phillymatt53
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A fee to dump recycleable stuff?
Greed lurks everywhere.
NYT on Induction Cooking
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Greed lurks everywhere.
vacerator
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No fee at Best buy to drop off electronics for recycling Dadoes. Many municipalities also designate a day for it.
Yes, the sky is falling... I noticed my increased tendency toward athsma the very day I hooked up my propane tank to the stove. I live on a small cul-de-sac that the developer chose not to supply with mains gas, and it'd be a horrific expense to run it now. Given that I'm in Phoenix, we don't really need it for heat, and I have a heat pump water heater.
The utter nonsense of politicians trying to ban gas stoves because inner city kids who spend nearly their entire lives inside high rises have athsma more than those of us who grew up in the country, and were able to get outside and get dirt under our nails is, well, nonsense. Let's quit allowing these morons to dictate every aspect of how we'll live our lives.
I will add, that years ago in a similar non-gas home that had a 40 year old Kenmore solid disc downdraft cooktop with one working burner, I purchased an induction hot plate. When we run out of propane, I'm quite happy to pull it out of the cabinet and plug it in, it does exactly as others have written above... I suspect this will be the direction society follows down the road, but I refuse to be shoved into it by a damn politician...
The utter nonsense of politicians trying to ban gas stoves because inner city kids who spend nearly their entire lives inside high rises have athsma more than those of us who grew up in the country, and were able to get outside and get dirt under our nails is, well, nonsense. Let's quit allowing these morons to dictate every aspect of how we'll live our lives.
I will add, that years ago in a similar non-gas home that had a 40 year old Kenmore solid disc downdraft cooktop with one working burner, I purchased an induction hot plate. When we run out of propane, I'm quite happy to pull it out of the cabinet and plug it in, it does exactly as others have written above... I suspect this will be the direction society follows down the road, but I refuse to be shoved into it by a damn politician...
Bwahaha... "deflection circuit"... I much prefer the black boxes we have nowadays, no annoying 30hz hum from the vertical circuit, no pincushion or purity to deal with... no possiblity of a 25kV arc when the flyback cooks out all the wax! Ooh, that smell! But at least you could fix one when it quit.
phillymatt53
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Banning gas stoves is counterproductive to the income revenue to the gas companies, and would likely result in gas companies voting against such banning.
Plus, consumers would get into the act as well, since some prefer gas, over electric.
Bottom line, it would be a stupid move to attempt.
But then again, a lot of legislation is stupid.
vacerator
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Most serious and professional cooks prefer gas burners for precise heat control. Induction is good for that too, but they mainly use one or two for quick heating and limited tasks. You can't flambei' a sauce without a flame.
Maybe it's just my lizard brain, but a lot of the jabbering about kids getting sick because of a damn gas stove is nothing but ignorant blather. Yes, if the thing is misadjusted and spewing fumes, or has a leak, maybe so... I believe it's the fact that they don't spend enough time outside, breathing cleaner air and getting exposed to pollen, germs, etc. That's how we grow an immune system... We're born with very little of that, and need to be exposed to the world to live a healthy long life.
We're doing the environment a major service by burning the naturally occuring gas, in it's unburnt state it's a far worse greenhouse gas than CO2, if you're concerned about that. I don't understand why landfills are required to collect and burn off methane without running a generator with it. They pull 3 phase power from the grid to run vacuum pumps to collect the gas, when they should run a generator and at least be self-sustaining.
We're doing the environment a major service by burning the naturally occuring gas, in it's unburnt state it's a far worse greenhouse gas than CO2, if you're concerned about that. I don't understand why landfills are required to collect and burn off methane without running a generator with it. They pull 3 phase power from the grid to run vacuum pumps to collect the gas, when they should run a generator and at least be self-sustaining.
Take my gas stove over my dead body, get outta my kitchen! Those idiots in NJ & NY tried to get them banned, petitioned the EPA to make them illegal... that went over like the proveriable turd in a punch bowl, didn't it?
phillymatt53
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Your lizard brain is just fine, no need to worry about it.
As for the human immune system, I agree that it's healthy to "excersize" it in order for it to strengthen itself.
Living in a bubble isn't good for the immune system.
And isn't CO2 what the plants and trees need in order to thrive and generate the air be breathe?
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vacerator
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Co2 yes, and any type of fuel off gas produces it, wether it is to make heat or electricity. Too much of anything isn't good though. The argument for electric over fossil fuels or the internal combustion engine is this; It's incremental. One vehicle with one or two passengers or one household doesn't pollution save, or waste much. It's with mass multiplying which does. The higher the population, the more of those are. It requires less energy to power a bus, plane, or train when the increments are divided vs. private vehicles. A combustion engine has at least two cycles, most have four. Those require energy. A revolution is needed to rotate the flywheel, A second rotation to rotate the clutch, transmission torque converter, and more for the various gears. Then even another to get that to the wheels. Braking also uses energy. An electric vehicle has the motor/s directly coupled to the wheels. One revolution per rotation. Therein is the savings. That said, use and drive whatever you choose. We also choose to recycle. It's enough having new higher density housing being built with a mile, we don't want a landfill too.
The argument should be exactly how much pollution is created by our collective lifestyle, and how bad is the real damage to the environment. No politics, no fake science for the sake of government control -grants written to get the money, that give results the grantor was looking for no matter the truth. No lying billionaires trying to get you and I to sit at home eating soylent green instead of tasty cows while they flit about the globe in their private jets dining on wagu. Recycling is a great means of reducing our effects, but in the case of glass and plastic, doesn't actually save much energy or emissions. I think it should be done even if the only benefit is reducing landfill waste... Plastic is a tough dog, because it's embedded in nearly everything we produce, and various polymers need sorted and processed differently.
I found a pic online some years ago, "Ilan Samson's Problem", which compared the total emissions of all the vehicles worldwide upon the earth's atmosphere, to 10x10x20 room, asking how many matches one would need to light in that room over a year, to produce an equivalent (scaled) contamination. No answer, not even a reference online to the question any more, it's been expunged from the internet as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure the answer was a single match, but the dude passed away a year or so ago, and there's no way to force Google to cough up that data now... The AI answer misunderstands the question, trying to calculate how many matches would equal the year's emission concentrated in the room.
I found a pic online some years ago, "Ilan Samson's Problem", which compared the total emissions of all the vehicles worldwide upon the earth's atmosphere, to 10x10x20 room, asking how many matches one would need to light in that room over a year, to produce an equivalent (scaled) contamination. No answer, not even a reference online to the question any more, it's been expunged from the internet as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure the answer was a single match, but the dude passed away a year or so ago, and there's no way to force Google to cough up that data now... The AI answer misunderstands the question, trying to calculate how many matches would equal the year's emission concentrated in the room.
phillymatt53
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This air polution stuff was originated decades ago, and has slowly increased in intensity into what we hear about today.
By intensity, I mean public awareness, propoganda, social mandates, etc.
Because that type of constant and repeated information, warnings, etc., conditions society and its beliefs - results in gaining investers revenue.
Virtually everything these days has some sort of subliminal messages to create fear in people.
Because mentioning fear is a powerful tool, used to manipulate people.
Drinking tap water - was negatively promoted as not healthy, a "fear".... so.... the "bottled water" craze became wildly popular.
You're led to believe in it, even though studies have been done to prove it's not any healthier than tap water, and sometimes contains the same thing.
You really don't know for certain what's in those bottles.....
Oh, and the bottles - now being used in another "fear campaign" about plastics, the envronmental monster ruining the planet.
See?.... it never ends!
They promote one thing, and then tell you it's bad, if not for your own health, it's the planet's health.
It's enough to make a person nuts.
That old saying "There must be something in the water" is a valid statement here.
Society's been manipulated for centuries, but you wouldn't realize it.
If you avoid getting onto that endless "merry go round", ignore the "fear factor" propaganda, you might just live a happier life.
Combustion fumes from gas stoves are the cause for my worst asthma attacks. That tells me enough about how bad for your health that stuff is.
vacerator
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Anyone recall Los Angeles California smog before 1975? Anyone? There's your answer.
On Labor Day weekend of 1971 I went to San Diego, Calif.with my then boyfriend Art to visit his sister and bro in law. They drove us to the border to go to Tijuana, Mexico. We rode in their Datsun 240 with Art and I riding in the back of the hatchback with the lid partially open as we held on to it. I’m a Native Californian from the San Francisco Bay Area. Let me tell you I’ve never before or since seen smog like what we experienced that day! The air was literally BROWN with pollution and it burned our eyes and our lungs as we breathed it.
Anyone that denies the impact of hydro carbon pollution and Climate Change is not in touch with reality. We can do better. We HAVE been doing better until this past year, and we need to get back on the right track if we are to save the Earth from eventual destruction all due to the selfishness of mankind and denial because it doesn’t fit in conveniently with our wants and desires.
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Anyone that denies the impact of hydro carbon pollution and Climate Change is not in touch with reality. We can do better. We HAVE been doing better until this past year, and we need to get back on the right track if we are to save the Earth from eventual destruction all due to the selfishness of mankind and denial because it doesn’t fit in conveniently with our wants and desires.
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I'll never try to argue that humans aren't basically pigs... we trash almost everything we touch. I will say that the EPA, like every other government agency is a living organism, bent upon living and growing. What started out as a necessary effort to curb our collective impact on the environment has turned into a 7 headed monster with a mission to eliminate all sources of pollution, no matter how small. Every few years, the demands get tighter and tighter, the perception seems to be that we must get to zero impact no matter the financial or human cost. It'll never happen until we exterminate ourselves... We used R12 in untold millions of refrigeration systems, the vast majority of which has entered the atmosphere. It was used as a propellant in everything from paint to hair spray. That needed to stop, and it has. We now use refrigerants that have a miniscule impact on ozone, but we're starting to use hydrocarbons that are said to contribute to the greenhouse effect, and are flammable if they leak. Every few years, the regulations tighten and a new crop of patented, ever more expensive refrigerants are specified. More expensive tooling... for what? Have you heard a single word in the media about the ozone hole in the last five years? As it turned out, it's pretty much healed, and the theory is that it has always been subject to annual changes... might not ever have been a problem. And yet we march onward demanding more every year.
One thing I know, we as a group are helping. Keeping an existing appliance, car, or building in use is far better than replacing it with new. Yes, some efficiency gains are often there, but the impact of manufacturing, shipping, selling, delivering new is far greater. (your new fridge or front loader might cost less to run, but that will never, ever repay the purchase price! It's like spending $35,000 on a new car to save $15 a month on gas.) This seems to be lost on the EPA, EU and other government agencies.
One thing I know, we as a group are helping. Keeping an existing appliance, car, or building in use is far better than replacing it with new. Yes, some efficiency gains are often there, but the impact of manufacturing, shipping, selling, delivering new is far greater. (your new fridge or front loader might cost less to run, but that will never, ever repay the purchase price! It's like spending $35,000 on a new car to save $15 a month on gas.) This seems to be lost on the EPA, EU and other government agencies.
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phillymatt53
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I have to agree that a lot of humans are slobs, and always have been a part of society.
Careless in their ways, ignorant of the consequences of their actions.
One day, I was standing in front of my bank, on the avenue, waiting for the bus to go to work.
A heavyset black woman was walking along, munching on a bag of potato chips.
She finished the chips, and tossed the empty bag on the ground and kept walking.
Here's the kicker.....
Right in front of the bank just a few feet from where she was walking was a pair of trash receptacles, those "Big Belly" solar-powered automated things that compact the trash.
They cost the city/taxpayers a lot of money to install around the city.
God forbid!.... it was just too hard for the wench to open the trash machine's door and toss in her trash!
vacerator
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Oh, I also know many who died of cancer from working in factories like Carboloy when owned by GE making carbon/brass/nickel/etc. compound machine cutting bits. Seiko tools of Sweden bought it, then closed it. Then it became an EPA Superfund cleanup site. A solar powered trash compacting bin isn't toxic at least. So I don't fret over the communion of the -panic'(s) in society.
When my Aunt Louise was 17 to 21 years old worked at the Kaiser Shipyard in Richmond, Calif. during WWII building Victory Ships. When she was in her late 60’s she was diagnosed with Mesothelioma from her exposure the Asbestos while working in the shipyard building Victory Ships. She died a long and agonizing death after over 5 years of suffering at age 71.
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