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New LG washing machine May 2014
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haxisfan
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@ reversomatic
About the loss of the 30 degree wash... I was saddened by the loss of this temperature, and when I purchased the Hoover Dynamic, I was fully aware I had to give it up (although I didn't really give it up cos' I used it in the other washer).
Having said that, I've made a discovery only recently and now I know that the 30 degree wash... and the 50, haven't been lost. I'm not sure whether it would be the same on the LG, but on the Hoover, on a standard cotton program, by choosing the lowest level of dirt and without selecting any option, it would do a 30/50 degree wash on Cotton 40 and 60. To obtain 40 and 60 with the minimum soil level, one has to use a function called 'Stain Blaster'.
I've only recently been paying attentian to the actual temperature of the wash cycle, so I'm not sure whether this applies to the other levels of dirt (3 levels altogether), but I'll find out sooner or later ;-)
About the loss of the 30 degree wash... I was saddened by the loss of this temperature, and when I purchased the Hoover Dynamic, I was fully aware I had to give it up (although I didn't really give it up cos' I used it in the other washer).
Having said that, I've made a discovery only recently and now I know that the 30 degree wash... and the 50, haven't been lost. I'm not sure whether it would be the same on the LG, but on the Hoover, on a standard cotton program, by choosing the lowest level of dirt and without selecting any option, it would do a 30/50 degree wash on Cotton 40 and 60. To obtain 40 and 60 with the minimum soil level, one has to use a function called 'Stain Blaster'.
I've only recently been paying attentian to the actual temperature of the wash cycle, so I'm not sure whether this applies to the other levels of dirt (3 levels altogether), but I'll find out sooner or later ;-)
glenfieldmathk1
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The Loss of 30C, and temperature reduction..
Its all because the some silly rules came out saying all machines must have a 20C option.
Meanwhile, on 60 & 40 cycles we're seeing what the states are seeing - dumbing down the temperature of the cycle, so that the manufacturers can claim there machine is more efficient, and the Energy label allows this. (for instance in Germany, a Bosch Ecostar washer (rated A+++-50% think the website says) [thats A-80% or A++++++++] with Eco perfect takes a whopping 6hrs on cottons 60, the reason, its only a 30C cycle, and has to spend all that time washing clothes just to get the same results as a 60 wash).
If you ask me some manufacturers make such bold claims and such long wash times, it'll soon be more expensive due to the longer cycle duration?
On my hotpoint when the programme dial is on no 3, and 60C is selected on the small temp dial, the machine [according to which] heats only to 49C. however selecting 50C will heat to 50C, thats 1Degrees hotter? [you can get a full temp wash by choosing superwash, or prog 2, prog 6].
I Presume all machines, which don't have an eco/energy reduced function, will do this - Hoover, Candy, Indesit, some Zanussi.
Back to topic - I prefer the new Samsung over this, the door looks terrible, and control panel to me seems a step backwards.
Its all because the some silly rules came out saying all machines must have a 20C option.
Meanwhile, on 60 & 40 cycles we're seeing what the states are seeing - dumbing down the temperature of the cycle, so that the manufacturers can claim there machine is more efficient, and the Energy label allows this. (for instance in Germany, a Bosch Ecostar washer (rated A+++-50% think the website says) [thats A-80% or A++++++++] with Eco perfect takes a whopping 6hrs on cottons 60, the reason, its only a 30C cycle, and has to spend all that time washing clothes just to get the same results as a 60 wash).
If you ask me some manufacturers make such bold claims and such long wash times, it'll soon be more expensive due to the longer cycle duration?
On my hotpoint when the programme dial is on no 3, and 60C is selected on the small temp dial, the machine [according to which] heats only to 49C. however selecting 50C will heat to 50C, thats 1Degrees hotter? [you can get a full temp wash by choosing superwash, or prog 2, prog 6].
I Presume all machines, which don't have an eco/energy reduced function, will do this - Hoover, Candy, Indesit, some Zanussi.
Back to topic - I prefer the new Samsung over this, the door looks terrible, and control panel to me seems a step backwards.
haxisfan
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Just probed it with a digital thermometer...
I just used a cotton 40 cycle with the minimal level of dirt, after the machine finished heating I touched the glass and as usual on this cycle, it didn't feel as warm as i'd normally do when the Stain Blaster option is selected. So, I paused the washer, opened the door and stuck a digital thermometer at the bottom of the wet laundry: this read 35.7 degrees! So, that's it, a Cotton 40 is really a Cotton 35. I'm ok with this though, I think it's safe enough to use 35 even on garments with a wash label that indicates to wash at 30. Now I wonder if Cotton 20 becomes Cotton 25 with the Stain Blaster... I guess I'll have to try that!
What annoys me though is the fact that the manufacturer doesn't make any of these things clear on the manual... why should I have to test and experiment everything in order to find out how the machine really works? I doubt any of the average washing machine user would give the washer the time of day to try a thermometer inside the washer: I must admit this is a tad frustrating!
I just used a cotton 40 cycle with the minimal level of dirt, after the machine finished heating I touched the glass and as usual on this cycle, it didn't feel as warm as i'd normally do when the Stain Blaster option is selected. So, I paused the washer, opened the door and stuck a digital thermometer at the bottom of the wet laundry: this read 35.7 degrees! So, that's it, a Cotton 40 is really a Cotton 35. I'm ok with this though, I think it's safe enough to use 35 even on garments with a wash label that indicates to wash at 30. Now I wonder if Cotton 20 becomes Cotton 25 with the Stain Blaster... I guess I'll have to try that!
What annoys me though is the fact that the manufacturer doesn't make any of these things clear on the manual... why should I have to test and experiment everything in order to find out how the machine really works? I doubt any of the average washing machine user would give the washer the time of day to try a thermometer inside the washer: I must admit this is a tad frustrating!
rolls_rapide
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Hoover's misleading temperatures
I see they are using a reversed intuitive process now. And they're all at it.
In the days of the Ecologics and New Waves, the programme temperature was as stated, eg. 60 degrees C. If you selected the 60 deg C programme and pressed the Economy option, the wash temperature was reduced by about 10 degrees, i.e. 50 deg C.
Similarly, Zanussi IZ Jetsystem from 2001, wash time equalled about 2 hrs 10. Time Reducer option cut that down to about an hour.
Now, the machines (such as a 2006 Bosch and 2009 Panasonic) default to the speedier cycles. You now have to choose the intensive / wash plus option.
I see they are using a reversed intuitive process now. And they're all at it.
In the days of the Ecologics and New Waves, the programme temperature was as stated, eg. 60 degrees C. If you selected the 60 deg C programme and pressed the Economy option, the wash temperature was reduced by about 10 degrees, i.e. 50 deg C.
Similarly, Zanussi IZ Jetsystem from 2001, wash time equalled about 2 hrs 10. Time Reducer option cut that down to about an hour.
Now, the machines (such as a 2006 Bosch and 2009 Panasonic) default to the speedier cycles. You now have to choose the intensive / wash plus option.
paulc
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The bath and shower analogy was used by Zanussi when they first introduced the Jetsystem in the late 80's
I do like these LG's but one rinse in a F/L? no thanks.
I do like these LG's but one rinse in a F/L? no thanks.
I love the look of the control panel, glassy and sleek!
What does the -40% mean after the A+++ energy rating?
What does the -40% mean after the A+++ energy rating?
Originally, the energy efficiency scale went from G to A. With appliances becoming more efficient, plusses were added to A. This machine is 40% more efficient than A+++. It's really getting ridiculous.
If you look at the control panel, the Cotton Large cycle, along with the 40° and 60° temps, have a little symbol next to them. Selecting that cycle with either temperature will get you a super-efficient wash. Any other combination will run a normal (non-eco) cycle.
If you look at the control panel, the Cotton Large cycle, along with the 40° and 60° temps, have a little symbol next to them. Selecting that cycle with either temperature will get you a super-efficient wash. Any other combination will run a normal (non-eco) cycle.
glenfieldmathk1
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A+++-40%
is basically 40% more efficient than A+++ model - so its A+++++++ or A-70%The downside - washing in this mode takes about 6hrs, the good news though, is significant energy saving.
Bosch sell an A+++-50% in Germany, and apparently thats an 8hr cycle.
is basically 40% more efficient than A+++ model - so its A+++++++ or A-70%The downside - washing in this mode takes about 6hrs, the good news though, is significant energy saving.
Bosch sell an A+++-50% in Germany, and apparently thats an 8hr cycle.
The Bosch...
... was the 6h I thought... The A+++ cycles were 4h, some A+++ -35% either, and some others hit close to Bosch. But I never heared of an 8h cycle...
... was the 6h I thought... The A+++ cycles were 4h, some A+++ -35% either, and some others hit close to Bosch. But I never heared of an 8h cycle...
Ohh...
Bit more than 6h. 6 ½, to be exactly.
Anyway, the full 60° load uses only 0,38 kWh, while the half load takes 0,41 kWh, so 30W more. That is something about 1/13 more, being half a load. And the 40° cycle uses the same water, energy and time.
Bit more than 6h. 6 ½, to be exactly.
Anyway, the full 60° load uses only 0,38 kWh, while the half load takes 0,41 kWh, so 30W more. That is something about 1/13 more, being half a load. And the 40° cycle uses the same water, energy and time.
glenfieldmathk1
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Long time anyway
Well what ever it is, is too long for me, 3hrs is good, more though, and it's too long!
Well what ever it is, is too long for me, 3hrs is good, more though, and it's too long!
frontloaderfan
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Standard Cotton Program at 60 C takes SIX AND A HALF HOURS?!
Unfassbar....
Unfassbar....
at 60C
It doesn't heat up to that temp, though - more like 30C or 85F in order to get the energy rating. Hitting the Speed button takes five and a half hours off the cycle.
I have never used the Eco cycle on either my washer or dishwasher. It's there to get the rating but I don't have to use it.
It doesn't heat up to that temp, though - more like 30C or 85F in order to get the energy rating. Hitting the Speed button takes five and a half hours off the cycle.
I have never used the Eco cycle on either my washer or dishwasher. It's there to get the rating but I don't have to use it.
frontloaderfan
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Aha, that makes more sense. I really can't imagine anyone who would actually use that feature, except, of course, in Europe where electricity is more expensive than here in the US. Perhaps some American mother Earth type who doesn't mind taking an entire day to wash a load of laundry.
The main problem I see with all these ultra-efficient cycles that take hours and hours to do is that it will increase fabric wear. Particularly when people are buying cheaper clothes which are, obviously, made cheaper than they used to be. I can't imagine some cheap t-shirts surviving more than a few of those long long cycles before going all bobbly or coming apart.
Back on topic of these LGs - I'm not impressed with the 1 hour cycle. My 7kg Electrolux-made machine can do a 40 or 60 cotton cycle with wash, three rinses and a fast spin in about 1h05 using the quick wash & extra rinse option, or slightly less for 2. So, not impressed with only one rinse on these ones. Why do LG think people will be happy with only one?
Back on topic of these LGs - I'm not impressed with the 1 hour cycle. My 7kg Electrolux-made machine can do a 40 or 60 cotton cycle with wash, three rinses and a fast spin in about 1h05 using the quick wash & extra rinse option, or slightly less for 2. So, not impressed with only one rinse on these ones. Why do LG think people will be happy with only one?
Well, the idea is to run a load while you're at work or at night. Few people have a "laundry day" over here - I think - so long cycles don't bother us that much. I have a laundry day so I'd welcome that Turbo Washer (if it wasn't by LG).
@ dascot
Well, they are replacing one rinse with with two minutes of showering the clothes with fresh water while spinning it out simultaneously. We'll see how well that works.
Well, they are replacing one rinse with with two minutes of showering the clothes with fresh water while spinning it out simultaneously. We'll see how well that works.
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