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when will we get full cycle / wash videos from these machines, i'm really curious about their new drum design and how they handle it with various different type of loads
 
There were videos of the dryer online from someone who got a dryer to test it out... but Miele probably had them taken down from YouTube.

The wash action on small loads is similar to LG's swing(?) motion, as in the clothes are tossed from side to side. Large loads are tumbled as any other washer does.
 
It's really interesting that this confirms that those 2 machines should be way more similar in reality than their data confirms on paper.

Both are 9kg, both have a hot fill option, both have similar cycle times on non-Eco cycyles.
But one is more than 2 inches deeper, spins slower and is 20% efficient on the Eco-Cycles.
Both drums even look the same on the pictures down to them appearing the same number of honeycombs deep.
The manuals even state the same weight of the machines!

I would have bet the WQ1200 would have a deeper drum. Bigger drum for the same load size means quicker wash times due to more movement.
Maybe they haven't adapted the cycles out of simplicity?

As it stands, I just don't understand what the WQ1200 does differently or why it exists or why it's several hundred euros more expensive if it's lesser in several factors.[this post was last edited: 3/3/2025-05:15]
 
On YouTube, the deeper models has a deeper drum as well. Although the execution seems rather cheap, not adding honeycombs or holes to the extended section. Maybe it's been changed?

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WQ1200 drum

I found out that the drum in the WQ1200 is 73 litres. The WQ1000 is 65 litres as per the current honeycomb 9 kg drum.

If you use the same litres/kg ratio, it could hold up to 10 kg. Maybe the deeper drum shown at IFA wasn't the final production run.

The models are listed on Miele spare parts portal

MSD

www4.miele.de www4.miele.de

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Oh, so it is deeper.
I was checking the parts list for the 1200 and 1000 and they both use the same dampers, on all drawings you could see the same number of honeycombs and the same weight made me believe they just had to have the same drum.
Especially since the German parts catalog does not list part numbers for the tub units, so I wasn't able to verify that.

Can you share where you got the info from?

65l vs 73l makes A LOT of sense. That's basically the same drum sizes as the LiGis: 57l, 64l and 71l.

There were machines with similar depths. The washer dryer combos always had 1 size drum down from what could fit in the cabinet as Miele fits the fan behind the tub on the WT1s.
That lead to the TOL 9/6kg WT1 being as deep as the LiGis at something slightly above 70cm though having the same size drum as the normal W1s.
LiGis all have the same cabinet regardless of tub size.

I've never seen one of the 8kg/71l LiGis IRL so I can't say if it's a blank ring added like on those videos.

Having a bigger drum at the same load size for a more efficient machine makes sense. Allows for more mechanical action, which in turn allows you to reduce energy usage.
Given that chemistry is fixed and time is limited as well on the new energy label, that's 100% what they've done there.

Why they limited the spin to 1400rpm and haven't shortened the regular cycles or at least offered a 10kg version with just class A seems weird to me still.
 
So, A-20% is their highest efficiency? Seems interesting, since other brands are up to 50% more efficient (or even better, maybe). Then again, savings are rather small, given how little energy these machines use on Eco.

The Miele user manual page already lists a TQ 1400 WP C Nova Edition, but I couldn't find anything about it yet.
 
So far, Mieles highest efficiency is A -20% which they even get on 9kg W1s.
But Miele never competed with those absurd efficiencys.
Given how little the Eco 40-60 cycle is actually used (and useful) it's pretty much a moot point to go for a machine for anything after the A.

ELux has gone down to -60% on their TOL Series 9000 machine. Insane...

There are several machines with weird, non EU model numbers in Mieles German user manual data base - many of which can be traced back to Miele China of all things.
They always have only the warranty documents in the drop down.

Wouldn't be surprised the TQ 1400 ends up being such a model.
 
Can you share where you got the info from?

Hi henene4,

I'm in a group on FB called Miele Welt. The person was going to ask someone at Miele about it.

I haven't heard back, but as you mentioned, it does make sense with more room for the laundry to move around.

Miele launched a 10 kg W1 for the Italian market but still uses the 65-liter drum.

https://www.miele.it/product/125827...ca-frontale-wek375-wps-pwashe10kg-bianco-loto

I have a W1 9 kg and 7 kg load, which I find I can fit in without squeezing it in hard.

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3.5 hours for a 9kg Cottons extra dry program, that doesn't seem great. Is there a legislative reason they've had to slow the cottons cycle down so much, when they're doing the testing against the Eco cycle?

I was excited by the idea of getting one until I read that. My "Vintage" 8kg models do a full load to extra dry in 90-120 mins.
 
Keep in mind those times are from 1000rpm. Going to 1600rpm will save about 25% of time, bring you down to 3h or there abouts.
At 9kg that's still reasonably fast.

The old cycle list still states 3h ish for the 1600rpm normal dry, and extra dry is still just a few minutes more than Normal.

And you'll never really dry 9kg in that drum, it's still just 120l ish.

9kg is something like 45 T-shirts...

Plus you can speed up drying if you want to - the Quick option should be available.

And at 3h you'd still be in time with the matching washer, basically.
 
3.5 hours drying time

Yeah, that doesn't seem great, but I've never put that much in my dryer. The largest load would have been 7 kg. When I wash towels now, I use the Cottons Eco 60, which does a much longer 1600 rpm spin. The load in the T1 EcoSpeed dryer is 1 hour 51 minutes.

It would be interesting to see how much time is saved with the PowerDry option.
 
QuickPowerDry says it can do 4kg in 49min.
That's about in line with other similar systems (like Arceliks 5kg in 1h).

Extrapolated from that, 9kg would take something just shy of 2h.
My VZug claims to do 7kg in about 90min on its speed setting, which again, seems about in line.

I don't think much has actually changed about the dryer per se.
It's still 9kg A+++ -10%.
Miele's Passion dryer got the same updated ratings table in the German manual and is 10min faster on Eco, but 10min slower in Cottons Extra Dry.
 
Now there's something interesting.
In the footnotes, Miele claims that even Eco 40-60 in conjunction with their TwinDos detergent supposedly reaches "qualified hygiene standards", an so does QPW 60°.

But the videos show quite effectively why they need a bedding cycle for the washer now.
All that rolling will be no good with such loads.
 

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