Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama for Diplomacy!

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Quote For Truth.

We've seen this movie before, over and over again in countries around the world. Any nation, including the United States cannot survive deliberate polarization forever. Sooner or later it escalates to violence, and in the worst case civil war.

When I think of all the times I've heard the phrase "culture war", I realize only one "side" of this supposed "war" ever uses that term. These people, quite literally brainwashed and pathetically uninformed, perceive themselves as living in an ever-shrinking box that's quickly closing in on them from all sides. I hope the last two elections are an indication that the American people have begun to realize how extremely dangerous this situation is. Just in the last few years, what used to be called neoconservatism has decayed into something far more sinister and traitorous, and personally I'll be shocked if president Obama is still alive in 2012.
 
I pray for him

every night.
As I did for Bush#43.
I think that is the difference, Jeff, between us and the other side of the culture war.

We want America to succeed. They are happy to see her fail if they can't be in charge.

But I don't ever permit myself to even put words to that fear.
 
I think...

...that there are people on BOTH sides that want the nation to succeed even if they can't be in charge, and people on BOTH sides that want to see it fail if they can't be in charge.

We may differ - and politically I am neither R or D believing both to be the same sides of the evil coin - but ultimately we all want to see a decent country.

But yes, the idea of the US failing is too horrible to consider. Unfortunately considering the financial hole the nation is in right now, this is a strong likelyhood.
 
Hunter,

In general I do agree with you. Being a pragmatist, (and having lived in Europe for decades, where we do have more than two parties) I just don't see any way the US will move from the current two-party system anytime soon.

And right at the moment, to my genuine disgust (I meant it about Nixon, Goldwater and Eisenhower) the Republicans are not acting in the best interests of this country.

It may be two sides of an evil coin to you, and I would have trouble disagreeing with you there - but we must never forget, the enemy of the good is the perfect. I've spent time in Africa, I've traveled extensively through the horrors and terrors of the communist world in Eastern Europe.

I've also seen northern England after Mad Maggie and her "there is no such thing as society" project was done with it.

Libertarians and agrarians have some cool ideas. And as soon as we return to the era of Voltaire, we might just want to implement them. Until then, as a pragmatist, I work with what I have.

I meant it, I did pray every night for Bush #43. The thought of Darth Cheney taking official control, horrors. That would have been the end of this Constitutional Republic.
 
You're absolutely right.

My version of an ideal world - my "libertarian paradise" is no more likely than a communist workers utopia - mostly because it means and requires that citizens be that - citizens, and have ethics and the idea of personal responsibility for the welfare of the state.

No, Republicans aren't. And I don't think Democrats are either. Both parties are trying to get their licks in, and the devil take the country.

Good point about Africa and Eastern Europe. Very good point.

Mrs. Thatcher had good ideas, but her implementation was bad. She devastated not only the North of England, but also Wales, I think. I'm not sure even the Southeast was unscathed.

Like Ronald Regan, her ideas were better outward facing in foreign policy.

Perhaps the key to our issues is above - until individuals start realizing that they are citizens, not subjects, and personally responsible for the security and welfare of the nation, and have the responsibility to be part of it, it won't happen.
 
Teddy Roosevelt got the Peace Prize when he was still in office, and he was not exactly the most peaceful of men. I think he got it for brokering a peace treaty between two other powers (Russia and Japan?).

I love the way Obama's prize has made some conservatives go ballistic. They can't seem to decide between blasting Obama for "not deserving it" and belittling the Peace Prize as meaningless anyway. They want to trash the Peace Prize and have it, too.

Personally I'm delighted he received it, and hope it helps him achieve some of the things on his agenda.

As far as the decision goes, it's the opinion of a select group of Norwegians. And Norway, by the way, has the highest per capita income at the moment, I believe. Might be the North Sea oil, but it does help give them a certain detached perspective.

Rather than obsess about Obama's award, perhaps we could all do better thinking about what we as individuals could do to make the world a better place to live.
 
Rather than obsess about Obama's award....

Here, here Sudsmaster.

Personally, I think the award is more than a little embarrassing for the President. His administration is too new to have any significant positive accomplishments, and time will tell if it will have them or not.

But ultimately what you say is right: Stop worrying about others and get on with it! If we all picked up one piece of litter there wouldn't be any.

If we all stop an unconstitutional thing from happening, we wouldn't have any.

If we all gave each other chocolate bars we'd all be very, very fat but very happy (LOL. For the record, I loathe chocolate but you know what I mean)
 
Well, then, you just give us chocolate and we will

honor your disliking them by...
giving you nothing in return.

Sounds perfectly equitable to me!

How does it go again? Oh, right:

Progressive Left: From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.
Conservative Right: To those that have, shall be given.

Somethings don't permit a compromise...sadly.

I thought this article might interest those of us, on all sides of this mess, who are beginning to feel like the nastiness is not getting us anywhere. Yes, I know it does come down harder on the conservatives, I freely admit. Hard to avoid that, given the current level of invective...

 
LOL!

Yes indeed. I do understand what you mean.

Oh but since I have an allergy to chocolate, can I get a 2m euro bailout? <GRIN> After all I might get traumatized if you give me nothing and need psychiatry for 25 years.

(Note: I am not dissing psychiatry for psychology. For many people it has literally meant the difference between life and death).
 
Sure,

But since Colorado will probably 'opt-out', you'll need to prove that you are indigent, have no source of income and - should you be living in Larimer or Weld county, there is no single, solitary doctor who will treat you as a Medicaid patient.

And Pueblo won't take you without a direct court order forcing them to...'cause there ain't no room in the nut-house, 'cause the prison-for-profits shove all their unbreakable prisoners onto that system.

You know, those 2,000,000€ are something like $3,500,000 now...and the Euro was meant to trade at 2€=1$.

I am seriously considering buying some dried out, windswept McMansionette on six acres up Tornado Alley by Carr and setting up a Dude Ranch(ette) for German tourists who want to play K'boy an' Injun. Folks here in Europe still fall for that stuff and we'd be filthy rich overnight at the current exchange rate.

I can shoot black powder, hit silhouettes with a .357 all day (the joys of being built like a brick outhouse) and ride a bit. We know some of the folks around here can make biscuits.

What have you got on offer, apart from the chocolate, we do expect that in any case. We'll call it Forked Tongue Dude Ranchette.
 
well...

I thought the Euro was $1.17 to the euro when it was launched? I would have thought that the 'desired' float would be somewhere around 1-1.

It doesn't really matter, Panthera, because I won't visit doctors for the most part anyway because a) I won't deal with their snooping intrusiveness and b) the HIPPA laws mean that ANYONE in government or the insurance industries has unlimited access to your medical records. This may shorten my life, but at least my life will be mine.

As for other skills, I'm a good shot with pistol, passable with rifle and getting better, work leather, a reasonable horseman though want to get better and I'm a damn good cook (heck I could be a cowboy cookie easy enough).

Oh yeah I'm also a big game hunter but I suck at it.

This might actually work.
 
Great,

except I just realized this would mean wearing those cowboy boots with the pointed toes which no real cowboy wears. Every real cowboy I know would rather die than wear those slippery things. In real life, cow pies are slippery and several hundred pound ruminants think we were made for leaning on and our big feet meant to be stepped on.

OK, you be the cookie, I'll teach them how to fall off horses, I'm very good at that, I was second in my flight in college in bow and arrow...and I sunburn in five minutes in May...so I can be big Chief Peeling Nose.
All we need now is somebody to teach them rope tricks.
Hmm, in this group there have to be some guys into BDSM, there just have to be...

Between the initial discussions and the actual introduction of the Euro, the price was adjusted to reflect the devaluation of the dollar several times. I may have the 2to1 as a false memory, do, however think that was the general goal when discussions first began.

In any case, the difference between the way Canada and the EC have dealt with this crisis and the way the US dealt with it sure makes it hard to sit still for lectures on how only America understands real economics. We need to seriously rethink the function of the financial sector in a capitalist economy and re-evaluate the need for meaningful controls.

Sort of like the USDA and all the food scandals...industry has long since proved that they can not regulate themselves. How? If I am willing to play by the rules and my competitor can save enough money to undercut me and drive me out of business thereby - without suffering legal penalties - he will.

Actually, we did have that problem here in Germany and Italy several years back in my sector and it did cause just those problems.
 
Agreed.

Pointed toe slippery sole cowboy boots MIGHT be good if you're a show rider, but not at all if you are a working cowboy. However a nice pair of Paul Bonds are available in varying toe styles, sole styles, and heels (mine are in a round toe because - duh - I have toes, a vibram sole and a walking heel because I do more than spend time on the back of a horse). So that's a possibility.

As for the sunburn a big cowboy hat would be sufficient. Do you want it in beaver? Wool? Something else?

We don't have real capitalism in the USA and I'm not sure we have had it for many decades. We have government protectionism of some cronies. Otherwise how could so many of these 'too big to fail' industries not have failed DECADES ago?

As for food issues, USAians want to spend $2.50 on a gourmet meal (either at home or in a restaurant). As with most things, you get what you pay for. I loathe boutique groceries such as "Whole Foods" (who source a lot of their frozen organics from China -- the filthiest environment on earth from what I can see) but you CAN find high quality stuff in ordinary supermarkets. But you sure as heck won't find it for $0.49! I have taken to doing things like grinding my own wheat for whole wheat bread - because I can seldom find a source of non rancid flour. Oh yeah, and it costs me $0.49 per pound so maybe you WILL find it - but I'd have to amortize the cost of the grain mill in there too I suppose.

How the USA can say that 'financial services' is something an economy can get rich on is beyond me. I don't understand it.
 
Me, neither

But then, I'm one of those Marxist-Leninist-Trotskeight-fascist-Nazi-Union Members who things value addition is the key to a capitalist, demand driven economy.

Silly me.

It's all supply side and Laffer curves. Any real American knows that, after all Reagan said so and, Reagan said it, the WSJ printed it, I believe it.

Sorry, I minored in economics in school.

You can get rich on financial services, but an economy which does so is ultimately in thrall to those who actually produce the goods for you to service. We got stupid and lazy and decided that the worker was just a cost factor and the real glory lay not in value addition but in M&A and enriching the managers at the cost of the owners and workers.

Well! Time for me to go babysit. Sorry for the rant.

(And yes, I am a union member even if all the other titles don't fit...and I've been called all of them here, at the same time, over the years.)

I do need a new pair of boots, will have to take a look, thanks for the tip.
 
it`s simple

They gave him the prize because he is the first black president and he`s trying to socialize medicine. What else could it be? He has`nt done anything else. Maybe I`m wrong. As for George Bush, he made a big mistake going into Iraq, he should have took care of Bin Laden and maybe by now the war would be over. He did do a woderful job of making sure we were never attacked by terrorist again. Just my 2 cents so no hard feelins fellas. Don
 
Actually, he's the first "black-looking" president. He's technically a mulatto and has both races in him.

If one wants to beleive that one looks after their own kind first, then the brown AND the pink people are represented.

What I really want to see is what happens when he gets back into office for his second term. THEN you gonna see some changes, I'd say.
 
no worries.

I'm not an economist but I understand what you say - that engineering and math background you know :)

PBs aren't cheap but they are great and you can be stock or custom made.

As for Mr. Obama, I don't think he looks all that black.
 
The best explanation I've heard for Obama's Nobel Prize was his recent speech before the UN General Assembly. I didn't listen to more than a few excerpts of it, but apparently his proposal for complete nuclear disarmament, end to hunger, and world peace struck a chord.
 
Here's the transcript of Obama's initial reaction to winning.

What a class act he is. I wonder how much longer Fox News will go on making complete horses asses out of themselves.

***

Good morning. Well, this is not how I expected to wake up this morning. After I received the news, Malia walked in and said, "Daddy, you won the Nobel Peace Prize, and it is Bo's birthday!" And then Sasha added, "Plus, we have a three-day weekend coming up." So it's good to have kids to keep things in perspective.

I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations.

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

But I also know that this prize reflects the kind of world that those men and women, and all Americans, want to build -- a world that gives life to the promise of our founding documents. And I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action -- a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century.

These challenges can't be met by any one leader or any one nation. And that's why my administration has worked to establish a new era of engagement in which all nations must take responsibility for the world we seek. We cannot tolerate a world in which nuclear weapons spread to more nations and in which the terror of a nuclear holocaust endangers more people. And that's why we've begun to take concrete steps to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, because all nations have the right to pursue peaceful nuclear power, but all nations have the responsibility to demonstrate their peaceful intentions.

We cannot accept the growing threat posed by climate change, which could forever damage the world that we pass on to our children -- sowing conflict and famine; destroying coastlines and emptying cities. And that's why all nations must now accept their share of responsibility for transforming the way that we use energy.

We can't allow the differences between peoples to define the way that we see one another, and that's why we must pursue a new beginning among people of different faiths and races and religions; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect.

And we must all do our part to resolve those conflicts that have caused so much pain and hardship over so many years, and that effort must include an unwavering commitment that finally realizes that the rights of all Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and security in nations of their own.

We can't accept a world in which more people are denied opportunity and dignity that all people yearn for -- the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future.

And even as we strive to seek a world in which conflicts are resolved peacefully and prosperity is widely shared, we have to confront the world as we know it today. I am the Commander-in-Chief of a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies. I'm also aware that we are dealing with the impact of a global economic crisis that has left millions of Americans looking for work. These are concerns that I confront every day on behalf of the American people.

Some of the work confronting us will not be completed during my presidency. Some, like the elimination of nuclear weapons, may not be completed in my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone. This award is not simply about the efforts of my administration -- it's about the courageous efforts of people around the world.

And that's why this award must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity -- for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace.

That has always been the cause of America. That's why the world has always looked to America. And that's why I believe America will continue to lead.

Thank you very much.
 

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