NorgeAmanaTag Pump

[DADoES]

 
A PAV5157AWW was given to me.  Has a bad pump (and belt).  The original pump has an integral mounting plate.  I find two replacement choices:  with plate (35-6465) and without plate (35-6780, says it's a revision that mounts directly to the base so I assume it will also work).  Cheaper price on 35-6465.  Is there a specific benefit to the non-plate style?

 

[goatfarmer]

I've used both.Either one will work fine.

 

[repair-man]

I also find them to be interchangable. Maytag/ Whirlpool must not because they make both and every model specifies a certain one. Otherwise they would sub to only one. Your model calls for the 35-6465. The 35-6780 was the later version and may be a higher volume pump. I should know but I just can't remember. I'm guessing the bearing failed on the old pump and jammed the pulley.

 

[redcarpetdrew]

Sometimes not so much...

There are older pav's (and M/W's) that the drain hose comes out of a rectangular access panel on the back and the pump output on one type of pump is angled up so as to clear the hole for the drain hose. The other one will not clear the hole. On washers like mav's where the pump is up front or pav(t)'s where the drain hose comes out a hole on the other side of the machine from where the pump mounts, it's not as critical.

RCD

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>There are older pav's (and M/W's) that the drain hose comes out of a rectangular access panel on the back and the pump output on one type of pump is angled up so as to clear the hole for the drain hose.</blockquote> This is my situation, thanks for detailing that difference.  Leastwise the pump I need is the cheaper one!

Matched pair is from kin-folk.  They called a several months prior, said the washer was making an occasional grinding or rattling noise.  The wife had long wanted an HE machine (read: frontloader), so they weren't much interested in repair.  A few days later the noise cleared up.  I advised to let the machine go until it dies, which happened a couple months later.  Jammed-up on spin but supposedly (I didn't observe the situation) agitated.  They cranked the belt, it turned one way, jammed the other.  Bought replacements, gave me the old pair.  My surprise at finding a simple pump failure.

 

[redcarpetdrew]

That's what kills me. The retrofitted pump WITHOUT the metal base costs more than the pump with the metal base. Ahhh, the pricing idiosyncrasies of WhirlTag... Feel lucky that they just haven't nla'd the pump flat out! BUT give it time... Soon enough we'll be shooting these for lack of parts.

Meanwhile, in Beltsville, someone's pulse just quickened at the thought... LOL!

RCD

 

[repair-man]

Thanks RCD for pointing that out. As many of these that I have replaced through the years I can honestly say I never noticed the difference in the output angle. I have both on my van and just use the one that it calls for. Didn't the 35-6780 also have a metal base plate originally ?

 

[redcarpetdrew]

Metal base plate...

It sure did. That's why I laugh. The only metal on that pump is the drive pulley, drive shaft and the bearing set yet that pump usually sells for more than the older one. Go figure. If you look at the lower end of that pump, you can see how the pump seal and bearing is different from the older one where that wavy metal (crown bearing?) could come loose, pop up and catch on the base plate. What kills me is customers who say that the pump locked up "all of a sudden" when you know it made a hellava racket as the metal scraped against the baseplate for a while before it locked up... The other pump, on the other hand, doesn't look like they did anything about the bearing issue...

RCD

 

[DADoES]

 
Is the machine of question PAV5157AWW a Norgetag or Amanatag?  What are the differences?

 

[repair-man]

It's a "Norgetag"

The Norge and Amana based Maytag machines have nothing in common except a similar transmission (Maytag designed a new one for the Norgetag and later adapted it for the Amana). To confuse things even more in the last years they adapted the Norge cabinet, top, and control panel for the Amana. The Norge design had a little in common with the traditional Maytag helical drive. The motor and pump are bolted to a base frame with a single belt under the baseframe. The Amana motor attached to the suspended tub/ transmission structure with a direct driven pump under the motor. Go to the Speed Queen website and look at the washer cutaway picture and it's basically the same. I never felt that the Norgetag was a horrible machine. I sold and serviced a lot of Maytags in this era and 10 - 20 years later not too many of any Maytag washers I sold are still around. The Amanatag on the other hand was nothing more than a disaster. I was never a big fan of the Speed Queen/ Amana design including the Alliance models of today. But the Maytag "improved" version made even GE washers look better.

 

[goatfarmer]

Yeah, the Norge built machines were a decent performer. Haven't had one come through in a while, but I got to where I could change the snubber ring on the bottom of the trans assy, in about 30 minutes.