What has this come to?
What has this come to? The only difference between the Whirlpool and Maytag washer is the nameplate!
What has this come to? The only difference between the Whirlpool and Maytag washer is the nameplate!
New Tariffs On Washing Machines
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What has this come to?
What has this come to? The only difference between the Whirlpool and Maytag washer is the nameplate!What has this come to? The only difference between Whirlpool and Maytag is the name! That's it!
What has this come to? The only difference between the Whirlpool and Maytag washer is the nameplate!What has this come to? The only difference between Whirlpool and Maytag is the name! That's it!
Miele T1515 dryer ducting and other questions
I have now purchased my second, second hand T1515 dryer for my basement setup. I have to get the electrician over to add 2 more 240v outlets. I understand that the voltage splitters are no longer available from Miele.
I need to duct this second set. I have heard that you shouldn't duct 2 ducts to 1 main duct. IIRC the adjusted length for ducting a miele is 33ft. Because of overhead obstructions I have to add a couple of extra elbows to one of the dryers.
I have been thinking of an inline duct fan and have looked at Fantech only so far. I have an adjusted length of around 45'on the left dryer. This includes 4 elbows (5'each) and one outdoor vent (10'?). I know nothing about dryer fans. I need help.
Questions:
1) can I add a fan that is easy to maintain and work as it should?
2) can I connect 2 dryers to one vent if I use a dryer fan (I've been told Its not a good idea)?
3) If anyone sees any other errors in my setup, I'm all ears.
4) Are voltage splitters a good idea?
5) If a fan is an option, what are good brands?
I have now purchased my second, second hand T1515 dryer for my basement setup. I have to get the electrician over to add 2 more 240v outlets. I understand that the voltage splitters are no longer available from Miele.
I need to duct this second set. I have heard that you shouldn't duct 2 ducts to 1 main duct. IIRC the adjusted length for ducting a miele is 33ft. Because of overhead obstructions I have to add a couple of extra elbows to one of the dryers.
I have been thinking of an inline duct fan and have looked at Fantech only so far. I have an adjusted length of around 45'on the left dryer. This includes 4 elbows (5'each) and one outdoor vent (10'?). I know nothing about dryer fans. I need help.
Questions:
1) can I add a fan that is easy to maintain and work as it should?
2) can I connect 2 dryers to one vent if I use a dryer fan (I've been told Its not a good idea)?
3) If anyone sees any other errors in my setup, I'm all ears.
4) Are voltage splitters a good idea?
5) If a fan is an option, what are good brands?
How did I get this post on this thread!? I had intended to start my own thread. Sorry.
wft2800
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Nice Novotronics, Enduring - and how apt, given we've been talking extensively about quality vs cheapness. Those machines must be at least 15 years old, possibly 20 or more... alas, even Miele is not what it once was.
BTW, how is it legal to exclude trade unions from factories? Despite Maggie Thatcher's crackdowns (and those of the more recent Cameron/May Tory regime), I believe that it is still a fundamental right for workers to be members of a trade union. In Germany, the unions are more powerful still, yet do you hear of tremendous industrial unrest there?!
BTW, how is it legal to exclude trade unions from factories? Despite Maggie Thatcher's crackdowns (and those of the more recent Cameron/May Tory regime), I believe that it is still a fundamental right for workers to be members of a trade union. In Germany, the unions are more powerful still, yet do you hear of tremendous industrial unrest there?!
I don't see why Whirlpool would want this to be done. Maybe those of you who implied this could explain a little more, although I haven't taken the time yet to fully read this thread. In my area at least, Whirlpool products are considerably cheaper than other manufacturers. Hasn't anyone noticed how Whirlpools are most incentivized at big box stores?
Whirlpool makes an entire suite of household appliances, not just washing machines. This tariff is only on washing machines. Which US company focuses on laundry products and just came out with a new design hoping to capture more market share? I can think of one.
Whirlpool makes an entire suite of household appliances, not just washing machines. This tariff is only on washing machines. Which US company focuses on laundry products and just came out with a new design hoping to capture more market share? I can think of one.
I'm all for keeping American jobs here but the toothpaste is already out of the tube. Tariffs can harm the economy and stifle the market.
The best thing to do is to incentivise companies with tax breaks if they show tangible proof that they added American jobs (with no trickery or creative accounting). It should incentivise domestic and foreign companies.
So, if LG or Samsung brings production over to the US (or increases the number of people needed to run their plants) then they should get a tax break. The US headquartered companies (Whirlpool, Alliance Laundry, is that it?) would get a tax break for maintaining US production and would see decreases in tax liability for adding jobs.
It's just more fair that way. Speaking of tax breaks, I'd love to see a massive tax break package for everyone (working class, middle class and the wealthy -- all at the same time) and every company regardless of size and the IRS at the top of the scrap pile, but I disgress.
The best thing to do is to incentivise companies with tax breaks if they show tangible proof that they added American jobs (with no trickery or creative accounting). It should incentivise domestic and foreign companies.
So, if LG or Samsung brings production over to the US (or increases the number of people needed to run their plants) then they should get a tax break. The US headquartered companies (Whirlpool, Alliance Laundry, is that it?) would get a tax break for maintaining US production and would see decreases in tax liability for adding jobs.
It's just more fair that way. Speaking of tax breaks, I'd love to see a massive tax break package for everyone (working class, middle class and the wealthy -- all at the same time) and every company regardless of size and the IRS at the top of the scrap pile, but I disgress.
@wishwash: I think Whirlpool would be content with this because washing machines don't last as long as a range or refrigerator. Most washers these days are lucky to see 10 years, in some cases it is less than five, so they'll snag more sales when people flock to the store (or online) to replace their failed washer, since washers historically need to be replaced more often than a range or refrigerator. The economy is doing better overall so then you factor in the people who have some free cash to upgrade a washer that works but is desired for replacement.
People in the market for a washer will see a similar washer (in features and capacity) produced by LG, Samsung, and whatever Electrolux and GE builds overseas and then the ones produced by Whirlpool/Maytag (and the WP-built Kenmores) and notice the price discrepancy between the Whirlpool brands versus the foreign-produced ones. A lot of people buy on price (or at least it is a huge factor in the purchase) so naturally, Whirlpool would gain more sales, at least what is likely to play out in this scenario.
People in the market for a washer will see a similar washer (in features and capacity) produced by LG, Samsung, and whatever Electrolux and GE builds overseas and then the ones produced by Whirlpool/Maytag (and the WP-built Kenmores) and notice the price discrepancy between the Whirlpool brands versus the foreign-produced ones. A lot of people buy on price (or at least it is a huge factor in the purchase) so naturally, Whirlpool would gain more sales, at least what is likely to play out in this scenario.
jerrod6
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I read an article someplace(maybe Reuters)that said Samsung was likely to absorb some of the tariff so the price increase would be slight maybe $10 to $15 dollars. Anyway many people buy for features so if the features they want are on a machine they will buy that, and a few extra dollars will not dissuade them.
This news is now widely known so people know what is going on.
This news is now widely known so people know what is going on.
I used to work for Goldstar (LG now) in Alabama....believe me, they are very ANTI union!
vacerator
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Greg,
aren't most these days?
Lucky Goldstar, made popular here by K Mart, and even the Price is Right.
Notnin' lasts forever. Excessive Greed doesn't either. People work so they can afford to live, not to be endentured servants.
I do believe the Korean labor force in Korea is mainly unionized. Autoworkers were on a short strike there last year either at GM Daewoo or Hyundai. Maybe they are here for cheaper labor?
Lech Walecza was the Polish Solidarity union leader who championed for liberation form Soviet rule. He was an electrician and union rep. at the Danzik (Gdansk) ship yard. He then became Poland's first post communist president.
The will of the people is union, and any government, or company that steals the hearts of people always fails. I think many have learned that lesson, so if they compensate workers fairly so they prosper, they have no need to organize an outside bargaining unit.
Now that all also depends on other aspects, such as the buying power of currency, inflation, unemployment, cost of living, ability to invest and save, and education.
For example, in university cities like Ann Arbor, or Morgantown W.V., the mean average income is higher than in the outlying areas, and thus so are real estate values.
It's complicated. Who knew? I'm sure you do being a nurse for a university health system. Probably better than many politicians.
aren't most these days?
Lucky Goldstar, made popular here by K Mart, and even the Price is Right.
Notnin' lasts forever. Excessive Greed doesn't either. People work so they can afford to live, not to be endentured servants.
I do believe the Korean labor force in Korea is mainly unionized. Autoworkers were on a short strike there last year either at GM Daewoo or Hyundai. Maybe they are here for cheaper labor?
Lech Walecza was the Polish Solidarity union leader who championed for liberation form Soviet rule. He was an electrician and union rep. at the Danzik (Gdansk) ship yard. He then became Poland's first post communist president.
The will of the people is union, and any government, or company that steals the hearts of people always fails. I think many have learned that lesson, so if they compensate workers fairly so they prosper, they have no need to organize an outside bargaining unit.
Now that all also depends on other aspects, such as the buying power of currency, inflation, unemployment, cost of living, ability to invest and save, and education.
For example, in university cities like Ann Arbor, or Morgantown W.V., the mean average income is higher than in the outlying areas, and thus so are real estate values.
It's complicated. Who knew? I'm sure you do being a nurse for a university health system. Probably better than many politicians.
vacerator
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but but but,
that's not supposed to be the fake news channel, is it?
that's not supposed to be the fake news channel, is it?
vacerator
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Some is for sure,
not all news. Some is speculation.
Depends who it's about, and who likes or doesn't like them I guess.
Even when there were small town news papers, there were always gossip columns, and cartoons about digniatries in office or running. It's called the free press.
Wisdom is knowing when to ignore speculative news, and not call it fake because we don't agree or it doesn't agree with us.
At the end of the day, or end of the hearing or trial, the only news that matters is the findings of evidence and jury verdicts, black or red ink on the books, and the number count of actual subjects.
Also if the story is a beaten dead horse, is it new(s), or old?
Objective reporting is more difficult today. If someone pays to put out a story that isn't objective, it can lead gullible people to believe it, like the pied piper. So I like to be objective, and even listen to the opposition. The I can often read between the lines and find some truth. Know the enemy or the negative, then see through the bias.
not all news. Some is speculation.
Depends who it's about, and who likes or doesn't like them I guess.
Even when there were small town news papers, there were always gossip columns, and cartoons about digniatries in office or running. It's called the free press.
Wisdom is knowing when to ignore speculative news, and not call it fake because we don't agree or it doesn't agree with us.
At the end of the day, or end of the hearing or trial, the only news that matters is the findings of evidence and jury verdicts, black or red ink on the books, and the number count of actual subjects.
Also if the story is a beaten dead horse, is it new(s), or old?
Objective reporting is more difficult today. If someone pays to put out a story that isn't objective, it can lead gullible people to believe it, like the pied piper. So I like to be objective, and even listen to the opposition. The I can often read between the lines and find some truth. Know the enemy or the negative, then see through the bias.
earthling177
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Here are a few key phrases for y'all to think about -- they are slightly different because they convey slightly different things.
There are more in the article the link takes you to.
But the thing they all have in common, in my opinion, its that what #45 (and a lot of his friends) really want is Pubic Relations/Advertising, *not* journalism/news.
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.”
“News is something somebody doesn’t want printed; all else is advertising.”
1) News is what somebody does not want you to print. All the rest is advertising.
2) News is something which somebody wants suppressed: all the rest is advertising
3) News is anything anybody wants to suppress; everything else is public relations.
4) Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.
“Whatever a patron desires to get published is advertising; whatever he wants to keep out of the paper is news,” is the sentiment expressed in a little framed placard on the desk of L. E. Edwardson, day city editor of the Chicago Herald and Examiner.
http://https//quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/
There are more in the article the link takes you to.
But the thing they all have in common, in my opinion, its that what #45 (and a lot of his friends) really want is Pubic Relations/Advertising, *not* journalism/news.
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.”
“News is something somebody doesn’t want printed; all else is advertising.”
1) News is what somebody does not want you to print. All the rest is advertising.
2) News is something which somebody wants suppressed: all the rest is advertising
3) News is anything anybody wants to suppress; everything else is public relations.
4) Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed; everything else is public relations.
“Whatever a patron desires to get published is advertising; whatever he wants to keep out of the paper is news,” is the sentiment expressed in a little framed placard on the desk of L. E. Edwardson, day city editor of the Chicago Herald and Examiner.
http://https//quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/
I wonder if President Trump is going to say anything about the new tariffs in his speech State of the Union address. Anyone planning on watching it?
vacerator
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Maybe until it gets
too conceited. Stormy Daniels is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.
too conceited. Stormy Daniels is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.
@superocd, I'm not saying that Whirlpool would have an issue with these tariffs. It will surely help their bottom line. My comment was directed toward those implying that Whirlpool put pressure on our government to put these tariffs in place. It doesn't seem to be that way since Whirlpool is consistently less expensive than the competition, so they are clearly able to make good money and compete without tariffs on imported machines.
clarification
Faux News=Fox News.
I have some holy roller acquaintances that proclaim Fox News is the one, the only, reliable news source and any other snippet of news from any other source is to be discounted, not trusted nor believed.
Faux News=Fox News.
I have some holy roller acquaintances that proclaim Fox News is the one, the only, reliable news source and any other snippet of news from any other source is to be discounted, not trusted nor believed.
vacerator
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Of course they do Ben,
and that's being as biased as any of the other news sources. They don't get that equality doesn't mean identical sameness to them, their belief, values, or much else.
We are all free, which means more choices. Choices are freedom,and not forced on anyone. Their freedom of choice is as protected by the bill of rights and constitution as anyone else's is. It has never been joepardized.
Nobody is perfect, so learn to live and work together.
I've read some books; I'm Ok, you're Ok, everybody else is sick, written in the late 1960's, The Late Great planet Earth, that was an eye and a mind opener.
Talking straight by Lee Iacoca, who I idealized in my own career ethics.
He is in his 90's now, but was a conservative. If someone is smart, they are smart, regardless of their politics, but if dumb, the same goes. Two way street.
So I read between the lines, and divide what people say by their phone number, as an old friend of mine used to tell me. Now he was a real welder, and a darn good one, and I'm not just saying so because he was in my audience. I actually saw his work, and learned a bit of it myself.
and that's being as biased as any of the other news sources. They don't get that equality doesn't mean identical sameness to them, their belief, values, or much else.
We are all free, which means more choices. Choices are freedom,and not forced on anyone. Their freedom of choice is as protected by the bill of rights and constitution as anyone else's is. It has never been joepardized.
Nobody is perfect, so learn to live and work together.
I've read some books; I'm Ok, you're Ok, everybody else is sick, written in the late 1960's, The Late Great planet Earth, that was an eye and a mind opener.
Talking straight by Lee Iacoca, who I idealized in my own career ethics.
He is in his 90's now, but was a conservative. If someone is smart, they are smart, regardless of their politics, but if dumb, the same goes. Two way street.
So I read between the lines, and divide what people say by their phone number, as an old friend of mine used to tell me. Now he was a real welder, and a darn good one, and I'm not just saying so because he was in my audience. I actually saw his work, and learned a bit of it myself.
vacerator
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LG also
announced their new Clarksville Tn. plant before this tariff was announced.
announced their new Clarksville Tn. plant before this tariff was announced.
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