New Stinky FLs hit the news!
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richardc1983
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People really should know to do regular maintenance washes to get rid of any build up! Imagine whats going on in the pipes!
richardc1983
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That and remembering to leave the door ajar to let it dry out and air circulate!
hoover1100
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I don't get it
possibly the lack of high temperatures or quality of US detergents?
Follow those tips here, and descale the machine now and then if you live in a hard water area and you won't have any problems like that whatsoever!
Bizarre
Matt
possibly the lack of high temperatures or quality of US detergents?
Follow those tips here, and descale the machine now and then if you live in a hard water area and you won't have any problems like that whatsoever!
Bizarre
Matt
iheartmaytag
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I think the advice about the trap is good. Unfortunately the owner's manual doesn't cover this issue, maybe because they want you to pay for a service call. However, Sear's service didn't service the trap anyway so it would be best if they would just make it user servicable.
I don't understand why Americans have such frequent problems with mold and unplesant odors in their front loaders. Here in Europe as far as I know no one have such problems.
Maybe some of you guys can explain me this.
Ingemar
Maybe some of you guys can explain me this.
Ingemar
iheartmaytag
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Maybe some of you guys can explain me this.
I believe it has to do with the fact that we are a Top Load society. People are just starting to learn how to operate the FL machines. Even Consumer reports says that leaving the door open is a safety issue, so people think they are doing the right thing by closing it up tight. This lends a nice warm, moist breeding area for mold.
With my TL machine, I always left the lid open when it wasn't operating. Same for the door of my FL machine now. That with the trap issue formerly mentioned, and the over use of softner, and high sudsing detergent some people get ICK!!!
I believe it has to do with the fact that we are a Top Load society. People are just starting to learn how to operate the FL machines. Even Consumer reports says that leaving the door open is a safety issue, so people think they are doing the right thing by closing it up tight. This lends a nice warm, moist breeding area for mold.
With my TL machine, I always left the lid open when it wasn't operating. Same for the door of my FL machine now. That with the trap issue formerly mentioned, and the over use of softner, and high sudsing detergent some people get ICK!!!
randycmaynard
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Odors in Front Load washers.......
Issue is with closing the machine door when it's not in use and lack of running a regular clean cycle with a machine cleaner and if you find those machine cleaing tablets too expensive try using a diswashing tablet. By all means when you do a clean cycle use the hottest water setting possible on the machine and when it's done leave the door open a little so air can circulate and leave it open after you finish your wash for the day as well. One last thing - be sure to keep the softener residue/build up cleaned up in the dispenser - it will cause odors as well and build up in the actual wash tub and on the washer basket(drum) will be taken care of in the clean cycle.
Randy in Knox,TN
Issue is with closing the machine door when it's not in use and lack of running a regular clean cycle with a machine cleaner and if you find those machine cleaing tablets too expensive try using a diswashing tablet. By all means when you do a clean cycle use the hottest water setting possible on the machine and when it's done leave the door open a little so air can circulate and leave it open after you finish your wash for the day as well. One last thing - be sure to keep the softener residue/build up cleaned up in the dispenser - it will cause odors as well and build up in the actual wash tub and on the washer basket(drum) will be taken care of in the clean cycle.
Randy in Knox,TN
safetty issue?
quote: Iheartmaytag "Even Consumer reports says that leaving the door open is a safety issue, so people think they are doing the right thing by closing it up tight."
Hi I have never ever heard of leaving a FL door open being a safety issue.
What could happen, someone walking into it?, in all my years of appliance repairs I have never heard of this being a safety issue or problem, unless anyone can tell me differently?
Dont want to appear to be taking you to task on this Iheartmaytag but what consumer report have said this is a saftety issue?
quote: Iheartmaytag "Even Consumer reports says that leaving the door open is a safety issue, so people think they are doing the right thing by closing it up tight."
Hi I have never ever heard of leaving a FL door open being a safety issue.
What could happen, someone walking into it?, in all my years of appliance repairs I have never heard of this being a safety issue or problem, unless anyone can tell me differently?
Dont want to appear to be taking you to task on this Iheartmaytag but what consumer report have said this is a saftety issue?
ronhic
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Bertrum
There have been cases where children have climbed into US front load machines - remember, they have much larger doors than European machines.
BUT...
Liquid detergents, cool wash temperatures and over-use of fabric softeners (and fabric softeners in general) will cause build ups in any machine be they front or top loaders....
......and wipe the door seal out too!
There have been cases where children have climbed into US front load machines - remember, they have much larger doors than European machines.
BUT...
Liquid detergents, cool wash temperatures and over-use of fabric softeners (and fabric softeners in general) will cause build ups in any machine be they front or top loaders....
......and wipe the door seal out too!
ronhic
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mmmmmm......
have just watched the news item....
....and feel quite vindicated.
NOW lets just hope the public LISTEN
have just watched the news item....
....and feel quite vindicated.
NOW lets just hope the public LISTEN
laundromat
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I Think
That it's the abusive owners who stink not the front loaders!If they're that stupid to not even comprehend the care of any appliance they abuse,they deserve to get a stinky washer.If you have any common sense it will tell you that any steam or humidity that is entrapped will stagnate and get moldy and some mildew is sure to grow.Those who wash daily will not have this issue.
That it's the abusive owners who stink not the front loaders!If they're that stupid to not even comprehend the care of any appliance they abuse,they deserve to get a stinky washer.If you have any common sense it will tell you that any steam or humidity that is entrapped will stagnate and get moldy and some mildew is sure to grow.Those who wash daily will not have this issue.
iheartmaytag
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Hi I have never ever heard of leaving a FL door open being a
It was stated in the article linked on the OP.
There was one case that I knew of where a small child climed in, then his sibling proceeded to turn the machine on.
Any empty item is an attraction to a child. Refrigerators, dishwashers, and fl washers. TL washers are not so much of an attraction because of the agitator. I think that TL washers withouth agitators will immediately drain if the lid is opened to prevent a drowning danger. (don't quote me on this, I've only heard no real experience) When I was little my brother put me in the dryer more than several times. It happens.
It was stated in the article linked on the OP.
There was one case that I knew of where a small child climed in, then his sibling proceeded to turn the machine on.
Any empty item is an attraction to a child. Refrigerators, dishwashers, and fl washers. TL washers are not so much of an attraction because of the agitator. I think that TL washers withouth agitators will immediately drain if the lid is opened to prevent a drowning danger. (don't quote me on this, I've only heard no real experience) When I was little my brother put me in the dryer more than several times. It happens.
mysteryclock
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Explain to me...
... how we can have ultra Eco silver steam gear strapped to all of these washers, but nobody's managed to figure out how to use the load sensor to detect an empty washer and activate a quiet computer-style vent fan to circulate fresh air in the washer and dry it out completely? It would only take a few watts and would probably work as well as leaving the door on if it was designed right.
... how we can have ultra Eco silver steam gear strapped to all of these washers, but nobody's managed to figure out how to use the load sensor to detect an empty washer and activate a quiet computer-style vent fan to circulate fresh air in the washer and dry it out completely? It would only take a few watts and would probably work as well as leaving the door on if it was designed right.
laundromat
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pussy talk
My cat,Teddy,a manx with no tail,used to always climb into my dryer and go to sleep. I would have to always check inside to be sure he wasan't there.Never once did he ever wind up becoming "Fluffy"but was not happy to get wet wash thrown on him.He actualy fell in the toilet a few times from getting a drink!!I'd come home from work seeing a cat that looked like a drouned rat!Good thing I always flush!LOL I would like to have another manx. They're so much like dogs. No need for a fire hydrant however.LOL
My cat,Teddy,a manx with no tail,used to always climb into my dryer and go to sleep. I would have to always check inside to be sure he wasan't there.Never once did he ever wind up becoming "Fluffy"but was not happy to get wet wash thrown on him.He actualy fell in the toilet a few times from getting a drink!!I'd come home from work seeing a cat that looked like a drouned rat!Good thing I always flush!LOL I would like to have another manx. They're so much like dogs. No need for a fire hydrant however.LOL
EU FL washers vs. US FL washers
I think a big difference between US and EU FL washers is that US FL washers do not reach high temperatures. In the US made front loaders that I have, the hottest setting is 120 degrees F. And there often is no heater to maintain the wash temp so it cools off quite a bit during the wash cycle. On top of that, they use so little water that one needs to flush the hot water line to make sure it's HOT before starting the washer or it will fill with even cooler water!
I think a big difference between US and EU FL washers is that US FL washers do not reach high temperatures. In the US made front loaders that I have, the hottest setting is 120 degrees F. And there often is no heater to maintain the wash temp so it cools off quite a bit during the wash cycle. On top of that, they use so little water that one needs to flush the hot water line to make sure it's HOT before starting the washer or it will fill with even cooler water!
ronhic
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Pulsator
..that may be so, but the majority of Australian made front load washers didn't have heaters either. I owned one for 13years and it never smelt - ever.
There are 5 things that people should consider doing that will remove the odour issue.
- use powdered rather than liquid detergent in the correct quantity (or reduced - see below)
- reduce fabric conditioner use to half recommended level if you have to use it (why given most Americans tumble dry is beyond me)
- use warm/tap hot water at least once a week
- wipe the bellows out
- leave the door ajar (and the machine unplugged if you have small children)
As a side note
A recent test of powdered detergent here by Choice has revealed that you can reduce the quantity by half (of the best performer) with no drop in performance. Reduced to a 1/4 dose and it performs as well as the next best detergent AND you can use the wash/rinse water on your garden.
So, you still get top performance and can help the environment too....
..that may be so, but the majority of Australian made front load washers didn't have heaters either. I owned one for 13years and it never smelt - ever.
There are 5 things that people should consider doing that will remove the odour issue.
- use powdered rather than liquid detergent in the correct quantity (or reduced - see below)
- reduce fabric conditioner use to half recommended level if you have to use it (why given most Americans tumble dry is beyond me)
- use warm/tap hot water at least once a week
- wipe the bellows out
- leave the door ajar (and the machine unplugged if you have small children)
As a side note
A recent test of powdered detergent here by Choice has revealed that you can reduce the quantity by half (of the best performer) with no drop in performance. Reduced to a 1/4 dose and it performs as well as the next best detergent AND you can use the wash/rinse water on your garden.
So, you still get top performance and can help the environment too....
bingwsguy
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What is wrong with people in this country?
I prepare you in advance...I am going to be in a snit. Even though I am an avid reader of threads on this great site, I haven't posted anything in quite a while. This topic amazes me and sparked me to add my 2 cents. How can the general population in this country still be so ignorant and have a problem with this? My Grandmothers and my Mother taught me to leave the lid (top loader) open for the machine to dry out. Logic says with a front loader to do the same. I have never had a smelly washer issue- and all I do is leave the doors open after using them. One does not need to waste money on "Re-Fresh" washer packets. I suppose this goes along with the "smelly" towel issue....something I also have never experienced. Use hot enough water and that problem won't need to be masked by a de-odorizer....it simply won't exist.
I prepare you in advance...I am going to be in a snit. Even though I am an avid reader of threads on this great site, I haven't posted anything in quite a while. This topic amazes me and sparked me to add my 2 cents. How can the general population in this country still be so ignorant and have a problem with this? My Grandmothers and my Mother taught me to leave the lid (top loader) open for the machine to dry out. Logic says with a front loader to do the same. I have never had a smelly washer issue- and all I do is leave the doors open after using them. One does not need to waste money on "Re-Fresh" washer packets. I suppose this goes along with the "smelly" towel issue....something I also have never experienced. Use hot enough water and that problem won't need to be masked by a de-odorizer....it simply won't exist.
mark_wpduet
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I don't get it either
When I first got my Duet a few years ago, common sense told me to leave the door cracked, so I did. I have NEVER had any smell at all. I don't use fabric softener but white vinegar instead, also powdered he detergent. I do notice on my Duet that, even with the detergent tray pulled out and left out, the holes (inside where the detergent tray inserts, where the water comes out) have a pink look in them. I got bleach and wiped them down, but this happened EVEN with the detergent tray left completely out! There is no smell in my washer though. I think another thing people need to do is take the detergent tray out. It holds water and can't really breathe if pushed in.
I remember we had a brand new whirpool TL washer in 1989 and the thing stunk and I could not figure it out
When I first got my Duet a few years ago, common sense told me to leave the door cracked, so I did. I have NEVER had any smell at all. I don't use fabric softener but white vinegar instead, also powdered he detergent. I do notice on my Duet that, even with the detergent tray pulled out and left out, the holes (inside where the detergent tray inserts, where the water comes out) have a pink look in them. I got bleach and wiped them down, but this happened EVEN with the detergent tray left completely out! There is no smell in my washer though. I think another thing people need to do is take the detergent tray out. It holds water and can't really breathe if pushed in.
I remember we had a brand new whirpool TL washer in 1989 and the thing stunk and I could not figure it out
norfolksouthern
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Never had this problem
Well, for one thing my Zerowatt does heat the water to high temps. Plus, I wipe down the boot after each run, and once in a while I'll open the trap and swab up the water left in the sump and leave it to dry. The big difference between mine and these fancy HE gadgets: It's all in the trap! Which, of course, is easily accessible as opposed to one on a Duet.
The Europeans know their front loaders. They have been at it for a long time. They run their equipment at high temperatures, and also keep it clean inside. Like someone else mentioned, lukewarm water temperatures and liquid detergents with fabric softeners, combined with very little water to rinse, are quite edible to microbes. A gourmet dish for fungus, I might add. When it all festers, you have a real problem. Why they don't make traps user serviceable is beyond me. With enough complaints, we'll all be stuck with Cabrios!
NorfolkSouthern
Well, for one thing my Zerowatt does heat the water to high temps. Plus, I wipe down the boot after each run, and once in a while I'll open the trap and swab up the water left in the sump and leave it to dry. The big difference between mine and these fancy HE gadgets: It's all in the trap! Which, of course, is easily accessible as opposed to one on a Duet.
The Europeans know their front loaders. They have been at it for a long time. They run their equipment at high temperatures, and also keep it clean inside. Like someone else mentioned, lukewarm water temperatures and liquid detergents with fabric softeners, combined with very little water to rinse, are quite edible to microbes. A gourmet dish for fungus, I might add. When it all festers, you have a real problem. Why they don't make traps user serviceable is beyond me. With enough complaints, we'll all be stuck with Cabrios!
NorfolkSouthern
Lazy Laundry and Unreal Energy Demands
Stuffing wads of clothing of mixed color and texture, underwear and dishcloth alike, adding some cheap liquid soap from Costco and a cold wash is wetting dirty clothes, not doing laundry. I would guess at least 80% of people growing up in the 70's and after are under the "conserve and save the environment" mantra and perform critical tasks like laundry and cleaning in unsafe and filthy ways. Now add the latest no water and dumbed down temperatures and it only gets worse. Or wait it does get worse, next year no phospates. I think it's less the machine and more the operator with some oness on ignorant law makers passing incorrect bills.
Stuffing wads of clothing of mixed color and texture, underwear and dishcloth alike, adding some cheap liquid soap from Costco and a cold wash is wetting dirty clothes, not doing laundry. I would guess at least 80% of people growing up in the 70's and after are under the "conserve and save the environment" mantra and perform critical tasks like laundry and cleaning in unsafe and filthy ways. Now add the latest no water and dumbed down temperatures and it only gets worse. Or wait it does get worse, next year no phospates. I think it's less the machine and more the operator with some oness on ignorant law makers passing incorrect bills.
I've had my Frigidaire front loader for 3 years and it pre-owned when I got it. I dodn't have one bit of a smell issue and none is trying to emerge. I use powdered detergent 95% of the time I've had this washer. I do use lots of fabric softner. And I've never put bleach in it. BUT, I leave the door slightly adjar and the additives drawer slightly pulled out. Now, what I'm about to say, I got in trouble on the THS Laundry Forum because I didn't mince words. The parents are the safety issue, NOT the kids. The parents aren't teaching their kids the proper boundaries this is not a thing to be playing with and clmbing in all the time. A little swat on the butt may not be such a bad thing. Kids need to be disciplined and taught what is right & wrong. Once learned, it's not an issue to leave the door slightly ajar and the additives drawer slightly open between uses. And BTW, I may go for 2 or 3 weeks between uses.
surgilator_68
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Common sense and education has a lot to do with it, but there seems to be a sharp decline in those areas recently.
Every single day I see washers that look and smell disgusting. If people would leave the door open, it does not need to be fully open, simply not pushed closed will suffice. Use something other than the trailer setting, use the proper amount of a good HE detergent and bleach the whites once in a while you won't have the smell.
Think about it...you have a big ol outer tub and the inner tub which are both sitting at room temp. Add your clothes and start the washer on Cold and you would be lucky to reach 70 degree water temp. Use warm water and you'll get something in the range of cool water. Use hot water and you'll get something in the range of warm or a cool hot. Your clothes aren't going to shrink, you won't harm the environment with bleach, nor will you ruin your clothes if you use it properly. Most homes today do not have laundry rooms right next to the water heater nor do most of us have the water heater set to 140 or above, which was standard practice back when. So how do you expect to get hot water to a machine that uses so little?
Proper laundering technique has not changed in 100 years.Ask your parents, grandparents, great grandparents. You need thermal energy (hot water), mechanical energy (agitation) and chemical(detergent, bleach, etc). If you use less of one you MUST increase one or both of the other to get satisfactory results. It does not matter if you have a front loader, top loader, wringer or a wash board. You need those three things.
I'm probably going to get hell for the next statement but I really don't care because I see it every day and can back up my statements.
A lot of the issues with smell, mold and mineral build up come from the tree hugging save the earth eco green people out there. I'm sorry but eco detergent manufacturers have not found a way to properly suspend and sequester oils, dirt and minerals with these plant based cleaners. You need sequestrants, anti-redepositing agents, water softeners and surfactants that come from chemicals. You need something to kill mold, mildew and bacteria. Bleach won't harm the earth and neither will regular detergent. It all biodegrades. But some people would rather walk around smelling like a moldy, mildewed rag wondering why they stink and have skin allergies, because they want to save the earth. Fine, but when I hand you my bill, don't bitch.
Now I will admit that out of the thousands of customers I see every year there is ONE and only ONE who has always used cold water in her front loader and there is no smell, mold, mildew or mineral build up. However she always uses Tide HE liquid and bleaches her whites. She also leaves the door open. Are the clothes clean...I don't know. But the machine is.
We also have to remember(and I find this difficult at times talking to a customer) that WE are the ones who eat, breathe, sleep and poop appliances. So we are the ones who are going to pay more attention to leaving the door open, water temps and proper detergent usage. The average consumer does not know, nor do they care. All it is to them is a metal box that is supposed to get dirty things clean and wet things dry. You don't have to worry about sorting, temps, detergent etc. Stuff it in, push a button, turn a knob, dump some of this stuff in and walk away. That is the average consumer these days.
Ok, I have to put a stop my ranting. I could go on for hours.
Jason
Every single day I see washers that look and smell disgusting. If people would leave the door open, it does not need to be fully open, simply not pushed closed will suffice. Use something other than the trailer setting, use the proper amount of a good HE detergent and bleach the whites once in a while you won't have the smell.
Think about it...you have a big ol outer tub and the inner tub which are both sitting at room temp. Add your clothes and start the washer on Cold and you would be lucky to reach 70 degree water temp. Use warm water and you'll get something in the range of cool water. Use hot water and you'll get something in the range of warm or a cool hot. Your clothes aren't going to shrink, you won't harm the environment with bleach, nor will you ruin your clothes if you use it properly. Most homes today do not have laundry rooms right next to the water heater nor do most of us have the water heater set to 140 or above, which was standard practice back when. So how do you expect to get hot water to a machine that uses so little?
Proper laundering technique has not changed in 100 years.Ask your parents, grandparents, great grandparents. You need thermal energy (hot water), mechanical energy (agitation) and chemical(detergent, bleach, etc). If you use less of one you MUST increase one or both of the other to get satisfactory results. It does not matter if you have a front loader, top loader, wringer or a wash board. You need those three things.
I'm probably going to get hell for the next statement but I really don't care because I see it every day and can back up my statements.
A lot of the issues with smell, mold and mineral build up come from the tree hugging save the earth eco green people out there. I'm sorry but eco detergent manufacturers have not found a way to properly suspend and sequester oils, dirt and minerals with these plant based cleaners. You need sequestrants, anti-redepositing agents, water softeners and surfactants that come from chemicals. You need something to kill mold, mildew and bacteria. Bleach won't harm the earth and neither will regular detergent. It all biodegrades. But some people would rather walk around smelling like a moldy, mildewed rag wondering why they stink and have skin allergies, because they want to save the earth. Fine, but when I hand you my bill, don't bitch.
Now I will admit that out of the thousands of customers I see every year there is ONE and only ONE who has always used cold water in her front loader and there is no smell, mold, mildew or mineral build up. However she always uses Tide HE liquid and bleaches her whites. She also leaves the door open. Are the clothes clean...I don't know. But the machine is.
We also have to remember(and I find this difficult at times talking to a customer) that WE are the ones who eat, breathe, sleep and poop appliances. So we are the ones who are going to pay more attention to leaving the door open, water temps and proper detergent usage. The average consumer does not know, nor do they care. All it is to them is a metal box that is supposed to get dirty things clean and wet things dry. You don't have to worry about sorting, temps, detergent etc. Stuff it in, push a button, turn a knob, dump some of this stuff in and walk away. That is the average consumer these days.
Ok, I have to put a stop my ranting. I could go on for hours.
Jason
ronhic
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Jason....
...that is true...
BUT...
....it is the people who service appliances, shop assistants and manufacturer help desks who have to listen to these great twits when the 'magic box in the laundry' doesn't do what it is meant to....and all because they don't read their manuals (most of the time)
...that is true...
BUT...
....it is the people who service appliances, shop assistants and manufacturer help desks who have to listen to these great twits when the 'magic box in the laundry' doesn't do what it is meant to....and all because they don't read their manuals (most of the time)
robliverpool
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Being in the uk the norm has usually been frontloaders for me and i have never had a problem at all with any smells, i usually do a few 60 degree washes a week and i have never used liquid and i use bio powder. Now my gran had the same machine as me (until i got my AEG) and the door seal was mouldy, it smelt awful. Found out she was using non bio powder and the highest wash she ever done in the machine was a 40 degree as she thinks a higher temperature will run away with the electric bills lol. Very old school, also the drain pipe for her machine connected to the sink drain and it was drawing water and bits of food into the machine whenever they pulled the plug in the sink..
surgilator-68
why the hostility toward people who give a damn about the environment?
I'm a tree hugging save the earth greenie person.
I wash in hot water (solar), though the heating element in my LG front loader is disconnected as it uses too much electricity, and it isn't needed as long as I set the machine for a hot fill (set to 60 degrees C wash.) I use a top quality detergent which is also an "environmental" detergent, mainly because it doesn't eat my skin, as I have VERY sensitive skin and I have found almost every detergent I have tried was either useless as a cleaner, or gave me an itchy rash and peeling skin. It works very well on my greasy work clothes. It is Ecostore front loader powder from New Zealand.
My front loader has no mouldy smell, and no residue buildup.
I have also seen dozens of washing machines with severe problems of buildup and corrosion, invariably they are set to cold water wash. Almost all clothes washing in Australia is done in cold water, and I reckon that is one of the major killers of washing machines here. Front loaders in particular seem to have problems with drum spiders corroding and breaking.
Fabric softener is a major cause of the buildup, too. I don't use it at all.
http://www.ecostore.co.nz/products/laundry/front-loader-laundry-powder.cfm
why the hostility toward people who give a damn about the environment?
I'm a tree hugging save the earth greenie person.
I wash in hot water (solar), though the heating element in my LG front loader is disconnected as it uses too much electricity, and it isn't needed as long as I set the machine for a hot fill (set to 60 degrees C wash.) I use a top quality detergent which is also an "environmental" detergent, mainly because it doesn't eat my skin, as I have VERY sensitive skin and I have found almost every detergent I have tried was either useless as a cleaner, or gave me an itchy rash and peeling skin. It works very well on my greasy work clothes. It is Ecostore front loader powder from New Zealand.
My front loader has no mouldy smell, and no residue buildup.
I have also seen dozens of washing machines with severe problems of buildup and corrosion, invariably they are set to cold water wash. Almost all clothes washing in Australia is done in cold water, and I reckon that is one of the major killers of washing machines here. Front loaders in particular seem to have problems with drum spiders corroding and breaking.
Fabric softener is a major cause of the buildup, too. I don't use it at all.
http://www.ecostore.co.nz/products/laundry/front-loader-laundry-powder.cfm
paulc
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Ive never had a "stinky" machine and wash at low temps pretty much all the time. I am I right in thinking that powders in the USA do not contain oxygen based bleaching agents unless stated ie "Tide with Bleach". UK powders unless stated as the colour variety, contain these agents.
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