hotpointwf220
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The New LG F1443KD with 11KG load size. I saw one in Comet today, If I had £899 id get one as it has lots of programs.
Now Hoover, you got some catching up to do for load size
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hoover1100
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problem is...
As far as I'm aware it has a 78litre drum, that equates to an 8kg capacity not 11kg.
In the same way the Hoover vision has a 60litre drum and therefore a 6kg capacity not 8 or 9.
I think the dynamic 10 has a 74litre drum, more like 7.5kg than 10kg
LIES! it's all LIES!
As far as I'm aware it has a 78litre drum, that equates to an 8kg capacity not 11kg.
In the same way the Hoover vision has a 60litre drum and therefore a 6kg capacity not 8 or 9.
I think the dynamic 10 has a 74litre drum, more like 7.5kg than 10kg
LIES! it's all LIES!
dyson2drums
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my dysons drum is 78litres, dyson rated it 7kg?
aquarius1984
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Lots of programmes?
Just which ones would you use?
I know I have a wide variety of fabrics yet the basic Indesit copes with them all. I know I personally wouldnt use Jeans, Pillow, Towel, Shoe, Ferret Fur, Snakeskin, and Roof Tile cycles and I wonder just who does.
Seems like a massive marketing gimmick.
Mum's LG has Bulky, Bedding and Baby cycles yet she never uses them. Most of them dont give what she wants - the Bedding cycle only spins at 800rpm. All very well it does not crease but then it significantly increases tumble drying times especially in winter when the tumble drying action would reduce ironing anyway not to mention when you have stripped 5 beds and really want to just get it washed dried and ironed quickly to put back on the beds.
Same with the baby cycle that spins at 800rpm
Mieles jeans cycle AFAIA only spins at 900rpm not exactly appropriate when your trying to wash jeans in the winter climate.
Same point made about tumble drying which would impact more on the integrity of the fabric than an extra 500 rpm.
We washed fabrics using 9 wash programmes designed by the Engineering Department long before Marketing Departments decided to design and these cycles to machines.
Just which ones would you use?
I know I have a wide variety of fabrics yet the basic Indesit copes with them all. I know I personally wouldnt use Jeans, Pillow, Towel, Shoe, Ferret Fur, Snakeskin, and Roof Tile cycles and I wonder just who does.
Seems like a massive marketing gimmick.
Mum's LG has Bulky, Bedding and Baby cycles yet she never uses them. Most of them dont give what she wants - the Bedding cycle only spins at 800rpm. All very well it does not crease but then it significantly increases tumble drying times especially in winter when the tumble drying action would reduce ironing anyway not to mention when you have stripped 5 beds and really want to just get it washed dried and ironed quickly to put back on the beds.
Same with the baby cycle that spins at 800rpm
Mieles jeans cycle AFAIA only spins at 900rpm not exactly appropriate when your trying to wash jeans in the winter climate.
Same point made about tumble drying which would impact more on the integrity of the fabric than an extra 500 rpm.
We washed fabrics using 9 wash programmes designed by the Engineering Department long before Marketing Departments decided to design and these cycles to machines.
electron1100
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Drum size
Marketing and more Marketing, whats the spin speed, how many watts does it consume, whats the drum size..........these it seems are the only paremeters the public are interested in when buying washers/hoovers etc.
Pathetic all of it......and going on the amount of LG washers I have seen at work with knackered bearings .......one to avoid
The grumpy git in cornwall
Marketing and more Marketing, whats the spin speed, how many watts does it consume, whats the drum size..........these it seems are the only paremeters the public are interested in when buying washers/hoovers etc.
Pathetic all of it......and going on the amount of LG washers I have seen at work with knackered bearings .......one to avoid
The grumpy git in cornwall
Lol do you do make me laugh Rob. Have to say I very rarely use the special programmes on ours... only ones I have real use for are the curtains programme, and the Pillows progamme which does a grand job on pillows and duvets. Interestingly, a lot of the special programmes i.e. Sportswear, Outerwear, Shirts etc are all variations of the Minimum Iron programme, and are basically pointless.
The Denim programme does spin at 900rpm for about 3 minutes, so not too different to a fast spin cycle of yesteryear, but still, I find little use for it especially as it's very rare I wash jeans seperately - they just go in with the other darks with no detrimental effect after a cottons 40 and a 1600rpm spin.
The dark programmes that are coming up on newer machines makes me laugh too. We have one on ours, and again I've seldom used it. To me, if you want to care for your colours, you're better off buying a colour safe detergent then using a special cycle.
In our house everything gets washed on Cottons, Minimum Iron, Delicates or Woollens, bar the Express cycle if I'm being lazy - it's very rarely that our dial is turned to "Further programmes".
Jon
The Denim programme does spin at 900rpm for about 3 minutes, so not too different to a fast spin cycle of yesteryear, but still, I find little use for it especially as it's very rare I wash jeans seperately - they just go in with the other darks with no detrimental effect after a cottons 40 and a 1600rpm spin.
The dark programmes that are coming up on newer machines makes me laugh too. We have one on ours, and again I've seldom used it. To me, if you want to care for your colours, you're better off buying a colour safe detergent then using a special cycle.
In our house everything gets washed on Cottons, Minimum Iron, Delicates or Woollens, bar the Express cycle if I'm being lazy - it's very rarely that our dial is turned to "Further programmes".
Jon
paulc
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I have used the denim programme on my Miele a couple of times but find the cottons programme cleans better due to the varying drum speeds and the jeans dry a lot quicker having the full spin. My Miele doesn't have the further programmes option......what you see is what you get. I do use the darks programme if the load just needs a light wash but for heavier soiled darks I use the cottons programme.
ronhic
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I'm so pleased...
....that others have taken task with the number of useless cycles appearing on machines....
Let's be honest. Most of us use Cottons 30/40/60, Synthetics 30/40 and Wool/Handwash 30.....with an occassional turn to cold.
Quite frankly, if I can't wash it in one of those cycles, I'm either unlikely to own it or buy it....
....that others have taken task with the number of useless cycles appearing on machines....
Let's be honest. Most of us use Cottons 30/40/60, Synthetics 30/40 and Wool/Handwash 30.....with an occassional turn to cold.
Quite frankly, if I can't wash it in one of those cycles, I'm either unlikely to own it or buy it....
chrisbsuk
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I must admit, I have used the "Special Sports Shoes" cycle, to wash my running shoes in a couple of times. The cycle consists of a prewash, then a main wash, 3 rinses, and a final spin at 800 RPM. It is exactly the same as the "platinum wool" cycle on the newer hotpoint machines, where the machine fills with water and then the drum turns at distribution speed for the duration of the cycle - thus ensuring the trainers are firmly "stuck" to the walls of the drum, and not banging about, potentially damaging the machine. I havent used the "Special Sports Clothes" programme....the manual seems to have the same description as the easy care 50* cycle...
I agree. With the exception of Indesit/Hotpoint's distribution washes on certain cycles, most of these special programs seem to be so similar to a standard cycle, they might aswell have not added them. I use cottons 40 & 60 99% of the time, with Synthetics 40 or 50 the remaining 1%. Nothing else gets used. Though gladly, Zanussi seem to have so far avoided alot of the pointless crap & stuck to Cottons, Synthetics, EasyIron, Delicates, Wool, Mini Load & the odd Sports wear program so no problems here.
I also find it quite sad how many people ive seen selling a 2 or 3 year old 7kg drum machine as they 'need a bigger drum'. Why the hell does a normal household 'need' a bigger drum than 7kg. If they manage to fill a machine bigger than 7kg then it says to me they need to put washing on more often, not just buy a huge machine.
Also, they coped fine with the 5kg drums for years, why the need to double it now? I'll admit, i like the extra space our Zanussi Essential 6kg has, and would consider a 7kg just so theres space for everything to move around when washing double or king size bedding, or the occasional throw/curtain. But anything bigger than 7kg surely isn't ever going to be used sufficiently to justify the purchase.
Same with the obsession with huge spin speeds. People don't seem to realise that a Miele with a 1300 spin will probably still leave washing dryer than a Hoover with 1600 spin becauseost of the machines that have the stupidly fast spins aren't build with good enough parts to carry it off. Its all a big con i reckon.
1200 spin & 6 or 7kg will do me fine thanks!
I also find it quite sad how many people ive seen selling a 2 or 3 year old 7kg drum machine as they 'need a bigger drum'. Why the hell does a normal household 'need' a bigger drum than 7kg. If they manage to fill a machine bigger than 7kg then it says to me they need to put washing on more often, not just buy a huge machine.
Also, they coped fine with the 5kg drums for years, why the need to double it now? I'll admit, i like the extra space our Zanussi Essential 6kg has, and would consider a 7kg just so theres space for everything to move around when washing double or king size bedding, or the occasional throw/curtain. But anything bigger than 7kg surely isn't ever going to be used sufficiently to justify the purchase.
Same with the obsession with huge spin speeds. People don't seem to realise that a Miele with a 1300 spin will probably still leave washing dryer than a Hoover with 1600 spin becauseost of the machines that have the stupidly fast spins aren't build with good enough parts to carry it off. Its all a big con i reckon.
1200 spin & 6 or 7kg will do me fine thanks!
do agree
I'd also add the Miele mixed fabrics cycle ( in novotronics, aka "automatic" in softtronics). Ok, they're mieles, but human brain works better anyway. It senses heavy syntetics as cottons and viceversa light cottons as synts. So it' s better MI, so one is sure about having the cooldown.
Not to mention "stuffed animals" cycle ......
There is no more the easy care boilwash. It was common on old machines and was useful for linen towels and linen table stuff. But just set the cooldown menu in the cottons, low spin et voila here it is.
What about dishwashers ?I'm thinking of those TOL mieles have plastic cycle. Find it useless, because of the hidden heater that allows plastics in normal cycles. By the way one doesn't throw plastic items into a hamper to wait for a full load ...
On the other side I'd like to see on all models the "no heat" cycle (to be used with hot fill only). It can be very useful when many heating appliances are working in the meanwhile
Carlo
I'd also add the Miele mixed fabrics cycle ( in novotronics, aka "automatic" in softtronics). Ok, they're mieles, but human brain works better anyway. It senses heavy syntetics as cottons and viceversa light cottons as synts. So it' s better MI, so one is sure about having the cooldown.
Not to mention "stuffed animals" cycle ......
There is no more the easy care boilwash. It was common on old machines and was useful for linen towels and linen table stuff. But just set the cooldown menu in the cottons, low spin et voila here it is.
What about dishwashers ?I'm thinking of those TOL mieles have plastic cycle. Find it useless, because of the hidden heater that allows plastics in normal cycles. By the way one doesn't throw plastic items into a hamper to wait for a full load ...
On the other side I'd like to see on all models the "no heat" cycle (to be used with hot fill only). It can be very useful when many heating appliances are working in the meanwhile
Carlo
ronhic
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Liam....
I agree with you.
My mother washed for years in a 10lb machine (Simpson toploader) for a family of 4...replaced it with a 4.5kg (10lb) ASEA with no problems...
She now has a 7kg Fisher and Paykel (Beko) machine and there is only 2 of them....
Personally, I think there are several factors that are influencing peoples purchasing over and above the advertising..
- Full length cycles are getting longer as water consumption drops...so people buy larger capacity machines to make the most of that time
- We seem almost programmed to accept that 'bigger is better'
- People think they need the capacity. The average sized load of washing is 4kg or 9lb....which means that 90% probably don't use or need the capacity (I for one get feather/down duvets dry cleaned)...
Lets take my Zanussi-Westinghouse as an example. 40c cotton is 1:57 long and rated at 6.5kg...if I do an 'average' wash load of 4kg, which I mostly do, engage 'quick' (and reduce the detergent by 30%) it takes 1:08....funny, isn't that close to what a 30yr old 4.5kg Hoover would take???? And because the drum isn't jam packed, everything moves nice and freely, spins well and is rinsed well, especially given the quick wash rinse level is higher....
But then, most of us already know that. It's the great unwashed that need educating.
I agree with you.
My mother washed for years in a 10lb machine (Simpson toploader) for a family of 4...replaced it with a 4.5kg (10lb) ASEA with no problems...
She now has a 7kg Fisher and Paykel (Beko) machine and there is only 2 of them....
Personally, I think there are several factors that are influencing peoples purchasing over and above the advertising..
- Full length cycles are getting longer as water consumption drops...so people buy larger capacity machines to make the most of that time
- We seem almost programmed to accept that 'bigger is better'
- People think they need the capacity. The average sized load of washing is 4kg or 9lb....which means that 90% probably don't use or need the capacity (I for one get feather/down duvets dry cleaned)...
Lets take my Zanussi-Westinghouse as an example. 40c cotton is 1:57 long and rated at 6.5kg...if I do an 'average' wash load of 4kg, which I mostly do, engage 'quick' (and reduce the detergent by 30%) it takes 1:08....funny, isn't that close to what a 30yr old 4.5kg Hoover would take???? And because the drum isn't jam packed, everything moves nice and freely, spins well and is rinsed well, especially given the quick wash rinse level is higher....
But then, most of us already know that. It's the great unwashed that need educating.
what would you think about an Electrolux top loader...
...that has 20 programs and up to 400 different combinations?
The programs chart also include "dress pants", "pants", "dress shirts", "shirts", "blacks", and of course "wool", "delicate" and "heavy stains".
Well, which program should I use to wash a delicate black wool dress pant with heavy stains?
I just can't believe i did that, and yes, the marketing department sent me an internal order to those cycles.
Believe it or not, the cycles were not repeated, but the user has to pay atention during the whole cycle (and use a set of chronometers) to discover the "dress pants" wash is 15 seconds shorter than the "pants" wash. The agitation amplitude is 3 degrees longer on wool x delicate. (Please don't ask e the difference these 3 dgrees does. but technically, it's different LOL)
By the way, the machine has 2 program dials plus the options buttons, 5 different agitation profiles and a passive dual action agitator with "sneakers" rubber clip on accessories
...that has 20 programs and up to 400 different combinations?
The programs chart also include "dress pants", "pants", "dress shirts", "shirts", "blacks", and of course "wool", "delicate" and "heavy stains".
Well, which program should I use to wash a delicate black wool dress pant with heavy stains?
I just can't believe i did that, and yes, the marketing department sent me an internal order to those cycles.
Believe it or not, the cycles were not repeated, but the user has to pay atention during the whole cycle (and use a set of chronometers) to discover the "dress pants" wash is 15 seconds shorter than the "pants" wash. The agitation amplitude is 3 degrees longer on wool x delicate. (Please don't ask e the difference these 3 dgrees does. but technically, it's different LOL)
By the way, the machine has 2 program dials plus the options buttons, 5 different agitation profiles and a passive dual action agitator with "sneakers" rubber clip on accessories
How about the GE Harmony, folks?
COLOR CYCLES
• Bright/Dark Colors
• Light Colors
• Mixed Colors
• New Colors
• Whites
GARMENT CYCLES
• Athletic Wear
• Blouses
• Delicates
• Dress Shirts
• Easy Care
• Everyday Wear/Casual
• Jackets/Coats
• Jeans
• Khakis
• Knits
• Lingerie
• Mixed Garments
• Play Clothes
• Sweaters
• Swimwear
• Underwear
• Silks (Washable)
FABRIC CYCLES
• Blends
• Cottons
• Delicates
• Easy Care
• Knits
• Polyester
• Silks (Washable)
SPECIAL CYCLES
• Blankets (Cotton)
• Blankets (Other)
• Comforter
• Energy-Plus
• Handwash Woolite® HE
• Hosiery/Bras
• Pet Bedding (Washable)
• Quick Wash
• Rinse and Spin
• Sheets
• Sneakers
• Spin Only
• Super Clean
• Throw Rugs (Washable)
• Towels
• Washable Wools
Then there are 4 soil levels, 5 temperatures, 4 agitation selections, extra rinse, presoak for up to 8 hours with or without additives and extended spin.
And 81 stain selections...
COLOR CYCLES
• Bright/Dark Colors
• Light Colors
• Mixed Colors
• New Colors
• Whites
GARMENT CYCLES
• Athletic Wear
• Blouses
• Delicates
• Dress Shirts
• Easy Care
• Everyday Wear/Casual
• Jackets/Coats
• Jeans
• Khakis
• Knits
• Lingerie
• Mixed Garments
• Play Clothes
• Sweaters
• Swimwear
• Underwear
• Silks (Washable)
FABRIC CYCLES
• Blends
• Cottons
• Delicates
• Easy Care
• Knits
• Polyester
• Silks (Washable)
SPECIAL CYCLES
• Blankets (Cotton)
• Blankets (Other)
• Comforter
• Energy-Plus
• Handwash Woolite® HE
• Hosiery/Bras
• Pet Bedding (Washable)
• Quick Wash
• Rinse and Spin
• Sheets
• Sneakers
• Spin Only
• Super Clean
• Throw Rugs (Washable)
• Towels
• Washable Wools
Then there are 4 soil levels, 5 temperatures, 4 agitation selections, extra rinse, presoak for up to 8 hours with or without additives and extended spin.
And 81 stain selections...
hoovermatic
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Dumbing down...
.....that is all I can think all these programmes are in aid of. What happened to sorting the wash load and using ones brain to choose the appropriate programme and options? It seems that having all these different cycles is just encouraging people to do smaller loads and more of them. As for the large capacity machines, I have seen countless videos on YouTube where the machines are barely half full. Where is the saving in that??
.....that is all I can think all these programmes are in aid of. What happened to sorting the wash load and using ones brain to choose the appropriate programme and options? It seems that having all these different cycles is just encouraging people to do smaller loads and more of them. As for the large capacity machines, I have seen countless videos on YouTube where the machines are barely half full. Where is the saving in that??
ronhic
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It is weird....
....I can't think for the life of me why anyone needs that many cycle selections...
On the subject of smaller loads....well I was always taught NOT to push the capacity of the machine when loading. Mum has always said that 'if you run it with a slightly smaller rather than larger load, it will clean better and LAST. It's always better to split a load rather than force it'...
I can't fault the logic of someone who gets 20yrs out of her machines.
Years ago that held true and, to some degree I think it does now. The only difference is that I think the high spin speeds and possibly weaker bearings/motors cause more problems....
....I can't think for the life of me why anyone needs that many cycle selections...
On the subject of smaller loads....well I was always taught NOT to push the capacity of the machine when loading. Mum has always said that 'if you run it with a slightly smaller rather than larger load, it will clean better and LAST. It's always better to split a load rather than force it'...
I can't fault the logic of someone who gets 20yrs out of her machines.
Years ago that held true and, to some degree I think it does now. The only difference is that I think the high spin speeds and possibly weaker bearings/motors cause more problems....
Why the hell would you want a drum that size?. It just encourages overloading!.
In order to wash clothes properly the clothes need water to agitate freeley within the fibres of the clothes.
When you are stuffing your double douvet in the 12KG drum that aint going to happen!.
In order to wash clothes properly the clothes need water to agitate freeley within the fibres of the clothes.
When you are stuffing your double douvet in the 12KG drum that aint going to happen!.
washboy2005
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FWIW I can wash double and kingsized duvets in my 7kg Hotpoint with no problems at all. Having the 7kg drum has only one advantage and that is that I can do the bigger duvets at home. Otherwise it is of no use to me. I usually have to wait a week sometimes longer to get a full load of whites for the machine. I hate it when I have dirty washing sat in the laundry bins smelling and going musty.
I've often contemplated getting a smaller capacity machine e.g. 5kg. For normal everyday use and keep the Hotpoint in the garage for special loads like duvets. Just pull it into the utility and swap the machines over. Simple!
Just waiting on the funds to be able to buy a machine! Am keeping my eyes peeled on eBay for something nice. Especially now I can go collect cos I passed my driving test yesterday!!!
Sorry had to get that in =P . Im just so happy I finally got through it
.
Dan x
I've often contemplated getting a smaller capacity machine e.g. 5kg. For normal everyday use and keep the Hotpoint in the garage for special loads like duvets. Just pull it into the utility and swap the machines over. Simple!
Just waiting on the funds to be able to buy a machine! Am keeping my eyes peeled on eBay for something nice. Especially now I can go collect cos I passed my driving test yesterday!!!
Sorry had to get that in =P . Im just so happy I finally got through it
.Dan x
deeprinser
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LG -£900 ! Lol...
Best spent on a Miele.
Best spent on a Miele.
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