Out of the Closet.....No Not yet

[xyz]

Well I wasn't trying to open pandoras box with you guys. So come on here. The Bible does in fact say that homosexuality is an abomination unto God. Isn't that easy enough to understand? It is easy enough for me to understand. I don't twist my beliefs around to fit my lifestyle. I may be wrong but I really think that some of you here do just that to justify your immorality. I am not in any way judging who you sleep with or marry. You are your own person and have the sense to do what you please. God gave us humans the choice between doing right or doing wrong and He also gave us a rulebook explaining the rights and wrong that He holds us to. It is your own choice to listen to Him or not. I can't make you listen to Him. I also will not cram any of my beliefs down your throats, only will I express myself and my opinions much as you have on your posts here. If you find no wrong in homosexuality, then hey, go for it. Find out for yourself one of these days that it is wrong. I don't ever say that HIV & AIDS is a homo disease because it isn't. It is a social disease and most cases are spread by drug addicts and stupid ass people who don't practice safe sex no matter who that sex is being had with. I do love the fact that I am HIV negative and so is my wife and that I can sit in my living room with her and know that she and only she is my sex partner and our marriage has been condoned by GOD, not the freaking state government or federal government. And she and I can rest easy when we are away from each other that we aren't sharing our bodies with friends or strangers just because our hormones kick in at any given time and place. She respects me as I respect her and we would never dream of such garbage in our Holy union. If it is any consolation to any of you guys and gals here, my wife was raped at the age of nine, molested by her biological father at 15 and molested/raped at the age of 16 by one of his buddies. I protect my wife to the fullest and sometimes it is a giant job keeping her mind in order when she begins to obsess about her past. She is 34 now and still has nightmares about that day when she was nine and raped. I feel that what brought the two of us together was we both shared the same morals and I'm very passionate about morality. Maybe your definition of morality is much different than mine but that's you. As for as for me and mine, we will obey God's orders that He set forth in the Bible. Not orders set forth on the internet. All I have to say in closing is , go ahead and do as you may, I will not judge you, just remember that I will care for you no matter what lifestyle you choose. If my family judged me then I would be a drug addict out on the street if I were lucky enough to still be alive. Yes, they stood by me through serious drug addiction and alcoholism and I thank them for not judging me and turning their backs on me in my time of need. So please don't judge me for my beliefs just because I may disagree with you. Thanks for listening.

 

[jeffg]

> If it is any consolation to any of you guys and gals here, my wife was raped at the age of nine, molested by her biological father at 15 and molested/raped at the age of 16 by one of his buddies. <

Good grief. Why would this be "any consolation" to anyone?

Dear Jesus, protect me from your followers.

 

[xyz]

Jeff, I said that if it was any consolation to anyone was to maybe shed some light upon why I feel so passionate about immorality. I guess that until your family goes through such a crisis, then your stupid ass won't understand.

 

[xyz]

And if this here is any consolation, I didn't come to this site to argue with people who are here for that reason only. I come here to discuss and learn about my trade. If homosexuality is your main interest then I'm pretty damn sure the internet is full of sites for you to visit. Start with google and ye shall be directed to such directly.

 

[jeffg]

What's immoral about homosexuality? Keep pointing to your Bible, and like most other "christians", avoid answering that question honestly.

And in the meantime, keep your mythology out of our civil laws.

 

[panthera]

There is only one person

here who decides what may and may not be discussed on this site. The site's owner, Unimatic1140.
It is not up to anyone else to tell folks what they may or may not talk about here.
If you, xyz, don't like such threads, don't post on them.
You will no doubt find that we do share many common interests, but telling us what we shall or shall not do here is not appropriate.
I have had quite enough of christianists this week, thank you. Despite your best efforts, this is not Nazi Germany and lasvegasrox enjoys full human rights here.

 

[toggleswitch2]

XYZ- Marty is it?

I wanted to acknowledge your pain and your wife's. I wanted to acknowledge with hearfelt sincerity the good that you have done for another human being whose spirit is otherwise crushed. And not to be a pig, but just you two being able to have a physical life after all she has been through shows me your love and patience and kindness and understanding. You too have been through a great deal in resolving your issues and eviciting your demons.

Love and peace and forgiveness are the only thing that matters. And I do hope we all (on this site) do that for and to each other.

May peace reign eternal
May health follow us all
May kindness flow
May healing continue at unprecedentedd levels and may we all find comfort in joy in all the beauty that surrounds us.

AMEN

 

[revvinkevin]

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[jetcone]

Marty

Maybe this will help your understanding of our position since you have not lived through being gay in a "straight" world.

God is Love.
God does not make junk.
I and my gay brothers and sisters are not and never were junk.

And as for abominations in the Bible there are many as Toggles has shown and if you are going to take the Bible Literally THEN they all carry the SAME WEIGHT so YOU CAN'T ever select one as worse than any other.

And in turn you cannot select any one over any other to apply to a human condition.

The great use of the Bible to mankind is that it is a store house of human experience and truth. The Bible is a tool and should be used as a tool for life but it is VERY important to know that the Bible was never and will never be finished.

And that is because God is Infinite.

To limit the Bible is to limit God and that I can tell you is a REAL Abomination to God and Creation.

People at the COngregational Church around the corner here say "God is Still Speaking, "

So one can never learn it all by just reading the Bible.

Peter Gomes, the Dean of Theology at Harvard wrote a very good book on this very subject, its called 'The Good Book' and it was designed to snatch back the Bible for everyone from the hands of the Fundamentalists.
COnsidering the issues you raise I think you might find it a good read.

But as JeffG says we as gays will no longer tolerate injustice or discrimination in culture or law from any segment of society.

Silence=Death

 

[xyz]

To all posters here, especially TOGGLE, I thank toggle for the understanding of the demons my wife and I have overcome through God and Jesus' love. I just wish that everyone could expierience that same magical feeling when God heals one's heart of such agony that one contemplates suicide as the final resort as relief from the pain caused by others in their lives. And when that pain is taken away by Him, it is such a feeling of having those chains of addiction, hatred, resentment, anger etc, the list goes on. I do not go to church, as from my posts, some may think I'm there everytime the doors open. Nope, I'm not. The Bible says that when two are in agreeance and worship, then Jesus says He will be there so my wife and I are very content in our worship together right in our home. I don't beleieve in all the psychology that has crept into the church nowadays. No man can heal another man, only God can truly heal. But a Dr. does heal people but God works through that Dr.'s hands to heal his patient.
I'm sorry if you and I are not on the same page when it comes to homosexuality. Am I not afforded the right to consider such behaviour wrong? Just as you are afforded the right to see no wrong in it? I would never actually go as far to tell a memeber to leave this site for another destination to talk about sexuality. It may have sounded that way but mean't that way. I guess that in my life I have witnessed so much immorality and have dealt with some of the sleaziest people imaginable while in my addiction to drugs (one does have to deal with the bottom layer of society in order to feed their addiction) that I developed such a disgust towards people that lived on the fringes of society. I am disgusted by drug addicts because I have freinds who won't live long lives because of Hepatitis C from sharing needles. I have buddies whom I've lost to Methamphetamine and cocaine addictions. I lost a buddy just 2 days ago to cancer that was caused most likely from the breathing of harmful vapors in his stupid ass meth lab. I know that none of this has anything to do with homosexuality but I really don't think that it hurts anything to share exactly where you have come from if you have the guts to tell others the exact nature of your wrongs in hopes of maybe helping another person from going down the same road that I chose to go down. Let me tell you, I wiped out in curve #7 on that road, it was a doozy. Almost didn't make it out alive. God bless you all.