Not closing the door on the option of a frontload washer as next daily driver but do have a few ques

[pierreandreply4]

Hello to all,

just wanted all aw members that i am not completly closing the door on the option of a frontload washer as a next daily driver but i do have a few questions

question 1 is the sanitize cycle safe for washing bed sheets when needed and wash clothes usefor cleaning the kitchen? 2 the brands i am considering are maytag maxima the kenmore elite brand maybe lg depending on the price an do these frontload models still offers a warm rinse if needed?

thank you but it will also depends on the price

 

[henene4]

Sanitize should be safe for any pure cotton item that is not in particular heat sensitive. So anything bedding or towel wise that has no major synthetic part should be fine. I would say if it allows a hot wash, it should be good for sanitize and such.
Care should be taken however with intense colors. Fadeing increases with such high tempertures in my experience.
But there are some in between options temperature wise. As we heared, the Maytags seem to be less sporadic on hot water use, meaning hot is pretty hot anyways. And LG allows with its Whitest Whites something arround the 140°F&#92 60°C range, so not quite the Sanitize range, but hot anyways.

Warm rinse is really a good question. I know LG had the Medic Rinse option in the US for a while, which gives an essentially warm final rinse.
However, the options for warm rinses seems rather non existent any more. So, I can't tell you exactly on that.

Side note off topic: Whirlpools new washer range in the EU offers an option called warm finish (not kidding), giving a final warm rinse. So, we phased warm rinses in with LG right arround when you started to phase them out. Now, they are gone from your market, and we get another one offering that exact option.

 

[appnut]

Pierre, due to energy star guidelines, warm rinse sare no longer being offered on anywasher.  LG even states in their user manuals all rinses are cold.  Maytag also says the same.  There is one exception.  It's Whirlpool's WFW98HEBU that is on their web site.  It is the current equivalent of my model.  The user manual states it's NSF P172 for Sanitize certified and NSF P351 certified for Allergen cycle for level of sanitization.  If you research those two, the guidelines state requirements as to what temperature level and length of time at that temperature is required to meet those standards.  Allergene is a temperature around 130 to 131 degrees.  For Sanitize it's around 153 to 155 degrees and also required for a certain amount of time at that temperature.  I use Allergen for all my sheets and towels.  My towels are either very dark or lighter colors.  I also use that for my personal whites/.  For kitchen towels and napkins I do use Sanitize temperature option since food contaminants may be involved and heavy food soil stains.  For flannel sheets I use warm water which is around 100 degrees as that is what warm is supposed to be.  The Normal/Casual cycle is what was used for Energy Star rating.  It's temperatures are slightly adjusted lower than what Whites Cycle is.  Hot with steam for stains on Normal Casual is around 122 degrees from what I've rad on forums over the last several years.  (120 degrees was the temperature on washers from the 1950s and early 1960s that had a temperatue setting called "Medium")  I use that cycle and combination of options for a mattress pad I have that says it can be washed in hot water up to 120 degrees.  Whites on hot can heat in a range form 127 to 130 degrees.   LG doesn't have an NSF P172 certification for their Sanitize cycle last time I looked at their manuals a couple of months ago.  Their Allergene cycle is certified by a professional allergy society when I researched their who certified their allergene cycle.  I did a load of kakhi color slacks last weekend (about 6 or 7 pairs) and one pair had a large blood stain on it that had sat for over a week (I'd had a shot and accidentally bled all over the pans).  I used a full scoop of gain detergent, Normal/Casual cycle, warm water, and steam for stains option.  The whole stain was removed in the wash cycle.  I didn't use Biz, just the detergent with a lot of enzymes.  Even I was amazed.  I just personally prefer the additional flexibility with various cycles and temperatures and steam/stains options of Whirlpool & Maytag over LG.  And I thoroughly studied user manuals.  And Frigilux with his new Maytag Maximas can now understand my wisdom and thoroughly appreciated my input for his decision. 

 

[pierreandreply4]

thank you henene4

Thank you henene4 the reason i am reconsidering this is i have been thinking if someone is sick do plain hot water coming from the tap is efficient engouh to kill cold germs on bedding i neen an efficient cycle that can kill at least 99.9% of cold germs on bedding

 

[washerdude]

You do have the option of selecting an any temp rinse on extra rinse though. To do this set it to drain and spin and turn on extra rinse, pick your options and hit start.

 

[pierreandreply4]

Thank you washer dude but i do went other options

 

[ronhic]

If someone is ill

....simply wash bedding at 60c or whatever equivalent cycle.

 

You don't need any hotter. You're not dealing with contaminants that require disposal as hazardous waste for goodness sake.

 

I've said this before and I'm saying it again and whilst I don't subscribe to it - the MAJORITY of Australians, Japanese, NZ and many others wash exclusively in COLD water, don't tend to use LCB and we're:

 

- not dying of infectious diseases

- whites are white

- brights may be brighter (damn).

 

Whilst I love the interaction on this forum, it grinds me like no other when people start talking about 'sanitizing' every day items from underwear to towels and everything in between. Even when someone is ill, it's unnecessary unless there are open wounds or excreta deposits and even then, a SMALL amount of LCB, Napisan or similar will sort it.

 

Quite simply, you're over doing it folks....and according to studies going back at least 25 years, by sanitizing so rigorously you're actually creating problems for your own health by reducing your exposure to bacteria. This effectively shields your immune system which then can't cope when exposed leading to increases in asthma, hay-fever and susceptibility to other more harmful diseases including diabetes and inflammatory bowel disease.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/h...too-clean-is-actually-harming-our-kids-2015-6

 

[ronhic]

...and the link

...to the Hygiene Hypothesis.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/

 

[pierreandreply4]

ronhic, i do wash in cold water the sanitize cycle i would use only if me or my mom are sick and with bedding and try living in a winter climate where tempatures can sometime go with the wind factor to near -30 degrees

 

[ronhic]

Pierre

It was more a general comment rather than specifically directed.

 

[pierreandreply4]

no need to worry i think it took me a long time but slowly realising this after having a cold this summer that lasted 3 weeks

 

[a440]

LG WM4270 Sanitize Wash...

The LG WM4270 Set that I purchased is NSF Protocol P172
Sanitation Performance of Residential and
Commercial, Family Sized Clothes Washers.  I

cannot speak for all LG Front Load Washers...but

the 4270 is.  I truly don't see how any front load washer

or dishwasher in the USA could have the cycle "Sanitize" without it

being under the guidelines of the "NSF". 

 

Also my matching gas dryer is Protocol P154
Sanitization Performance of
Residential Clothes dryer.

 

Brent

[this post was last edited: 10/2/2015-23:27]

 

[brucelucenta]

I have the Kenmore Elite set and am very pleased with it. It does take a long time to do a load of clothes, but so what? It does it very well, with no linting at all and clothes so dry that it takes little time to dry them. It rinses on cold, I think all of them do now. But it will rinse up to 3 extra times.

 

[frigilux]

Pierre-- I've washed bed sheets, kitchen towels and rags, and personal garments on the Sanitize cycle many, many times. I have not noticed any extra wear on fabrics.

Since the water gets very hot and the wash tumble is long (usually around an hour) you probably wouldn't want to wash dress clothes, or bright/dark colors using the Sanitize cycle.

I've also used the Cold Wash cycle on my Maytag Maxima several times. It cleans very well. It sprays a concentrated detergent solution on the clothes and tumbles for 15 minutes. Then the rest of the water is added and the wash cycle continues. I use Tide Coldwater detergent for that cycle and have had great results.

 

[arbilab]

Colds are much more likely spread by touching household surfaces (e.g., doorknobs) or simply breathing the same air as the sick person, than by finished laundry.

I'm reminded of several widely-known datapoints:
Cooking food to 165F is considered safe from all foodborne bacteria (except botulism where the bacterial byproduct is the toxin not the bacteria itself and not destroyed by heat).
165F is a nominal dryer temperature.
Hospitals boil EVERYTHING including laundry. Yet hospitals are by far the most likely infection vector. IOW, nobody obsesses more about "germs" or knows more about them than hospitals. And even so there's noplace you're likely to acquire an infection than a hospital.

So we can stop obsessing over household laundry sanitation. Unless that is, we simply enjoy obsessing. And many do, not that there's anything wrong with that. I obsess over home food preparation processes but only because I can. I still eat at restaurants and fastfoods and in my whole life can only remember twice it gave me temporary gastrointestinal upset.

 

[pierreandreply4]

thank you for the input i am noting all of this

Thank you everyone i am noting all of this its good input for the day my duet washer go bye bye and breaks beyond repair because i do have an 11 year old set and planing in advance allows to put $$$ aside for when the time comes to buy a new set just 2 days a ago i had to wash 1 of my bed sheets because 1 of my cat had vomited on my bed right now i curse the fact that i do not have a sanitize cycle or an oxi boost option on my actual duet this is the controls of my washer what do it lacks?

1 a sanitize cycle a higher spin speed ect to name a few disricard the wash temp on the controls since i am doing a load in cold water dark colors t be precise

 

[golittlesport]

Interestingly enough, on my LG 3570, although it states all rinses are cold, on the Sanitize cycle or any cycle when "Steam" is added as an option, the load is very warm when the machine is done. I guess the water gets so hot in the wash cycle that the cold rinses turn warm in the tub.