This is a program to solve three things, housing, energy use and unemployment. Get rid of appliances and, like in other underdeveloped parts of the world, have live-in servants to do the work currently done by energy-using appliances.
new rules will allow only 3.1 gallons to be used to wash each load of dishes.
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arbilab
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Roughly equivalent to washing them in the toilet with 2 flushes.
Next thing you know,we can't use ANY water and will have to eat from paper plates and cups!
BUT....
that would use too many trees and have to be buried in a landfill or recycled or burned and thus pollute the air. Catch 22
that would use too many trees and have to be buried in a landfill or recycled or burned and thus pollute the air. Catch 22
I own a new KA, bought at Lowes, and I can tell you right now its not the KA that I bought 8 years ago. I prewash nearly everything before loading, because if I don't it won't even remove coffee film on coffee cups and that using the tough cycle too. You can hear it trying to find the water. I use Cascade packs. The cycle times are sooo long. [Thank heaven I circumvented this issue on my new purchase of a good washer.] I just hand wash now a lot of the time if I don't have a lot of dishes piled up.
mrb627
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You can hear it trying to find the water
You may have a blocked fill valve screen. Next time you hear it gasping for water, open it and add a half gallon. See if that improves results.
Malcolm
You may have a blocked fill valve screen. Next time you hear it gasping for water, open it and add a half gallon. See if that improves results.
Malcolm
warmsecondrinse
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Gusherb:
Even my decidedly non-geek (for appliances) boyfriend cracked up at that post. Thanks!
Jim
Even my decidedly non-geek (for appliances) boyfriend cracked up at that post. Thanks!
Jim
Gusherb!
I love your post scrub cycle!! Send it on over !!
I love your post scrub cycle!! Send it on over !!
gusherb
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Ok, but please note if you wish to activate the pot scrub cycle you must feed him lots of food and give him lots of belly rubs. And I want him back when you're done! New dishwashers are hard to train and I got this one just right...
mielerod69
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Just get a new Miele professional
with a 6 minute cycle!
with a 6 minute cycle!
Here ya go:
Those rules are not slated to go into effect until 2019.
norgeway
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I try to do EVERYTHING
The government says not to...I use a 30 year old washer, a 42 year old dryer, a 25 year old dishwasher, my wash and dishwaher water drains into a floor drain in the basement and then out into a ditch outside.."Stupid government!, im RECYCLING the water!!LOL
The government says not to...I use a 30 year old washer, a 42 year old dryer, a 25 year old dishwasher, my wash and dishwaher water drains into a floor drain in the basement and then out into a ditch outside.."Stupid government!, im RECYCLING the water!!LOL
I am with Norgeway!!!Screw the regs!!!
late to the party
Late to the party, but this is still happening. Look at what just happened with Maytag dishwashers recently. All of their dishwashers alternate spray arms.
What? Do they think we're stupid? If you think this is the end of it, think again. These people will stop at nothing to ruin our appliances. Story to be continued! I am sick and tired of these regs telling us what to do! I'm with Washman, Norgeway and Tolivac! SHEESH!!!! SMH!!!![this post was last edited: 10/13/2023-10:25]
Late to the party, but this is still happening. Look at what just happened with Maytag dishwashers recently. All of their dishwashers alternate spray arms.
What? Do they think we're stupid? If you think this is the end of it, think again. These people will stop at nothing to ruin our appliances. Story to be continued! I am sick and tired of these regs telling us what to do! I'm with Washman, Norgeway and Tolivac! SHEESH!!!! SMH!!!![this post was last edited: 10/13/2023-10:25]
late by about 8 or 9 years... Alternating wash arms isn't anything new, and I dont think it makes much sense to raise a stink about it. Whirlpools latest generation of dishwashers wash better than the point voyager my family was using for 14 years, and that was what maytags machines were based upon. Idk about you, but I'd consider it an upgrade.
Marco, I totally agree with you.
A good dishwasher (for me anyway) uses 10-12.5 gallons of water on the normal cycle and runs all the wash arms at the same time without varying motor speed or having the pump pull air or water with cavitation.
If you really want to save water do what commercial DW do - re-use the rinse water. Collect the rinse water in a sump, start the cycle and heat the water via an in sump heater. Wash through a pair of high pressure wash arms that blasts away dirt. Drain, then start the water inlet temperature booster. Open fill valve, run the water through the booster where it goes to 185*F then route this heated water through a second set of spray arms that fans the water jets spraying down all dishes and utensils. Water collects in the sump for the next cycle. If the sump needs a top off or is empty water valve is opened to fill the sump then a pressure switch satisfies to start the sump heater.
I know Jackson under-counter glassware DWs (among most others) use this scheme. It was another machine I assumed the wiring diagram would put a rapid advance Kitchen-Aid to shame but only to be surprised it was not far off from that of a Potscrubber. Literally 6 cammed micro switches cycled all the components in a 90 second cycle.
You need a 240 volt connection to do all this- which I think all homes should have a 240 volt dishwasher. Even nicer would be if all homes had a 415 volt 3 phase supply. 7,200 watts at 3 phase 415 pulls 10 amps. A single 14/3 home run would get the job done. 5 minute normal cycle, 15 minute potscrubber cycle, 10 minute forced air blower. Rinse cycle has steam curtaining from all 4 edges of the door as the shrieking sound of an espresso machine is heard. Kitchen lights shadowed by thick steam.
Who has time to wait?
If you really want to save water do what commercial DW do - re-use the rinse water. Collect the rinse water in a sump, start the cycle and heat the water via an in sump heater. Wash through a pair of high pressure wash arms that blasts away dirt. Drain, then start the water inlet temperature booster. Open fill valve, run the water through the booster where it goes to 185*F then route this heated water through a second set of spray arms that fans the water jets spraying down all dishes and utensils. Water collects in the sump for the next cycle. If the sump needs a top off or is empty water valve is opened to fill the sump then a pressure switch satisfies to start the sump heater.
I know Jackson under-counter glassware DWs (among most others) use this scheme. It was another machine I assumed the wiring diagram would put a rapid advance Kitchen-Aid to shame but only to be surprised it was not far off from that of a Potscrubber. Literally 6 cammed micro switches cycled all the components in a 90 second cycle.
You need a 240 volt connection to do all this- which I think all homes should have a 240 volt dishwasher. Even nicer would be if all homes had a 415 volt 3 phase supply. 7,200 watts at 3 phase 415 pulls 10 amps. A single 14/3 home run would get the job done. 5 minute normal cycle, 15 minute potscrubber cycle, 10 minute forced air blower. Rinse cycle has steam curtaining from all 4 edges of the door as the shrieking sound of an espresso machine is heard. Kitchen lights shadowed by thick steam.
Who has time to wait?
rinse aid
And don't forget to add rinse aid during final rinse, chetlaham.
And don't forget to add rinse aid during final rinse, chetlaham.
10+ gal?!?
That's 38l - I can wash laundry with that!
I can handwash dishes with that.
Even Mieles current professional machines don't use that.
Those have 75l/min (20gal/min) recirculation rates - if I understand the parts diagram they actually use 2 recirculation pumps.
That's 38l - I can wash laundry with that!
I can handwash dishes with that.
Even Mieles current professional machines don't use that.
Those have 75l/min (20gal/min) recirculation rates - if I understand the parts diagram they actually use 2 recirculation pumps.
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