New miele washer and dryer

[chestermikeuk]

Pre-Iron

Think of it as an After Thermal Spin - a small amount of water covers the heater but doesnt enter the drum, the water is heated to steam and permeates the new long slits along the drum paddles, tumbling occurs after the spin and with the drum being hot and a small amount of steam, the clothes are tumbled wrinkle free, or less free before being put in a dryer or hung up / out!!

I do like the idea of i-dos, but like you say also the ability to use powders etc and other additives. Looking forward to seeing them launched.

 

[glenfieldmathk1]

chestermikeuk I read that Pre-iron is completely different to steam in that it heats the drum up, and then you add the clothes to the machine, something to do with the bigger hexagons, the hold heat better, something like that. But I guess it could, as you say, be like Hotpoint's/electrolux's steam where it heats up the steam inside the tub - as opposed to a generator.

Pre-iron I've noticed is only available on the lower range (single line display), the large display models still have steam generators inside and a steam option, instead of pre-iron.

 

[chris74]

I think of it as gimmickery

When the clothes are distributed to the sides of the metal drum, it will set even more wrinkles, I bet and these will be even harder to remove...

 

[logixx]

I thought the heater would come on after the (automatically reduced) spin cycle and heats the drum so that clothes are tumbled aginst a heated surface - similar to what happens during ironing. That's how I understand it.

 

"When the 'Pre-ironing' option is selected, the new honeycomb drum is pre-heated. The hot drum and the new sculptured surface with its larger hexagons and wider channels removes the wrinkles from laundry even before the load is transferred to the tumble dryer. Depending on the programme, this additional function can be simply selected at the touch of a button."

 

http://www.miele-presse.de/de/en/press/article/artikel_116_2013.aspx

 

[joe_in_philly]

Interesting. What is "laddering?"

 

[foraloysius]

Laddering is what happens to for instance nylon stockings.

 

[chestermikeuk]

Yes......

The heater does come on with the very small amount of water in the sump area, so it heats the metal surface of the drum (which acts like an iron) with risidual heat and a tiny amount of steam / water which raises the temp of the drum, because of the honycombs as opposed to holes, the heat mainly stays in the gap between the inner drums, warming up the inner drum...hence it being called "SoftSteam"

The Zug Adora uses this type of steam operation instead of a separate generator!!

 

[joe_in_philly]

Louis:

Do you mean they get stretched out-of-shape?

 

[logixx]

Do a Google Picture Search on "laddered tights" and you'll see.

More on the Miele

http://w1.miele.de/de/de/einfuehrung/

 

[launderess]

Laddering Of Stockings or Tights

Are called "runs" on this side of the pond.

 

[joe_in_philly]

Thanks, everyone. I was being dense. I understand now.

 

[logixx]

First video by another user from the German forum: Delicate 30C + normal soil + quick

 

 

[NewMieleUser]

cost?

Some great discussion on this new Miele but does anyone have any idea on a rough cost? Even just ballpark would do.Am looking to get a new washer dryer here in the UK for a house move in around Easter next year and these models seem perfet.
Thanks

 

[logixx]

This brochure, although in German, does list the price for every machine. The washers are from 1.300 to 2.000 Euros and the dryers range from 1.200 to 1.600 Euros - to give you a rough idea.
 
http://miele.de/ex/prospects/de/2013_04/9721 310_Prospekt_NWG2013/pdf/all.pdf

 

[henene4]

But these seem to be not as good as they should be for that price....

 

[foraloysius]

I saw one of these machines in Germany last week. I noticed that main dial can't be set straight upward. It's always a bit off to the left or to the right. It looked a bit odd to me.

 

[mrwash]

We had quite a discussion about the machines in the German Forum. 3 to 5 members already have those machines. While one half is satisfied, the other half is not so convinced, we even had a case where the Miele service had to come (now for the third time) because of several issues. It seems that the machines still have some "growing pains" and I think it is better to wait like a year or so, so that Miele is able to have some feedback and to fix those issues.

I think I will stay with my Supertronic as I am not all enthusiastic about the new range like others.

 

[johnnybu]

@mrwash

Can you give us the link to this german forum please? Thank you!

 

[logixx]

Try this (you must be registered, though)
 
http://mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/forum/index.php?nxu=42838121nx1057

Here's a Miele that belongs to one of the German members - fast-forward to about 20:00 to hear it spin... :-(

 

[moon1234]

Called Miele USA and asked when they are coming to the USA. Miele said they have no intentions of bringing the newer line to the USA in the next three years. They directed me to the professional line for an 8KG washer.

While I like the Octoblue, the price is crazy expensive.

We have a W4840 that we have 6000 hours on. We bought it a little over five years ago. It has NOT been maintenance free. We have had the rubber door seal replaced once (soon to be done again) due to it leaking from the front door, the door latch has been replaced/upgraded. Now the water path control unit needs to be replaced. It just clicks and then the cycle aborts with an F63 fault code.

The T9800 Dryer has had the belt replaced, heat sensor replaced and the lint trap replaced with one that had larger holes. The one with the smaller holes would cause the dryer to overheat.

My quote from Miele for the most recent breakdown, F63 fault code, is $550 to $600. $199 for the Water Path Control Unit, $80/hour labor, $110 Diagnosis Fee and $150 trip charge.

It is very frustrating for me. We are a family of 10 people and do 4-6 loads of laundry EACH day plus diapers. We had bought a Bosch AXXIS WAS24460UC washer JUST for diapers. It lasted a sum total of 18 months and the motor died. I have not replaced the motor yet. That is a $200 fix if I do the motor myself.

I don't know what to buy that is going to last. I would love a Miele Professional line, but I just can't understand why they provide a one year warranty on a $4000-$6000 washer? It doesn't make any sense!

My wife wants to just chuck all the Miele stuff and get a couple Electrolux FL washers and replace them every few years. She said she is tired of waiting two to four weeks to have a washer repaired and that Miele just does not hold up like they claim.

Anyone have thoughts on what to do? We are getting the W4840 fixed for now, but I feel a new washer will be purchased after the next breakdown. We need something that can withstand our laundry volume and still has a true sanitize function (diapers, etc.)