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There are some residences here with solar panels.  I have no info on how many.  One is up the road from me, I can see the house from my window.

Meta Platforms (aka Facebook) is an investor in a wind farm installation a bit east of town, planned to be finished by December.
 
#25 lol

"....I've lived all-electric for the past 37 years and I'm tired of it. And my partner would like to have at least gas cooktop. Having a gas oven and electric oven would be perfect...."

So Bob, you've <span style="text-decoration: underline;">lived</span> 37 years as a spoiled person without gas asphyxiation, explosion's, or having to spend big $$$ for repairs or replacement of gas appliances and...

you're "tired of it."

ha-RUMPHHHH!

 

Oh my.  Well if your concern is having a gas grill just buy one.  They often come ready for connecting to a 20 pound propane tank that can be easily exchanged out at an area propane dealer when needed.

 

Likewise if you want a gas stove in your kitchen and especially if it's next to or near an outside wall just get the gas stove/oven you want, drill a 3/4" hole through the wall, put the same 20 pound (or larger) propane tank outside and connect it to the stove through the wall.  Cooking appliances use the least amount of gas because they are so rarely used thus the tank should last months before needing to be switched out. 

 

A portable tank is the safest way of getting your fill of the gas lifestyle.  lol.   No need to wait or spend money on a gas lateral. Take that step down from electric. 

 

 

 

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Hail damage is a rarity to solar panels.

Yes there are a few states like texas, oklahoma, and florida that are more likely to experience severe hail or wind damage but it isn't just solar panels that will be damaged by the likes of grapefruit sized hail. 

 

If you had a solar array professionally installed then one's home owners insurance would cover damages done to solar panels and of course the rest of the home.

Solar panels are relatively inexpensive and a $150 solar panel is easy to replace and afford.

 

Solar panels can withstand "abuse" such as medium size hail.  They are designed to be outside permanently.

 

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With the OBVIOUS climate change that is impacting the planet, my question to those living the states mentioned above: WHY are you still living there?  It's only going to get worse. 

 

 

Does the recent sky rocketing home insurance and property taxes not mean anything to you? 

The last thing to be worried about is solar panels.

 

This upcoming hurricane season is showing all the signs of being THE WORST in history. 

The unusually warm water temps in the Atlantic ocean is not a good sign.

 

 

 







 

 

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/s...National Renewable,is less than five percent.
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This whole rush to convert the country to everything electric is nothing short of folly and fantasy. Our grid wont handle it in its present state, and we dont produce enough power to supply all the demand they want to burden it with. Its putting the cart before the horse and absolute stupidity to think it can be done in such a short time as they want. The people in CA can deal with their brown outs and imbecile governor telling them to conserve power on high demand days because they've shut down so many power plants and dropped their grid to its knees but Im not ready for the whole country to have rolling black outs because our system is over taxed. Not to mention when you're at the mercy of one energy source for your daily routine they'll have power over you and can ruin your life in an instant when they flick off the switch. Dont want to pay our insane rates? Fine! Have fun walking to work or riding your bike or the electric bus because you wont be able to charge your eco mobile, and have fun eating cold food because your induction or electric stove and microwave wont work as well, oh and you better buy a solar charger for your phone too. The electric clothes dryer? Better forget about that too. As well as the TV. And learn to live in the dark at night now you'll love it once you get used to it. Yeah sounds like a real sweet utopia they have in store for us!
 
Converting to an all electric future

Year over year for the last decade or more, this country is used less electricity, meanwhile, were producing more and more electricity with renewable wind and solar and we haven’t even scratch the surface yet.

When I was out in Northern California, nearly 1 in 20 cars are electric here in the DC area. We have a lot of electric cars and yet there’s no power shortages the system will adapt engineers are planning for it.

My electric costs here at home are only about $80 a month for people that know me this house has a lot of electrical appliances, I do still use natural gas for heating hot water heating and clothes drying. I pay about $100 a month for natural gas. I currently have two full-size freezers and three refrigerators running all the time all inside cooking is electric I have five gas dryers, one gas range outside two gas, water heaters, and two gas furnaces.

As time goes on, I will replace air conditioners with heat pumps to reduce the amount of gas I use.

I’m not the least bit worried about the world running out of electricity.

John
 
#33

"convert the country to everything electric" ?

Everything is ALREADY electric and good for all of us. No complaints.

As was pointed out above, electricity is in ALL homes already in the U.S.

Gas is in only 55% of homes and typically only fuels 3-4 appliances and usually can't even operate with out electricity there to baby it and manage and control said appliances. It's ridiculous.

Gas is a dirty, inefficient, limited use, explosive form of sustenance that never should have been piped to residential properties.

The costly aging network of pipes that distributes said gases frequently leaks and needs replacement.

Ignore the criminals who have a vested interest in oil companies spreading their lies.
Fossil fuels are increasingly difficult to mine and refine. They are dirty to refine and pollute heavily.

These refinery disasters happen so often in texas, and the state is so corrupt that I don't think the people there even realize how screwed they are living in that state. It's pathetic.

There was once a time when humans burned whale oil for gas lamps. When we burned wood and coal for heat. When we used horses and carriages for transportation.

We can and should be grateful to past technologies that allowed us to exist, but accept that their times have come and gone and move on.

 
The other thing

The other thing is that all fossil fuels are running out, and we will convert to renewables over time. The real question is: Is there enough fossil fuel to manufacture all of the solar panels and wind generators that will be needed world wide? After we convert to all renewable, new solar panels have to be manufactured because they only last 25 years.

I tried to calculate this once using data available on fossil fuels still left, but all of the zeros frustrated me.

Fossil fuels are free and that has always been their advantage. Only requiring extraction, refining and movement. Renewables cost a lot and need maintenance, and as mentioned a huge investment in our electric grid. It is happening gradually.
 
all fossil fuels are running out,

BS

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07...a-to-boost-economies-help-meet-global-demand/

"Equatorial Guyana and Suriname—situated side-by-side and bounded by the equator and Atlantic Ocean — have combined oil reserves estimated to be 17 billion barrels of oil equivalent. Together this represents the world’s largest oil discovery in the last two decades. Some call it the “the most promising oil discovery hotspot on earth.” Others say it is “the most exciting oil frontier on earth.” In addition, there are gas reserves of more than 30 trillion cubic feet".

https://geology.com/articles/utica-shale/

"The Marcellus Shale has become one of the world's largest natural gas fields, and the Utica Shale - located a few thousand feet below the Marcellus - has become a new drilling target.

"The United States Geological Survey's mean estimates of undiscovered, technically recoverable unconventional resources indicate that the Utica Shale contains about 38 trillion cubic feet of natural gas."

-Just to name a few.
 
Electric not always safe.

In a city not far away from me they had a large surge of power and several houses had massive fires in them. Some totaled the house but all needed fire department response. The least will be all electric wires will need to be replaced in these houses. Things can happen no matter what type of fuel you use.

Jon
 
Reply number 36

Hi Martin, your remark that fossil fuels are free, would be funny if it were even remotely true.

The cost and damage of extracting fossil fuels from the earth is beyond calculating, the problem is not that we’re running out of fossil fuels. The problem is, the damage we’re doing to the Earth by burning them and extracting them.

Solar inHi Martin, your remark that fossil fuels are free, would be funny if it were even remotely true.

The cost and damage of extracting fossil fuels from the earth is beyond calculating, the problem is not that we’re running out of fossil fuels. The problem is, the damage were doing to the earth by burning them and extracting them.

Solar and wind energy are truly free and are available to almost anybody with the land and space in the sun.

Current heat wave we are having has proven the advantage of wind and solar energy. It’s the only thing that has saved Texas from massive blackouts, brownouts, etc. during this heat wave.

Continuing to extract, oil and gas and burn, it is only gonna burn us into oblivion.

John.
 
liberal eco-nazis

Seriously, I am so sick and tired of liberal eco-nazis telling us how to live our lives. we can't use hot water or any at all to wash our clothes properly, we can't have phosphates in our laundry and dishwasher detergents, and now they're trying to get rid of gas stoves. Enough already! SMH!
 
I don't believe they will ever ban existing gas stove installations. A worthy exception might be an area that's prone to earthquakes.

The phosphates were killing the fish, and we found a way around using them. I think that's a good thing.

On other side of the coin, how are we going to handle recycling all the used electic car batteries, send them to the poor countries in the east where hey have lax pollution laws? We already do that with much of our discarded elecronics.
 
Jerome, I know how you feel but I suggest ‘tone it down’ a little. I know it’s just a figure of speech, but just be careful what you put out there or else someone might take it the wrong way. I actually have German and English in my blood, not necessarily going to take offense to it but others with German heritage probably will.

Come to think of it, maybe that’s why I have an obsession and affinity for anything mechanical along with liking things that are over-built along with the ability to be repaired or rebuilt.
 
Get real.  You can use as much hot water as you want - no one is stopping you.  As for phosphates,  if you are so desperate for them you can buy some. I and many others are perfectly happy with current detergents and our non-polluted lakes and streams. You are not the only person living in this country.
 
Reply number 44

Hi Ken, used EV batteries are being put to use by a company in Virginia. They’re teaming them up with solar panels, saving electricity and selling it back to the power companies during peak demand periods.

Apparently the batteries don’t really fail completely and if the car is wrecked or some of the batteries fail they can use the rest of them this way when you consider house expensive the batteries are I’m sure clever uses will be found for them for a long time into the future maybe at that time to find a decent way to recycle them.

John
 
tried and true heritage

I am of the opinion that anything that has tried and true heritage just plain works. Anything new looks and sounds and evens works stupid. Case in point, the new "HE" so-called washers and dryers. I've tried them, they don't work. The Speed Queens at my apartment on the other hand, do. I have seen videos, done research, and tried these new machines and they absolutely don't work. No hot water, damp clothes, not enough water... the list goes on and on. Now look at what's going on with these new machines.
Why are they continuing to push these subpar machines on us?
 
calling things as I see them

Not to sound or be rude, but I'm just calling things how I see them. I am so sick and tired of being told of how much resources we can and can't use. Using less resources gets worse performance. End of story. Period. You need water to clean and heat to cook.This government intervention has to stop. If anybody is causing a "water shortage" I blame the agricultural farmers. Leave my gas stoves and "water hogs" alone! I'm so sick and tired of the "eco friendly" sanctioned appliances today that don't perform worth a damn!
 
Jerome, as far as being sick and tired, since we’re voicing our opinions here, I’m sick and tired of your whining about the need to conserve water and other resources.

Get your head out of the sand! Being able to use endless amounts of water in your washing machine and endless amounts of gas and electricity to heat it is SELFISH!! Do you not pay attention to the news? There is a big problem with Climate Change and its effect on the earths environment and our natural resources, whether you want to recognize it or not. Our government is racing against the clock to save our precious natural resources before its too late.

And the shortage of water certainly isn’t the result of agriculture! For cryin’ out loud, producing the food that mankind NEEDS for survival is vastly more important than you or anyone else being able to use a much water and fossil fuel as you want to do the laundry. No man is an island, we are all in this together.

The way you complain one would think that you were the only person suffering in the world. Having to conserve water is no where near as terrible as turning on the tap one day and having no water come out of it.

Get a life!

Eddie
 
laundry, cooking and dishes

So why are so many complaints being posted online? The new machines promise to save to save money on resources by using less, only for the everyday consumer to be frustrated that it takes 2-3 times to get the same performance as their old one did. And it's not just washers, dryers and dishwashers. It's also refrigerators, ranges, etc. etc.
What is it going to take for you to wake up and smell the coffee? The reason why I'm "complaining" is because I know what's coming. I forgot to mention that I used a friend's HE washer and the performance was abysmal. All in the name of "saving the planet". My Speed Queens can be filled to the brim during both wash and rinse and get the job done properly. I beg to differ that the Speed Queen is more of a high efficiency washer than the so-called HE appliances anything will ever be.
 
Online complaints

Jerome, remember when reading online reviews (complaints) there is no way in knowing if the problem is with the appliance or the user. Many people simply just don't use machines (or stoves) with the understanding of how to make them work correctly. Also keep in mind that people are MUCH more likely to put fingers to keyboard when they are upset vs pleased so online reviews are overwhelmingly negative for all products.

Ask yourself this, how is it that many people in this group actually PREFER front loading washing machines if they are so awful? Perhaps they have learned and adapted to using them correctly so as to reap the benefits that front load machines offer. Europeans by and large use front load machines, and oddly they don't complain the way American consumers do, how come? I use the analogy that if one were to go from an automatic transmission vehicle to one with a manual transmission, yet if they attempted to drive it the same way, it isn't going to work very well either. Laundry habits one gets away with in a traditional top load washer don't work so well in a front load machine. This isn't a problem with the machine, it is a problem with the user.

Some choose to learn and adapt to different (superior?) technologies, others remain stuck and just complain...
 
Opinions are like....

A site I highly respect has done extensive testing and a lot of research, put the GE FL as a second place choice.  They looked at repair records and overall performance and felt comfortable with the GE.

 

You can find all the negative reviews you want -  if you want to - every product has them.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-washer-and-dryer/
 

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