher was looked at by a technician, and he noted it was a manufacturer defective maching.. i knew i wanst nuts... returned it and bought a bosch... again....hey everyone, thanks for your responses. they helped a lot...
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The spray arm was revised in late 2001.
toggleswitch
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Added two spray holes of approximatley the same size as the others. One near the tip, the other 1/4 of the way in.
Was conscious of the couter-clockwise (anti-clocklwise) rotation of the spray-arm to ensure the 45* angle of the new hole "helps" rather than "fights" the rotation.
What I have most likley accomplished is that there is now not enough pressure/force to wash anything well. LOL
We shall see!
Was conscious of the couter-clockwise (anti-clocklwise) rotation of the spray-arm to ensure the 45* angle of the new hole "helps" rather than "fights" the rotation.
What I have most likley accomplished is that there is now not enough pressure/force to wash anything well. LOL
We shall see!
Seriously?
So, Hobart comes out with the KitchenAid 18 series with the top wash-arm after years of bottom-wash-arm-only configurations, and they put a shorty up in the top rack with no jets at the ends.
Result: Yiblets in the far-corner glasses. Glasses encrusted, even COATED in crumbs, toothpicks, used tissues, and meat gristle. There's rioting in the streets, and hundreds of dishwashers are flipped-over and set ablaze.
Customers complain, Hobart learns a lesson, and releases a revised upper rack with a wash arm that's lengthier and has VERY pronounced jets at the tips. Whirlpool acquires KitchenAid from Hobart, and continues this basic design for a long time, so we know that the idea of the idea was still there.
And yet, they had to learn this all over again?
*chuckle*
So, Hobart comes out with the KitchenAid 18 series with the top wash-arm after years of bottom-wash-arm-only configurations, and they put a shorty up in the top rack with no jets at the ends.
Result: Yiblets in the far-corner glasses. Glasses encrusted, even COATED in crumbs, toothpicks, used tissues, and meat gristle. There's rioting in the streets, and hundreds of dishwashers are flipped-over and set ablaze.
Customers complain, Hobart learns a lesson, and releases a revised upper rack with a wash arm that's lengthier and has VERY pronounced jets at the tips. Whirlpool acquires KitchenAid from Hobart, and continues this basic design for a long time, so we know that the idea of the idea was still there.
And yet, they had to learn this all over again?
*chuckle*
toggleswitch
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Hold the Yiblets, Please.
~What I have most likely accomplished is that there is now not enough pressure/force to wash anything well. LOL
Nah.........So far, so good.
~What I have most likely accomplished is that there is now not enough pressure/force to wash anything well. LOL
Nah.........So far, so good.
Congratulations Steve!!!
kenmore drawer
Hi Steve,
What do you actually plan on doing with this dishwasher? Believe me I know what it's like to be totatly discusted with a appliance. With all that is out their it's like playing russian roulet when purchasing a appliance.
Peter
Hi Steve,
What do you actually plan on doing with this dishwasher? Believe me I know what it's like to be totatly discusted with a appliance. With all that is out their it's like playing russian roulet when purchasing a appliance.
Peter
toggleswitch
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Banish it to *flea-pay!*
~What do you actually plan on doing with this dishwasher?
You could always hack it into a hundred pieces with an axe and blame it on PMS.
~What do you actually plan on doing with this dishwasher?
You could always hack it into a hundred pieces with an axe and blame it on PMS.
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