NEW - KitchenAid Dishwashers with Windows

[mrb627]

Imagine

The service calls that will come from people complaining the lights don't come on during washing. Wonder how many will be returned? At $2K, it would piss me off if it didn't perform as expected...

Malcolm

 

[tomturbomatic]

When you turn it on the light inside should turn on like the radio's dial light in Christine.

 

[logixx]

Manual now online

https://access.whirlpool.com/wdl/ws/file/09001a50802d3244/dl/pdf

 

[henene4]

Rinse only

8.1 l for a 15 minute rinse? Are you kidding?

 

[jerrod6]

Thanks for posting links to manual but boy

The cycle times are just something else.

So for baked on soil the max time would be 3 hours 59 minutes - ok 4 hours. Except that if you look down further in the manual you see that if you use the hi temp option it will add more time and if you add the pro scrub option that will add 30 to 40 minutes more. Maybe I am not understanding that correctly.

There is an express cycle which is good and it lasts up to 62 minutes but the manual says to add the pro dry option for best performance and this option increases the time 32 minutes. So a bit over 1 hour and a half - not too bad but 5 gallons of water.

One thing I really don't understand is the min max times. I don't understand this because there only seems to be one one soil sensing cycle so I understand increasing time for more soil, but the rest of the cycles don't have this, so what is causing a min-max time?

The manual does explain more time is required for energy efficiency but then tells you to run hot water to the machine. You pay before it goes in or you pay after it goes in. Most people don't have my situation of having to run 2 gallons of water to the sink before getting hot water, but given that I would rather pay to heat cold water in the machine than do this so having this machine would most likely be no savings for me.

I note that the tough baked on food cycle takes 4 hours - even more if I add hi temp or pro dry options. The last time I ran my cheese cycle(burned on cheese casserole) it took 2 hours 40 minutes - that was with incoming water of 63F so I am a bit bummed at the time this would take even after running hot water to the machine. I mean over half of a work day to wash heavy soiled dishes?

It's seems we move forward - we move backward.

Anyone know what the projected lifespan of this Dw is and how much it costs?

 

[washer111]

If you heat your water with anything but electricity, running probably saving something. I run about 1.5 gallons on average each cycle, and still see moderate savings in electricity.

 

[logixx]

"anybody know how much it costs?"

KDTM804ESS - MSRP $2,049
KDTM384ESS - MSRP $1,249

 

[murando531]

The sensors in Whirlpool machines are used throughout all cycles besides the Quick/Express and of course Rinse & Hold cycles. The Min-Max times are just that: the minimum time the cycle will run, and vice versa. The times are all measured by algorithms depending on the readouts from the optical sensor at certain points throughout the cycle. At the beginning, a low soil reading could progress the prewash straight into the main wash, and likewise a heavy soil reading can add prewashes and prerinses, add time to the main wash, and add rinses as well. The sensor usually activates in the first rinse, and then calibrates in the final rinse.

 

[appnut]

It also says adding multiple options, such as high-temp & sani-rinse, are not cumulative. 

 

[norgeway]

Re vintage Kitchen Aid...

Kitched Aid had a magazine ad in the early 60s of one of their top loading portables running with the lid open, water shooting 10 to 15 feet in the air!!!!I bet a new one wouldn't reach 10 to 12 inches!!! What a joke!,,Just like washing clothes, you have to use water to wash, no matter if the government likes for you to or not!

 

[mrb627]

Hmmm...

I skimmed the manual. No mention of tub light (when or how it works)
No mention of the purpose of the window either.

Geared whirly-gig wash-o-copter thingy might prove to be a source of failure.

Any other makes on the market with a motorized wash arm drive?

Malcolm

 

[henene4]

Only the WaterWall comes to my mind. All others are still driven by water pressure. But isn't the Kenmore or Whirlpool with these adjusting sprays geared?

 

[logixx]

The video above mentioned that the light will come on when the door is open and as a cycle done indicator. Kenmore's 360 PowerWash spray arm uses the same motor for the lower arm.

 

[washman]

looks like a joke to me

as is the case with most eco-sanctioned machines these days.

When my eco-approved GE switches to the top arm (after multiple starts/stops) you can barely hear the water hitting the machine or the dishes.

The new digs have a Frigidare. I suppose I'll see how well it works. Wonder if I am committed to using a specific brand of detergent in it?

 

[murando531]

Another inside view of "new" KitchenAids

Found this while checking out some of Reviewed.com's other videos.

I find myself hating this WP design less and less as videos like this surface, but still, it's definitely no PowerClean or Voyager, and most certainly not a Hobart. It is nice to see the upper shower arm spinning so energetically, and the spray coming from the arms isn't terrible either, though with the rotation speeds I can see why the ridiculous cycle times are necessary.

The KitchenAid looks much different in operation than the actual WP machines, which is most likely because of the slightly larger pump they put into the KA's. The spray in the WP's, while not terrible, is still anemic in comparison.

 

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