New Tide Ultra "concentrated" powder any comments?

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Hi, i've heard many complaints about the new Tide, of course i don't know why they decided to change it, but is it really that bad? I'm going to buy some as i found a good offer, but after reading such complaints on the Tide website i'm doubtful about....
I only say my personal opinion about these changes with this old saying:"If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it".........
 
I spoke to P&G about these the other day.....

But before I get to what they told me, it kinda WAS broke....with increases in cost on everything from packaging to plastics for the scoops and fuel to transport the boxes of detergent, it was time to shrink the product to make it more space and transportation efficient, and more cost effective to make.

Ultra concentrated detergents have been around for years, in both liquid and powder. There really wasn't a good reason to keep the old stuff around, as-was. P&G had a successful campaign in concentrating liquids in 2008.

The rep. for P&G told me on the phone that nothing is different about the formulas, just less filler. I asked specifically about Tide w/Bleach and got the "nothing has been changed" status for everything. I believe that the detergents have gone to a lower sudsing formula, but the cleaning agents are all supposedly the same, and in the same proportion. I prefer lower sudsing any day, so seems a win-win to me.

I'll have to check out the reviews though and see what they say.

Gordon
 
We bought a box of the new Tide concentrated powder in the Clean Breeze scent. When the clothing is dried it smells like they have been in a HE chemical waste dump. Sure the clothing came out perfectly clean, but that chemical smell, yuk. Cheer HE liquid leaves the same smell on clothes only far less powerful.

Our dogs don't even like their beds that have been washed in it.

We will not be buying another box of it.
 
Original Scent

Has no discernable scent.  No discernable suds or evidence in the wash water.  Clothes are emerging from the dryer clean and without a scent.  I use Sauvetel softener which should layer another scent but it doesn't linger either.
 
Thanks to all for posting! Just wondering...A soap content

So, seems that it has not that big changes about the cleaning power here, but just on the scent....for now. I've read that other ppl finded out the scent changes after drying, their chlothes do not smell "Tide Clean" anymore...just synthetic parfume or chemical stuff.... Kelly (mixfinder) says it does not leaves any scent .. maybe it depends from her last standards of soiling and amount she use....or her dryer....i'm just supposing....
But Kelly finded out a good matter, the suds, the "Old tide" used to do a nice suds, i've recently heard of ppl who say that the new Ultra seem to have a lower sudsing power compared to old powder, maybe now they put less soap in it? i think that a right amount of soap in detergents is the key for a good wash, so could be that now it has more enzymes and soda/borax-like stuff and less soap in it..... it could be also why some ppl do not find it works like before, we all know soap power is restrained in hard waters ....maybe this ppl have hard waters?
Or could simply be that they now fill it with more anti-foam/suds agents, and that ppl just retribuite their last bad wash results to this change.....
Anyway, this matter is gonna be more interesting than i thought, and i honestly think the best way to know it's trying it anyway, please keep posting your experiences/opinions, and thanks to all who did!
 
Tide powder

After reading this, I looked at my local super market and noticed that the older boxes where at the bottom of the stack ( older boxes being at bit larger in size, and did not say "ultra" ) maybe I should grab a old box!! I have a 6 0z box of tide regular scent dated 2008, used some the other day, it worked up some suds in the old maytag ( that dose not bother me) and cleaned very well? Why cant they leave thing alone!
 
You could grab some old boxes and I'm sure they'd be fine.

 

However, as a bit of a hoarder of vanished products, I wouldn't bother, personally. I've had such good results with the new powder there's no reason to go back. There is a light scent with the so-called "original scent" but it is very pleasant and not the cloying, overpowering odor so common these days. The suds of the old product were not a problem for me, per se, but they didn't add anything to cleaning power, either.
 
Suds are an interesting concept for consumers

A couple weeks after the concentrated Tide powders became available, one consumer, right here in Charlotte actually, entered a review on Tide's website saying the new stuff was awful, and that it took more than 2 times the recommended dose to make any suds. She had directly correlated the amount of suds with the ability to clean her clothes.

I was shaking my head in disbelief, as from a young age my mother used low sudsing detergents due to our water softener. Add to that I spent a significant amount of time growing up in Denver, where water was/is on most everyone's minds and running double rinses to get rid of suds is purely wasteful. I have never equated suds with cleaning, but apparently I am in a minority because one of the Tide staffers replied to the lady stating that it is common for consumers to connect suds with cleaning, and then corrected/explained the situation to her. For me, the fewer suds the better.

Gordon
 
If anyone wants the older non-concentrated Tide...

Check Walgreen's if you have them in your area. In the Charlotte area, I have not seen 2x Tide powders on their shelves yet, but about once every six weeks or so they put all Tide products on sale at $5.99 for 26-40 load packages, which is CHEAP! I bought 5 boxes of the old non concentrate Tide W/Bleach.

Gordon
 
Suds and cleaning power...

Yes, it's common to people think that more suds equals more cleaning....and of course it is not true, but is true that suds means soap, and soap as i said i think is the key for a good wash, this is my only thought..... of course too many suds slow down washing action, especially when you wash small loads on low water levels, there's an old commercial for ALL detergent on youtube wich avertise the new ALL controlled suds and explain this..maybe someone of you remeber this, the song :" Automatic Automatic.... wash this wash that" rithmic with the agitator strokes, so beautiful! ...
Since then the detergents became almost all low suds, another famous was the Dash.....
But of course detergent continued and still continue making some suds, but not too much, a right amount.... I mean Regular detergents and not HE(wich are made on purpose to do not make suds,they're filled with anti suds agents), but i've heard that this new ultra does not make any suds leaving water clear, or anyway making less suds than the old one used to do, so it means that ingredients are not the same or in the same proportion, or they now fill in it more anti-suds agents, or they save on soap.... this is the question now...i'm only guessing based on what i read and hear.....
Attached there is the link of the video, it's very nice to see!

 
Pure Soap

When used for laundry/cleaning performs two purposes: it softens water (by binding to hard water minerals), and cleans by dissoloving soils and oils, then keeping them along with dust and so froth in suspension to be rinsed away. One could tell when the water was properly softened by the layer of suds. If there weren't any that meant much if not all the soap was tied up softening water and keeping the gunk away from one's laundry; so you had to add more to get things back into balance.

For ages housewives, laundry workers and anyone else doing the wash with pure soap was advised to add enough product to create a creamy layer of suds a certain amount of inches high. Depth of the suds level depending upon the manner of washing (hand or machine), and what one was washing (it was known quite early in commercial laundry circles that high levels of froth help cushion items in the wash cycle, thus making for more gentle action. High water levels in the rinse cycle would do the same thing there, but wer'e not on that right now.

Laundry manuals long advised housewives and commerical laundries using pure soap that it was a "waste" to use soap as both a water softener and cleaner. Instead one was to purchase various chemical water softening agents (soda ash, washing soda, borax, phosphates, etc) and or the use of mechanical water softening systems. When using soft water one needed less soap, thus had to also replinish the same during the cycle.

When P&G first introduced Tide detergent, housewives (and others one presumes) wouldn't touch the stuff because it did not create froth. Generations of women had been taught (because of using soap for laundrry), that lots of froth meant their wash was getting clean (see above). P&G went back to the drawing board and added surfactants and or other chemicals to create high levels of froth, and that was that; sales of Tide went through the roof and ever since detergents replaced soaps for laundry day.

In the United States the main type of washing machine was the top loading style which aren't too bothered by high levels of froth. Even suds 1/3 to 1/4 up the porthole window of front loaders (remember all those lines indicating maximum suds levels on domestic and commercial front loading washing machines?), so high sudsing detergents not always were a deal breaker there.

OTHO in Europe because of earlier concerns about waves of floating froth on waterways each wash day, and as front loaders became the dominant type of washing machine, Henkel and others detergent makers began to develop not only low sudsing detergents, but surfactants that were biodegradable as well. While on this side of the pond the later occured, but not for the most part the former.

The market for detergents aside from developing countries (who just are beginning to aquire the household wealth that allows women to stop doing wash by hand, and get a washer instead), is mature and declining. Several large companies have sold off their detergent brands, and really only a handful make most all the product sold all over the world.

P&G long has known how to make "low sudsing" detergent via their products sold in the UK and EU. They dipped their toes into the water with the first "HE" versions of Tide and other detergents (a disaster as it still make lots of froth and didn't rinse cleanly if you weren't careful in dosing), while still keeping production of the high sudsing versions as well. All they really did for the former was add some anti-foaming agents anyway.

However with margins the way they are, P&G along with most every other detergent maker can no longer justify producing two different types (high and low sudsing), so now like Europe and the UK you are probably going to see only one type of product. You don't see "HE" labels on detergents across the pond because by and large all are designed to work in front loaders. You may still come across detergents labled to work for "hand washing" or some such, but with twin tub production long over, and the very limited number of top loading washers there just isn't a huge market for high sudsing detergents.
 
No scent from new original scent Tide?  For me it has a great, old fashioned smell to it and caused me to buy a box of Tide for the first time since 1991!  I love the smell (original scent only).  I wonder if water causes a difference in the amount of scent around the country?  I use it for my sheets now since it has such a great scent.  
 
I agree with Dan......

that the scent of the current version of Tide is very much like the "original" Tide I grew up with. Not quite the same, but close enough...(and it doesn't make a lot of suds in my Speed Queen, like the last version did)
 
My local grocery had two scents of concentrated Tide on clos

So I bought a box of 'Mountain Spring' scent, it was $4.24 for a 40 load package.

Tried it on two loads so far of bathroom throw rugs. These usually whip up quite a foam of suds, which annoys me because it's hard to rinse. In the case of the new concentrated Tide, it's GREAT! Just enough suds to make me happy, cleaned well, and no suds in the rinse at all.

Will do some regular laundry with it later as well and have a further report.

I took some video of the rugs being washed, so I'll post that to YouTube later as well.

Gordon
 
Here's a video...

The rugs still loose a lot of color, even after about 12 years. These things have outlasted anything I've ever had, usually the rubber backing dries out, but these are still perfect.

I don't care for the scent of this detergent, it doesn't smell much like the liquid Mountain Spring, which I love. But, it did a great job on the rugs, and on three loads of clothes and sheets. I used three machines with three very different agitators, and all loads came out nicely.

Gordon



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Blazing

I continue to have very good results with the whitest whites, construction soil, grass stains and food spots coming out of clothing with a breeze.  I see no reason to switch.
 

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