New Maytag commercial top load washer video.

[iowabear]

Thank you for the update.  There is still a lot of interest in this machine but the simple controls and the great videos by Lorain Furniture have answered a lot of the operational questions.

 

However it's also great to hear from somebody actually using it every day. 

 

[lorainfurniture]

I’ve sold a few

And customers are happy with them.

 

[spinmon]

Does the Maytag have a slower wash speed and/or reduced agitator arc on ''delicate''?

 

[stchuck]

Yes, the agitation and spin speed is slower than on the other cycles. I think the "arc" is the same.

 

[spinmon]

Thank you for all the information!

 

[stchuck]

Update

Just a quick update. I have had this washer for approximately 7 months... After initially swapping out the first one that was defective the second one seems just fine. Its quick and cleans very well. I have noticed that soap dosage is critical. It does not handle excess soap in a very efficient way. The spin between the wash and rinse can actually slow and stop if there are too many suds. It acts as if the pump goes into a suds lock because it doesn't seem like anything is going into the drain. This does not happen frequently but does happen from time to time. I am wondering if anyone else who has this machine has noticed the same thing?

For whatever reason I have also noticed that powdered detergent seems to perform better than liquid in this toploader. On a side note I bought a small box of Gain original powder. Oh gosh- It made my clothes smell like bug spray. It was disgusting. I couldn't believe it. The scent had to be tampered with, it used to smell so good. I couldn't even stand wearing the clothes. I didn't use any fabric softener with that load. It was pure Gain all the way.

 

[patcherd2]

Revisiting the post I started a couple of years back. Does anyone know anything about the new model commercial Maytag ?

Saw a video of it on Whirlpool's digital assets site.There was a comparison of roll over to a Speed Queen TR3000. Outwardly it looks like the same washer. The new model # is MVWP576KW. The companion dryer now has a window in the door.

Wonder what has changed.

 

[stricklybojack]

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Here is a video...

https://video.learnwhirlpool.com/media/Commercial-grade+Maytag®+washer+built+for+Dependability+-+MVWP576KW/1_7gon0em2

 

[patcherd2]

Thanks for the video. Really curious as to what has changed. Looks just like the last model.

 

[pinkpower4]

mvwp576kw looks to be Lowe's exclusive...

Model mvwp576kw looks to be a Lowe's exclusive. In combing through the info on Lowe's site, it looks like it has an end-of-cycle timer and a ten-year limited warranty instead of the five year parts and labor. Year 1 looks like a parts and labor warranty. Years 2 through 10, only the drive motor and wash basket only are covered. It's more than the price I paid at the local mom and pop shop almost two years ago where the five year parts and labor warranty was included in the price I paid, $750 with free delivery. They may have gone up there too. However, these will go on sale, and Lowe's purchasing options may allow some to buy it that could not have otherwise. Also, many may have family members working there that can get them a small discount. For comparison, the SQ TC5 sells for just under $1100 where I live by one dealer. The rest are significantly higher.

Link to washer at Lowe's: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Maytag-Com...h-Efficiency-Top-Load-Washer-White/1002579758

Link to info I could find through Maytag:
https://www.maytag.com/results.html?term=mvwp576kw&tab=clp&plp=&plpView=grid&clp=mvwp576kw

Quickly going through the user manual, it appears to be the same or very similar manual. Both manuals state some cold water is added to hot, BUT this appears to only be the case for the Normal cycle when the HOT water temperature is selected (don't know if this is different for Lowe's model). The mvwp575gw models works by alternating hot and cold as it fills the tub. The main cycles are tap hot. The normal cycle's "hot" alternates between hot and cold. I have tested this and several other posts about it on this forum, so I won't go into detail again unless needed. The Normal temperature's work well for everything but a small load of whites. I just manually add tap hot. Can provide more info. if needed. Normal also works well as a speed wash or just for any smaller load except delicates. Need a half tub rinse, just run the cycle twice.

I've had my washer for two years this summer with no issues. Glad to see it's in the big box stores now. In my opinion, this washer has the best wash action of any washer including the SQ TC5. Durability wise, it will be better than any top load sold in the big box stores (SQ is not sold in the big box stores). It has upgraded parts when compared to the budget models with a dual agitator under the various names of Roper, Amana, Conservator, etc.

GE makes some top loads with a dual agitator that even have direct drive vs. vmw design, but it doesn't seem to balance loads as well. Also, the spin rinse is directed at the center instead of wetting down the clothes (defeating the purpose of the spin rinse).

I'll be curious to see if there are any other differences. I will need a dryer soon. I am considering the matching dryer for my Maytag mvwp575gw. Looks like I can choose between one with and without a window door now.

Changes I would suggest are to go back to the mechanical controls, leave off the ATC, and offer a water-selector switch (at least offer half tub wash and fill for all main cycles). True basic no-frills washer that just works. It seems like all this other "junk" was just added to address the poorly thought out new energy guidelines (and they are actually using more energy, wasted water, chemicals, as well as taking consumer's more effort, time, and energy to get them to work!) Although Maytag has upgraded the parts on this model, it just seems like the older washers were more robust, lasted much longer, and are worth repairing.

 

[combo52]

GE TL DD Washers ?

I have not seen any such machines, All the GEs we are seeing have a belt.

 

There is no way to assume [ or statistical evidence ] that these MT commercial machines are going to outlast any other TL washer except SQs , in fact I hate to admit it but the evidence points to LG as being the current longest lived TL washer, although I am sure that either style TL SQ will far outlast the LGs.

 

The MT [ so called ] CTL washer is based on a cheap to build throw away design, just putting a better seal in it will not make it a 15-25 year design, the heaver motor and belt are just sales hype, we have never seen a bad belt or motor in the cheaper versions.

 

You still have cheap crappy, lid-switch-lock, expensive inlet valve assembly, poor grade control board, cheap suspension struts, flimsy cabinet with lots of areas that will rust. No self-leveling rear legs so the MT can easily become unlevel and shake itself apart.

 

When you start out with an economy design it is just not going to ever be compatible to a machine that started out as a commercial Coin-Op machine.

 

John L.

 

[agiflow3]

Pink thanks for the info. I for one do not care if the Maytag will not go as long as the Speed Queen. I still find it the most interesting of the VMW designs of Whirlpool.

That DAA and the 2 wash actions this washer employs leaves me no doubt this is probably the best cleaning top load design out right now.

To John I would like to ask this. Do you think the VMW design is an inherently bad design or just implemented cheaply? Could this design be made to be even more reliable than the DD was ?

It's amazing Whirlpool could implement a motor that acts like a transmission. What is the use of the gearcase for then if it is the motor actually switching back and forth ?

Nonetheless I still find it an interesting machine I would like to try out for awhile.

As to the sturdiness of the panels I find the steel is thicker on the Maytag. If the Speed Queen didn't have the metal outer tub it would be no more sturdy than the Maytag and I would even say flimsier.

I think the Maytag for what it is a decent washer. Just wish Whirlpool would get their heads out of their backsides and design ALL of their top loaders like this with beefed up parts and longer warranties. I hate the those fake DAA machines and the wash plates. Do away with them already .

Do any of the people on this site who work for Whirlpool even hear or listen ?

 

[pinkpower4]

The SQ has a belt too???

That's great! If you are not seeing the ones I am thinking of, maybe they aren't having problems.

It is difficult to see the small details, but I think this is the GE model with dual agitator I was referring to. It is referred to as a direct drive even by the company. Maybe it is a twist on words.

GWW725BSNWS

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/ModelSectionParts/GTW725BSN0WS/3/0/0/0/TUB_&_MOTOR

If not, I will have to go back and look when I have more time.

The issues I have seen regarding this GE model are difficulty balancing regular loads, the spray rinse directed toward the center instead of toward the clothes (defeats purpose of spray rinse), and control boards.

My LG front load lasted 10 years. No complaints. I felt I got my money's worth. Replaced a rotor because it came loose and stripped and a drain pump (drain pump not LG's fault). It had a direct drive motor. The bearings went out, and that likely will be the first thing that goes on a top load. I would have had to completely disassemble the thing to try and fix that...almost every screw, every hose, and every wire connection. The matching dryer is still working. Before you say, a SQ would last twice as long, let me remind you it is twice the price too.

For top loads, I prefer a dual agitator. The dual agitator move the clothes down and through the water. Try putting a fluffy comforter that LG top load with an impeller. For other types of clothing like shirts, it probably does good. If the trade off a little less life over the LG, so be it. It will definitely be one of the longer lasting top loads sold at the big box stores. I do like LG too.

John, I'm not going to debate this matter with you any further. You seem to be SQ focused or nothing. For the others, I hope they will get some information out of all of these posts that help them make the best decision based on their budget, needs, etc. regardless of whether they end up purchasing SQ, MT, LG, Samsung, or whatever.

Have a good day!

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>PinkPower4:  The SQ has a belt too???</blockquote> I'm not clear on the source of your comment as there's no mention in this thread of Speed Queen and belts ... but yes, all Speed Queen toploaders have a belt.  The newer TR "agitub" models are belt-drive.  Surely in your research you've seen vids on YouTube that show the mechanism?  The TC "classic" model is belt-drive.

GWW725BSNWS (maybe a typo?) ... the parts diagram you linked is for model GTW725BSN0WS ... but yes, it's direct-drive in that it has no belt.  The motor is an F&P-style motor, parts 630 and 636.  It has a mode shifter, part 325.  The transmission part 320 is very much in appearance like a WP VMW transmission.

Whirlpool/Maytag VMAX is a variation of the VMW that has a mode shifter and an F&P-style motor without a belt.[this post was last edited: 4/16/2020-12:45]

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>Agiflow3:  It's amazing Whirlpool could implement a motor that acts like a transmission. What is the use of the gearcase for then if it is the motor actually switching back and forth ?</blockquote> Fisher & Paykel developed the transmission-less, direct-drive design with a computer-controlled oscillating stepper-motor years ago (1990s) for their SmartDrive toploader, nothing new about that.  It switched between agitate and spin by way of the basket floating slightly upwards to physically disengage from a spin drive cog when the tub fills with water which allows the agitator to oscillate while the basket free-spins.  The basket drops back onto the cog when the water drains.  Whirlpool used the design directly for early Oasis, Cabrio, and Bravos toploaders.

The VMW is a different design that uses a different type of motor that pulses forward and backward for agitation, a belt-drive geared transmission to increase torque, and a mode shifter mechanism to shift between agitate and spin.

Whirlpool also revised F&P's design still using a stepper-motor but eliminating the floating basket and implementing a mode shifter.  The design is called VMAX.

 

[pinkpower4]

DADoES

"I have not seen any such machines, All the GEs we are seeing have a belt."

It surprised me that this person didn't know about the GE GTW725BSNWS (that is the correct model number) even if he had not seen them in his shop. Someone reading that could get the impression that any model with a belt is not a good one to select. That is why I added that statement.

"You still have cheap crappy, lid-switch-lock, expensive inlet valve assembly, poor grade control board, cheap suspension struts, flimsy cabinet with lots of areas that will rust. No self-leveling rear legs so the MT can easily become unlevel and shake itself apart."

I believe the lid lock, cabinet, belt, bearings/seals, capacitor, motor, fill hoses, etc. have been upgraded on the Maytag mvwp575gw and Maytag mvwp576kw when compared to the lower-priced models. I have not had any issues with leveling. I have also not had any issues with balancing loads. While it may not last as long as the SQ TC5, it is incorrect information to lump it it in with lower-priced models. I'm not saying there may not be comparable models. I just don't know of any that also have the dual agitator. It also cost less than SQ. I don't expect to pay the same price for a Toyota family car as I do a Ford family car. So, what is the point? The SQs have issues too. Just look at the repair boards. No doubt the lower-quality build big box washers have more, but I am not seeing much about the specific Maytag model referred to here except from a FEW people.

The fact he is not seeing these GE models in his shop may be a good thing. From what I read, I would still take the MT575gw over it, but glad to see someONE anyONE is trying to come up with a better washer that is sold in the big box stores. They are calling the GE a direct drive, but I got the impression that it wasn't the same as the older model "direct drives". Not sure, I really can't see those tiny diagrams. I have not seen a video of this model without the front panel either. However, sounds like that mode shifter is what also keeps this from being an agitub design (like the SQ TR series). I would choose a dual action agitator model over an agitub design even IF it means a shorter lifespan of the appliance. I value cleaning performance over durability when the Maytag seems like it will last at least ten years. At least on the Maytag, that part is inexpensive. Most consumers can replace it themselves.

I wonder what will be recommended if the TC5 can no longer be sold in 2021. What do you tell the customer then? You give them the UNBIASED information about the brands available, and let them make an informed choice based on their budget, needs, etc.

Yes, I love watching all videos including the ones on SQ, Maytag, LG (nice wash action for impeller) top loads, etc. I was very much aware of the belt on the SQ models.

Yes, I wish Maytag would have made some changes to the models. However, I am glad it will be available in the big box stores where people may have access to what may work better for them. I hope it ups the game so the other manufacturers may rethink what they offer at least in the big box stores. It is that simple. Nothing more; nothing less.

 

[DADoES]

 
Actually, the GE part 320 isn't a transmission.  It's a mounting platform for the motor and mode shifter, and comprises the concentric drive shafts and bearings.  There's no need for a geared transmission with that motor design, being that the motor can be directly controlled for the arc of distance that it turns, force, direction, and speed.

You do understand that the agitub design is much simpler and reliable, having a single drive shaft and no additional parts and circuitry for a mode shifter for separately driving the basket and agitator, yes?

 

[pinkpower4]

DADoES,

Yes, the agitub does seem like a much simpler and more reliable design.

The design is the difference between a dual agitator where not only the tub and agitator move separate but so does the top and bottom of the agitator (Maytag mvwp575gw or Maytag mvwp576kw) versus a tub and agitator moving in the same direction (SQ TR series). Just like there is a big difference in which one will last longer, there is also a big difference between which clean all types of clothes (work uniforms, kids' clothing, sportswear, gym clothes, pet stuff, and even office wear) better. Both of these models have their critics. Neither one is the piece of junk some have made them out to be. There are some good reviews on YouTube, so a consumer can weigh the pros and cons themselves along with other information. Between these two, it comes down to what fits someone's needs the best even if budget isn't a factor. The main takeaway from all of this is to give someone UNBIASED information and let them decide. Don't lump the TC5 in with the TR series because they are different even though they are the same in some ways. Same goes for these Maytag models. That's all I am really saying.

Unfortunately, it's rumored the TC5 will be discontinued at the end of this year due to the stricter regulations. TC5 was a good compromise between durability and cleaning performance that may no longer be available for those where budget or obtaining the product is not an issue.

 

[agiflow3]

Why does Whirlpool make a machine like the Maytag and then make the agipeller designs ? It's like they know that there are people who know the difference and yet they peddle those horrible wash plate designs.

Maybe it is a push to get people off of top loaders and onto their front loaders. At least the front loaders are all good cleaners.

 

[DADoES]

 
SQ could put an auger agitator in the TR units (and the TC5).  They choose not to do so for whatever reason.