New miele washer and dryer

[launderess]

Recirculation Pumps & H-Axis Washing Machines

Years ago when one was just starting out on the Internet and becoming *more* interested in laundry appliances, came across an article online about future of H-Axis washer design. Long story short is that once water levels go below a certain point you pretty much must have some sort of recirculation system to get the job done to any satisfaction.

Normally with H-Axis washers there is enough water that "scoop and ladle" of water along with gravity will do the job. When you move to lower and lower water levels that system will only get you but so far as much of the water is absorbed by the washing with little excess to be ladled about.

As shown in pictures of my AEG Lavamat during a normal "cottons/easy care" cycle there is *VERY* little water to be seen. Certainly much less than what one is used to from the Miele with it's five gallons of water per wash cycle.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

Looks amazing
IFA starts tomorrow, so I guess even more pics?
Hopefully we can see it working too.

2014?? Thats a while to wait, but hopefully the date will be brought forward, especially if there's a lot of interest at IFA.
Hopefully some Youtubers will be able to Upload vids of the new machine working.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Miele W1 and T1 Laundry Series...

Looking great and a welcome style change with a fab range of features, PowerStream, TwinDos, and Flacons of Fragrence.....What Next?

 

[chris74]

The door on the dryer...

It is looking a bit strange, I think. The glass is somehow oval or is a drying rack inserted in the latest picture?

Besides, nothing new from IFA '13?

 

[foraloysius]

It looks indeed like the opening is oval.

 

[henene4]

Washer wise nothing really new. Just some options like the "Hygiene"-Option comming on BSH washers, AEG steamdryers and thats pretty much all I know about.
I red through the German text and was verry curious about seing them in reallife. The thing why the drum looks somehow other is that it is indeed a completly new deigned and engeniered drum. It is called the "Thermoschontrommel" (don't know how to say in english). It got bigger, more bendend honey combs and even smaller wholes.And, they say, all washers have AT LEAST 8kg drum volume. Maybe a 9kg or even bigger vesion comming?
On the other hand, they switched the steam off the washers onto the dryers, giving the washers the option pre-ironing which heats up the drum after the spin to reduce wrinkels.
The dryerdoor is shaped like that because of the "fragrencedos" feature which is nothing more like the previously released system and because of the filter being designed ton catch even more fluff.
No, thats not the dryer-rack, it is just a glass-shape to guide air.
What I am keen on is seing the pre-ironing option and some of the ProgrammManager options at work as well as the new and only on the market programm where you tell the washer which few items you add, like shirt,jeans,pair of socks, underwear and then it modells a perfect wash cycle...

 

[henene4]

Now, finally, they are on the German Miele website. Maybe not right know readable, but they are listed

 

[logixx]

Here's some more info:

http://laundry.reviewed.com/news/miele-wows-with-brand-new-washer-dryer-debuts
 

http://laundry.reviewed.com/features/miele-pod-plan-could-change-laundry-detergent-forever
 

http://laundry.reviewed.com/features/exploded-the-insides-of-appliances-revealed

 

[MrX]

It's a pity they're not doing a vented option on the dryer though.

Is heat-pump condensing really that much more efficient than vented?

I don't really understand why all the manufacturers are so obsessed with condensing dryers. Core-drilling a hole in the wall of your house isn't THAT big a deal.

I can understand it might be an issue for apartment-dwellers, but up here, that's a relatively small % of the market. Most of us have plenty of gable walls.

 

[launderess]

Core-drilling a hole in the wall of your house isn't THA

Not so much the work but some codes simply restrict that sort of thing period. Take Paris and other major urban and or historic cities in France. You simply aren't going to be allowed to drill holes in those Haussmann or other historic buildings.

 

[foraloysius]

According to the German Miele website, a vented dryer consumes 3.58kWh for a standard program fully loaded. A heatpump dryer consumes 2.14kWh for the same load.

 

[frontloaderfan]

Thermoschontrommel...

"Gentle thermo-drum" perhaps?

 

[italmex]

I'm sure this machines will be great. For the caps idea is like the Nespresso concept. Also the box presentation is like the coffee one. Even the stand at IFA feel like a Nestle one. The bottom line... still a Miele great product.

 

[henene4]

Yeah, really like the BOL dryer as it is as efficent as the other dryers (except one being A++ in sted of A+), not more expensive the the others and pretty easy to use and has everything you need. And, what I'm suprised about, they offer some 9kg washers...

 

[lavamat_jon]

Brochure now on the German website.

 

Can't quite decide whether I like the chrome or white series better!

http://miele.de/ex/prospects/de/2013_04/9721 310_Prospekt_NWG2013/pdf/all.pdf

 

[henene4]

Would have to see them in real life. The white ones are concarv on the front from the panel to the feet. Don't know if I like this ore if I just love it

 

[MrX]

@launderess

The vast majority of buildings aren't Hausmann areas of Paris or protected structures. Situations like that are pretty much special cases.

Apartment buildings obviously have issues if you don't own the external walls of the building.

However, your typical suburban home, doesn't have any issue with being core drilled (as long as you avoid the wiring, plumbing, cat etc)

 

[launderess]

From Speaking With Friends In Frace

Upshot for most was that if extracted properly things will dry fast enough being left line drying either indoors or out. Electric rates being dear the results often are faster (during warmer parts of the year), then messing about with a condenser dryer. If they live in any of the large cities such as Paris local launderettes have larger and more powerful dryers that will get the job done say in winter and or when weather does not permit good drying.

One GF said she simply does a load early in the day and hangs things up before leaving for work/going out for the day. By the time she returns things are dry.

Most of one's friends in France live in cities, haven't heard back from those that live in the countryside.

 

[henene4]

Well, most new German houses today are built mostly air tight with a special temperature exchanger venting system, so, core-drilling would just blow up the several thousands you have to pay for that.
By the way, these systems are being used espacially in low enegy houses and such things...

 

[chris74]

Pre-iron

What is that? Also, I'm not convinced regarding twin-dos and cap-dos... But as far as I understand, one can use detergents and additives independently from that.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Pre-Iron

Think of it as an After Thermal Spin - a small amount of water covers the heater but doesnt enter the drum, the water is heated to steam and permeates the new long slits along the drum paddles, tumbling occurs after the spin and with the drum being hot and a small amount of steam, the clothes are tumbled wrinkle free, or less free before being put in a dryer or hung up / out!!

I do like the idea of i-dos, but like you say also the ability to use powders etc and other additives. Looking forward to seeing them launched.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

chestermikeuk I read that Pre-iron is completely different to steam in that it heats the drum up, and then you add the clothes to the machine, something to do with the bigger hexagons, the hold heat better, something like that. But I guess it could, as you say, be like Hotpoint's/electrolux's steam where it heats up the steam inside the tub - as opposed to a generator.

Pre-iron I've noticed is only available on the lower range (single line display), the large display models still have steam generators inside and a steam option, instead of pre-iron.

 

[chris74]

I think of it as gimmickery

When the clothes are distributed to the sides of the metal drum, it will set even more wrinkles, I bet and these will be even harder to remove...

 

[logixx]

I thought the heater would come on after the (automatically reduced) spin cycle and heats the drum so that clothes are tumbled aginst a heated surface - similar to what happens during ironing. That's how I understand it.

 

"When the 'Pre-ironing' option is selected, the new honeycomb drum is pre-heated. The hot drum and the new sculptured surface with its larger hexagons and wider channels removes the wrinkles from laundry even before the load is transferred to the tumble dryer. Depending on the programme, this additional function can be simply selected at the touch of a button."

 

http://www.miele-presse.de/de/en/press/article/artikel_116_2013.aspx

 

[joe_in_philly]

Interesting. What is "laddering?"

 

[foraloysius]

Laddering is what happens to for instance nylon stockings.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Yes......

The heater does come on with the very small amount of water in the sump area, so it heats the metal surface of the drum (which acts like an iron) with risidual heat and a tiny amount of steam / water which raises the temp of the drum, because of the honycombs as opposed to holes, the heat mainly stays in the gap between the inner drums, warming up the inner drum...hence it being called "SoftSteam"

The Zug Adora uses this type of steam operation instead of a separate generator!!

 

[joe_in_philly]

Louis:

Do you mean they get stretched out-of-shape?

 

[logixx]

Do a Google Picture Search on "laddered tights" and you'll see.

More on the Miele

http://w1.miele.de/de/de/einfuehrung/

 

[launderess]

Laddering Of Stockings or Tights

Are called "runs" on this side of the pond.