New SQ Agitator

[johnrk]

Looking through some of the delightful vintage ads offered on this site, I've seen a bunch of agitators that look rather like the SQ new one coming out this next year, with the straight vanes going to the bottom and flaring out the same. I just saw a Thor Automagic ad with the same agitator, only in black.

Certainly, from what I've seen here, the members are quite pessimistic about the washing ability of this new machine. So much of that negativity seems to be aimed at the agitator design.

Was this design abandoned because it wasn't aggressive enough? I know it was used on several brands back in the 'old days'.

 

[combo52]

New SQ TL Agitator [ If You Can Call It That ]

The lower fins are lower than about any other agitator ever used and most of all the agitator is bolted to the SMOOTH wash basket, it does not do much, I watched almost an hours worth of SQ promotional videos of this washer working [ under ideal SQ staged conditions I might add ] and it does not do much.

All the videos were shown at full water level and lightly loaded, they did not show any operation on the Eco-normal wash cycle where the WL would be sensed automatically and probably be much lower, [ maybe it will wash better with less water ? ]

The only good thing I can say about the new agitation system is it will be far more gentile on clothing and the machine is much quieter.

John L.

 

[johnrk]

John L

So why do you think Alliance intentionally designed a machine that wouldn't wash well?

 

[mrb627]

My Take-Away...

In the current 2017 model, the wash action is at the bottom of the tub and clothing needs to circulate there to receive the surge of water.

In the new machine, the cleaning action is all throughout the tub. The water will surge over, around, and through the clothes when the agi-tub changes direction. So, less is more, the clothing should ideally ride back and forth with the agitator and let the water circulate through the load.

Thoughts?

Malcolm

 

[duttyb11]

I don't like it....

I mean come on people lets be honest here...they could have done better and we all know it. They could have put ribs on the sides on the tub walls even small ones or they could have put a reciruclating pump that cascasdes the wash water over the clothing as it is washing in low water levels. I like this machine, but it could have been designed better for better cleaning and still not damaged clothing. It's a shame really. I know time will tell, but damn it pisses me off.

 

[johnrk]

I'm Sorry,

but I don't 'know it'. It's not in my nature to assume bad things about people without sufficient information.

I'm no washing machine expert. I do realize that such things as adding ribs on the wash tub could've been done easily. Etc.

Perhaps Alliance is lying to all of us when they state that their new design washes better than the existing one. However, again, I won't assume that either.

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>duttyb11:  ... or they could have put a reciruclating pump that cascasdes the wash water over the clothing as it is washing in low water levels.</blockquote> I haven't yet watched the Sales Training video.  Does it show an example of low-level washing?  I haven't seen that in the other vids thus far.

 

[foraloysius]

If only I'd get a dollar for every assumption on this site...

Before condemning this machine I suggest we wait until we have seen a full cycle video or hear from some personal experience.

 

[duttyb11]

Yes it does...

the video kirk put up shows low level washing and it is as bad as the whirlpool with a wash plate, and no it does not have a circulationg pump. the wash action is terrible.

 

[mrb627]

Even At Low Water Levels...

The clothing is submerged in the water.
The recirculating pump would be worthless.

I don't think we have seen enough of the washing action to condemn the brand and the rush to judgement is irrational.

Malcolm

 

[johnrk]

mrb627

Agreed. This is a premium-priced product. Any design of the plastic agitator would cost roughly the same amount, so why intentionally design it to not work well? If this were a $300 washer being redesigned, I would view it differently. I don't get the impression, regardless of company propaganda, that these folks intentionally redesigned the machine over a 3-year period to not do as well as their past machines. Doesn't make sense. But, of course, how long did Maytag spend designing the original Neptune? I'm a perpetual optimist, though, and regardless, I have this two-month-old AWN432 that'll be here hopefully until I die.

 

[duttyb11]

Did you not see the one short clip of the clothes with low..

water level before kirk had to take them down? The wash action was terrible it was just moving back and forth...you really don't think it needed a circulation pump then? It was terrible....if thats what autofill does when you select it from the start of a cycle who needs it? It's a shame you can't go view that video again but kirk had to take it down.

 

[johnrk]

I Thought

it was made clear that autofill was part of the Eco thing...am I wrong? I thought the guy said owners could still choose their water level on the regular cycles.

 

[johnrk]

In the end run,

I don't get my clothes or any other laundry particularly dirty. I can't see ANY washer on the market not getting my clothes clean--as long as they get wet and exposed to the detergent. Those plate things still seem to leave too much not getting wet at all, or just to rinse spray. I've watched several owned by friends in a few brands, just not impressed.

Fortunately, we have a choice.

 

[mrb627]

Short video

So you are assuming from a video clip of less than three agitation strokes that this machine doesn't clean at all? And that you could have designed something better? Have you submitted your resume to Alliance yet?

Malcolm

 

[johnrk]

Thanks, Malcolm

Glad to see that everyone on here isn't leaping to conclusions-

 

[DADoES]

 
The vids have been taken down as I expected.

 

[supersurgilator]

"So you are assuming from a video clip of less than three agitation strokes that this machine doesn't clean at all?"

Exactly! thanks Malcolm. while I can't make up my mind just yet, I think it will still clean better than an impeller model ANY day. I agree, I don't think SQ would take all of this time and effort in redesigning and testing a machine this thoroughly if it didn't actually work well

 

[imperial70]

So many people judge so fast. If I had listened to the opinions I wouldn't have purchased my GE front loader that has been serving me well for over 2 years and is excellent at stain removal.

I would say this isn't the "gray water" rinse machines of a few years ago. Just be patient and wait and see.