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Could someone tell me why.............

why does this machine agitate while filling up then stop agitating? That has to be rough on clothing? FIFTEEN MINUTES TO FILL for a DEEP FILL?
Blink and you'll miss the one spray for a "rinse" without softener?
Although I am amazed at how HIGH the deep fill is. I suppose if you had a huge load or a comforter it may come in handy. The machine seems more quiet when agitating with a deep fill.
Mike
 
So much melodrama.
LOL!
Joey, thanks for that Amana link!
I bet my parents would love that Amana when their current machine kicks the bucket.
It's about as traditional as you can get today.

And I still don't see an issue with those other machines.
The newer wash plate machines can agitate while filling still, because the wash plates have much lower ribs that can scrub against the clothes during partial fills and still be gentle on them compared to a traditional DD ShredPool.

The others were likely using the deep fill as a demo, even though the loads were too small.
The Deep Fill is a great idea, but I think they should've done it more incrementally like GE did, unless GE patented it....
Theirs does only 6" fill increments up to the top. More versatile I think.
And with true HE detergents, they rinse very quickly.
90% of the time, my laundry is suds free in the Maxima after the 1st rinse anyway.
And don't most of us use fabric softener in the washer anyway. So a majority of loads will be done with the deeper Softener Rinse anyway.
 
I'm very intrigued by these machines, so much that I think I need to hide my credit cards! Hahaha. The glass top 4.7 Maytag IS a direct drive model like their impeller ones...just with an agitator. I'm really liking that one. The BOL models pull me too. I could probably have a dozen washers. Lordy.

I thought the rollover was excellent in that Maytag 4.2 video. And yes I think the deep fill was used just to show how it works. These are all big improvements over previous machines seen in the last couple of years.
 
These new Maytags remind me of something Whirlpool has made in the past. Their Cabrio toploaders with an agitator. I'm not exactly sure what model numbers they were but to me, these new Maytags are a clear resemblance from the older Cabrios with the agitator. If its another thing I'm starting to notice its Whirlpool mixing their old design together with a modern one and spitting out something like this.

As for the video of the 4.2 Maytag washing away. I'm impressed. Same goes to the Amana. Rollover does look good and the machines overall sound levels seem lower with deep fill. But this is a major improvement from my view seeing how much of a mess it was a couple years ago and by watching the videos, despite me being all out for front loaders, i think I MIGHT consider another toploader if our current one was to go.

As for the fill times, I remember you could remove the flow restrictor on these units which would allow for a quicker fill. Are these restrictors still in place for the newer machines as well?

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I would take that Amana washer as shown in the video over the Maytag one shown earlier----Of course the top choice for TL fans would be-----The Speed Queens!!!the Amana agitator at least works properly-the auger moves in one direction.
 
Yes, the Cabrio and Bravos both had agitator models! Jamie posted a video a few years ago:



I agree with DADoES that GE still has the upper hand with the incremental Deep Fill feature. The WP is a huge improvement but could be an overkill. However from what I noticed, their AutoSense feature does a decent job of judging the loads.

Don't start with the Speed Queen rant Tolivac! hahaha
 
Agitated Cabrio

I used to own one of those agitated Cabrios. It was a really nice washer, but the agitation was too anemic for my taste. There are definitely machines that wash better for the price. I kind of want them to try the agitated models again with the current direct drive Cabrio architecture, only with a long agitation profile. Would definitely be a nice upgrade from my VMW.
 
wait a minute, hold up, wait, what?

That Amana, with the porcelain tub, deep water wash, and, what looks to me like an old school Whirlpool agitator - this almost looks essentially like an old school TL washer. I'm kind of shocked at the moment.
 
Agiate while filling

People need to realize that manufactures will do what ever they can to quietly compel users to swallow front load washers. The agitators in these newer HE washer as designed around low water levels and will actually clean worse with full tub of water despite the gimmick glued to the top if that impeller, but still can't outdo a traditional top load high or low. They agitate while filling so clothes will have the same level of wear as when used high or low. In short of these machines we will soon have consumer reports (and the like) articles reading like this:

"It has always been of great debate among precious Americans whether you can get that same level of laundry-day clean with less water. Critics argue new proven high efficiency earth saving bunny loving machines ruin clothes and have fewer cleaning abilities while they stubbornly cling to old, loud, noisy, grandma era machines which take away yearly supplies of clean, safe drinking water from 1 billion people all over the globe. Proponents who have made the switch claim their new humanity saving machines not only clean better, but keep clothes like new load after load after load. Some users actually report that their machines make new clothes while other find piles of cash in them every morning.

Well, at consumer reports we actually put all these claims to the test hoping to settle this age old debate thats perpetuated by infamous bigots living in the 50s. Our world renowned PhD level Scientists and Engineers made a monumental discovery. GE, Hotpoint, Maytag, Whirlpool, Roper, Aamana, Kenmore and many other highly respected companies actually offer a "deep water" wash feature across multiple models and line ups to help calm the irrational, delusional beliefs held by energy star hating extremists. When deep water wash is selected (we know folks, its stings just to read it) these machine will physically morph, reverting to a different set of factory installed programs which change the anatomical structure of the machine (and universe) into an autonomous binary secondary set of dormant traits becoming active during the stimulus expression process of trans human interface mobility. To break down this language only understood by our research panel (sorry you haven't been blessed with our superior cognitive abilities), these machines can turn from a normal high efficiency top load to an identical 70s top load- mass global droughts included- with the simple push of a button.

36 models were tested with identical fabrics cut into identical sizes with
identical soils. 9 base fabric types were used: cotton, rayon, polyester, nylon, wool, spandex, hemp, cashmere and silk, all of which were further dived up into make types, ie cotton denim and loose cotton. Soils were placed into 45 individual pair types sorted by color, chemical makeup, hardness, water solubility and the like. This lead to well over 50,000 variant combination of soil, fabric and weaving type.

Of these 50,000 variants, each was multiplied twice, then twice again and then again by 36 to cover each model. It is important to note that testing was done by cycle recommended for said fabric and washed in 6 pound dry loads.

After each fabric was washed leaving only half behind, all were then examined via a battery of tests for soil retention. Over 5000 ratting points scales were used to determine which machine scored best in clean ability in impeller wash vs deep water wash.

The second set of fabric were run continuously, 24 hours a day, for 2 months to determine accumulated wear. Each swatch was then examined for overall wearing, pitting, milling, tearing, linting and so forth on a 150 point-scale check list.


After over 500,000 accumulated data score points, the results were tallied up. Surprisingly to some, and as we expected, the impeller low water wash cleaned 25 to 60% better, and did best with grass, ketchup and other organic stains. Dirt was close, with only grease removal being similar to the deep fill option. One theory being that more water actually dilutes detergent, reducing its organic stain fighting power. Pet hair was only slightly better in the deep wash- but- we are aware that most users prefer machine dry over line dry so this issue may not be of issue.

Final results: impeller wins hands down.

Clothing durability. This is was surprise for us. Out of all the results, 93% were equal in wear, 4% less for deep water and 3% more for impeller. The slight increase in impeller may actually have been from washing swatches on casuals instead of delicate, however this small deviation is not one where the clean-ability, let along probability likens favor for a deep water wash.

In short, traditional deep fill washers and options actually clean worse, if not far worse; while only giving the same wear and tear as high efficiency machines. A total opposite of what the developmentally repressed crowd has been screaming. So, everyone with an ounce of common sense can happily switch that knob to HE, while others can junk their stone age arsenal buying a real washer giving real results without mass genociding the environment.

And we know our readers are smart and thus wonder, 'hey, why did you waste all that water for those deep fills?' Well, not to worry, we aren't sick like the energy hog lovers. 80% of the water was recycled by a system devolved by our NASA and CERN engineers working side by side to make sure no water went down the drain wasted. The other 20% came from rain water collected in our weather to water recovery system.

Bob Smith,

PhD and noble prize winner in everything"

Yet come reality do the same with a real agitator top load and the results will be polar opposites. The power of propaganda and deceptive manufacturing. :(
 
This is getting beyond ridiculous. Chetlaham, how many HE top-loaders have you owned and used for an extended period of time? My machine washes loads twice what the 3.6 cuft tub of the Whirlpool DirectDrives did, proven by actually loading the DD properly to the lip of the tub, then transferring that load to the BravosXL which filled it to just over half, then adding clothes the rest of the way to the rim of THAT tub, and it cleans, rinses, and extracts them brilliantly, and with no wear or even so much as a pulled string in two years. You're formulating all this baloney from speculation and word of mouth, and god knows the internet is more full of trolls bashing products just on principal and looking for a reaction than there are people giving their honest and experienced opinions.
 
I've found over the last 2 years of using both HE and traditional washing machines, that the HE impeller models do a much better job of stain removal (without pretreatment even) than regular washers. As far as wear and tear goes...I think that really depends on the machine and how it's loaded/cycle selected. I never overloaded my Filter Flo...and having such a small capacity that it does, made for lots more laundry doing. I haven't noticed any more wear after using that machine for a year, than I did using both the Hydrowave and the Kenmore Oasis machine I had after that.

I feel Andrew's frustration but at this point having so much hands on experience with various machines, there's really no argument for me. Both types of machines do the job, but I definitely lean towards HE impeller machines for better stain removal...with less work on the operators part. Sure the cycles take longer but the results are better.

I was ecstatic to see WP put agitators in these machines, like the MVWB765 that I just purchased. Honestly my biggest complaint with my Kenmore and other plain impeller machines, was that for large bulky items like blankets and comforters, there was a lot more "babysitting" so to speak, of the items to ensure they didn't get balled up or tangled. For most loads in these machines, the impeller will do a lot of the cleaning...admittedly before it fills completely with water. But once full, the agitator does keeps things moving freely and more productive.
 
Please remember,

That its just a parody. ;) Its was meant for laughs and giggles. Things are exaggerated greatly.

My point is that I don't see the newer impeller post agitators being as effective in a deep water wash as the older traditional agitators. Simply put they are designed around being used as just that: an impeller. The posts are just to attract customers who are used to having an agitator. But lets face it, whether we like it or not I predict that in 10 years time all washers will be front load.

As for the number of HE top load machines Ive used: Calypso, Maytag (old style) and a Maytag impeller. Yes these fit way more clothers, but for speed and clothing wear I am for toploads. This is not to say I'd reject a good front load like Speed Queen.
 

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