New Maytag commercial top load washer video.

[ea56]

This thread has intrigued me. The new commercial Maytag has many similarities to my Maytag MVWC415EW 3.6 cu ft. TL. I’ve noticed that many are disappointed that there is no water level control or water sensing on this machine to allow for smaller loads. As another member pointed out, this may be due to the fact that its commerical and meant for laundromats., which makes sense.

On my Maytag, using the Deep Water cycle, it will fill to the top if the load is a full load, but otherwise it senses the loads size and fills to a level that covers the load with at least a few inches of water. I primarily use the Deep Water and Powerwash cycles. They both fill with tap hot water, but the Powerwash cycle fills slightly less than the Deep Water cycle. There is a brief spray rinse on both of these cycles before the deep fill rinse.

I have only used the Normal cycle a few times, but it also seemed to do a fine job of cleaning. In my mind these washers strike a happy medium between the excessive water that a traditional TL requires and the inadequate amount that many of the newer FL’s use. My machine is just 2 weeks shy of a year old and I’ve experienced no problems during this year.

From the many comments that I’ve read on this thread I really think that many of you would be very happy with this machine, or one of the other new Maytag/Whirlpool TL’s.

I don’t know how to film a video, and I haven’t monkeyed around with the lid lock so I can watch it in action. But when I’ve lifted the lid during wash and rinse cycles I’ve always found the water level to be covering the load and at a hot enough temp. I almost always wash on hot, heavy soil level and each load is finished in about 55-60 mins. And this machine NEVER unbalances, which is a rarity these days. I really enjoy laundry day with this machine.

BTW, out of 6552 reviews, 86% recommend this machine.

Sometimes new technology can actually be good.
Eddie[this post was last edited: 11/23/2017-13:44]

http://https//www.lowes.com/pd/Maytag-3-6-cu-ft-High-Efficiency-Top-Load-Washer-White/50382486

 

[agiflow2]

wft2800

Because we are not England or Europe. People in the US still want these washers. You have all been conditioned to what you have been using for decades and so have we. Just personal preference.

 

[DADoES]

Commercial vs. Home/Residential

 
It's aimed at the home user with the "commercial" label/aspect as a marketing strategy.  Maytag's web site (which sucks by the way) describes it as "3.5 Cu. Ft. Commercial-Grade Residential Agitator Washer."

Notice the lid is offset a bit to the left, leaving room at the right side of the top panel for placement of a coin-box for models that are aimed directly at the coin-op market.  Operation is via electronics so they could have included a water level selector on this residential-aimed model with appropriate revision to the control board.

WFT2800, it's of the VMW design, which has a planetary-gear transmission (Kirk in the video refers to "quad-gear transmission") with reversing motor to provide oscillation.  He also says it doesn't have auto load sense ... which brings the question (since there's no water level selector) how does it determine the water level on the Normal cycle which isn't in the Deep Water section of the cycle dial and presumably doesn't always entail a full fill?

 

[agiflow2]

My old Maytag Bravo X would spin the dry load when starting... I believe that's when the sensing takes place, and this machine does not spin the dry load. Am really intrigued now how deep the normal fill will be. It would have to be at least half the tub with that agitator design, i would think anyway .. will just have to wait for more videos and see.

 

[Chetlaham]

Full fill maybe from the bulky cycle- but we will see.

This might have a 1/2 HP motor now that you mention it. Everything look stronger in this machine. Either that they are maximizing the power from the 1/3 already in there.

 

[henene4]

half horse power

As long as it's only a peak power maintained for a short amount of time, a 1/3hp motor should be overdrivable to 1/2hp.

 

[Chetlaham]

Lost me there- what do you mean?

 

[henene4]

Electric motors can - depending on their design - run at powers higher then their design power.

It does greatly affect longevity, but a 1/3hp motor driven by an inverter (or simmilar basic idea of driving it) can put our peak powers of 1/2hp.
As long as these overdrive situations are kept short (for example just the start of a spin), there is no issue in doing so.

 

[cfz2882]

1/2 peak HP easy work for most 1/3 HP motors-PSC motor in the VMW machines has a radial fan on top that keeps motor decently cool-I have felt the motor in my cabrio after a long agitation and it was only warm.

 

[Chetlaham]

@hene4: Ok- that makes sense now, my bad.

Anyone know what motor these washers use?

 

[supersurgilator]

I'm curious to see how Whirlpool will redesign their machines in the new year. I'm hoping they will be something similar to this. I like their current model but HATE that agitation that it does during the fill, its too rough on clothes. I do like how this one will spin the tub around to wet the load down. It's also a rarity these days to see that spray rinse after the wash cycle. Companies removed that many years ago when the first wave of regulations came into effect, around 2011 or so.

I'm happy that manufactures have realized that they can make a traditional agitator washer with just the normal cycle meeting the guidelines.

As far as laundromats not having toploaders, there are still plenty of them out there. We have 8 laundromats in town, and only 3 are strictly frontloaders. 4 of the others are actually topload heavy, and I frequent sites online and lots of laundromats still have plenty of toploaders around, although usually SpeedQueen's.

 

[washerdude]

One of the reviews on Maytag's site, the machine does a hot fill when hot is selected.

http://https//www.maytag.ca/en_ca/washers-and-dryers/washers/top-load-washers/p.MVWP575GW.html

 

[Chetlaham]

Agitation while filling

Oh GOD! What a horrible way to force people over to HE- or maybe they really are that dumb. And I thought the 4 inch water rinse GE and Ropers did was bad. Dunno, but that is so far away from what a washer should be doing. Manufactures in the past actually made sure the tub was full before agitation- it was hard wired into the machine.

But mark my words: the glory days of America are coming. In the next 8 years there is a good chance we will see plenty more toploaders such as this Maytag. Hot fills, full tubs, DA agitators, immediate spin, 5 year warranty, strong cabinets, porcelain on steal tubs and tops... Hopefully a pressure switch or two

My ultimate fantasy is a Galaxy like BOL with water level control coupled with a 5 year warranty. I think that would be a winner for many folks. Whole line on top of that.

 

[Chetlaham]

What comes after F in the following sequnce? A,B,C,D,E,F...

@mark_wpduet: Because thats what the patterns were showing. God awful toys that kept getting worse and worse every year while no hope of energy regs being rolled back. Yes I know folks will argue in the name of energy efficiency, but seriously there is no excuse for slow fills, reduced warrantys, anemic agi, agi while filling, and all the other Bologna.

 

[agiflow2]

I say cut funding grants to the agencies responsible for dictating to manufacturers and tying their hands behind their backs. I think WP should give up on "cabrio" and make good old fashioned machines they were very good at producing.

This Maytag is a start and to build quality appliances like they used to do.

After the DD washers were replaced by these so called "HE" washers it has been an uphill battle to get back to washers that use water and an agitator..oh and a warm rinse option.. maybe WP will put that back in.. GE is doing it.

With this current administration that could very well happen.

 

[agiflow2]

Finally went to my appliance dealer and saw this Maytag. They just got the machine in as the lid had tape on it and no sales literature or price on the machine yet. The sales lady was accommodating as she was quick to pull out the shipping brace in the basket to let me look.

I knew more about the product then they did. Figures. The one sales guy said there was a three year parts and labor warranty and I corrected him that there was supposed to be a 5 year parts and labor warranty.

He said.. "oh that was last years model" OK so he knew of last years model but had no idea if these would be available throughout 2018.

Anyway my take on the machine is it does have a beefier cabinet than the Whirlpool agitator model that sat next to it. The machine was not leveled and was light when I rocked it but well put together. I don't know if this is a porcelain coated top or not.. doubt it though as there is nothing in the literature about a porcelain top and lid.

What I don't get about Whirlpool is that they still make porcelain wash baskets...then why can't they make the Maytags with porcelain tops if this is supposed to be their "better built" washers?

I can say though that the steel for the top is more rigid than the one on my Speed Queen... hardly any flex at all on the Maytag.

Whirlpool has the money and know how and resources to build a washer that would knock Speed Queen for a loop. Just wish they would realize that and get hopping on the best washers domestically money can buy.

 

[gyrafoam]

Thanks for posting this, Patrick. Very interesting and looks very competitive-------especially if SQ shoots itself in the foot with an agitub!

 

[48bencix]

Suspension System

Does this washer have a real suspension system? It looks like it must because it does not sense and redistribute the load before it spins.

 

[Chetlaham]

X2 Either that or a real good balance rink. Whirlpool at one point was using large metal ball bearings in their catalyst machines.

 

[Chetlaham]

* balance ring

And come on guys, the agitub might work out in the end.

 

[whirlykenmore78]

I've watched the video 2X now:

The machine LOOKS very well made and the wash action is exactly what a TL should have. I will reserve judgement of this machine VS the new SQ until I see evidence of both build quality and washability in both of these commercial TLs. A preliminary guess would be the SQ is better built but the MT will out wash it. Nice to see that Whirlpool seems to be answering SQ in the market of a Commercial Grade TL. Choice and level playing field competition in business are good things.
WK78

 

[agiflow2]

No problem Steve. It will be interesting to see what "Maytag" will have in store for the coming year. Hope this Maytag isn't a one trick pony and that they will offer more models with this kind of warranty to be a real competitor to Speed Queen.

 

[supersurgilator]

Maytag commercial does say this machine has its own manufacturing line at the facility.

http://https//www.maytagcommerciallaundry.com/content.jsp?pageName=MAT20

 

[agiflow2]

So Whirlpool and Speed Queen both call their single action agitators "flex vane". Very interesting. It's clear Speed Queen sales put a fire under WP's butt.

It's too early to tell but if these Maytag commercial grade washers will be available as they are and already meet the 2018 water use guidelines which assuming they already do, Maytag will have a winner.

2018 will be interesting with Maytag and Speed Queen battling for the best traditional type top load washers. From the video we have seen... my money is on Maytag. Don't think Speed Queen will have this kind of wash action.

The proof is in the pudding.... we shall see what we shall see.

 

[washerdude]

Its so fascinating to see how the VMW Agitator models have evolved over the years.



Then the dreaded agipeller...


Back to real agitators, but i think we all knew the issue with these models...


Now...

A real hot wash, added durability, excellent agitation and turnover.

Looks like WP is trying to mimic the DD's. The drain and spin sequence (especially the sound of it engaging into spin) to me just shouts out WP DD. I really like how it has faster agitation too...also reminiscent of certain agitation speeds found on WP DD's.

 

[agiflow2]

What I find really neat washerdude is that it mimics a DD and BD. How cool is that! Finally WP is finding their way back. This new Maytag is so far the best implementation of the this VMW design. WP is definitely ironing out the kinks.

I may be romanticising a little, but it is like WP is giving a nod to their former major platforms.

 

[tolivac]

NICE-an alternative to the SQ washers.Like the traditional fills and actions.A good possibility for new machine rather than an old one from the swap shops.

 

[Chetlaham]

They are evolving forward. At one point you could not even get a deep fill or a classic agi- now it looks like you can get two. Also I think they improved the durability on several drive parts.

 

[agiflow2]

... Normal cycle with extra rinse

 

[johnrk]

The Latest Video

on this washer is supposedly 'small', but the water level is very close to the top of the agitator. Doesn't look like much difference. I'll say that for my SQ 432--small is definitely way less and mini is even less.