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Ok My friend "john" came out to me in school and said he was bi and i kinda was shocked but then i also suspected it...any woo i was asking questions on like When did you know?"like since freshman year" he,said ...Who do you think is cute? and then i said are you going to come out to anyone else and he said NO and i was all like Why not? And he said i just cant come out to anyone else but Me not even his parents even after i said that... Im sure they would be cool with it u know and he still said No....So i was wondering if you had any ideas of what i could o to help him come out. :P
 
Door is closed.....but not tightly!

I,m bi too, but much older. Are you out? He probably feels comfortable enough with you to tell you. It's such a GIANT step
to tell you! Here's some advice. Be his friend first, keep it to yourself and when he's really comfortable with it, he'll do it in his own way. If you out him, there goes your friendship, even though you might think it's the right thing to do. It's trust.
Peace, Jerry
 
That's right

You should feel privileged that he is confiding in you. So don't abuse his trust and impose your views and opinions on his life. You choose who you want to come out to. Let him choose for himself. Telling you something in 'confidence' means you keep it to yourself - otherwise you're a tattle tale and nobody likes those.
 
Good advice

I think the best thing you can do is to let him take the initiative, especially since I have the feeling that by 'freshman' you mean high-school, not college.
Keeping your word to him is helping him in a very real way - having people you can trust as friends is one of the most important things for everybody.
Of course, very few people are really 'bi'. Nearly all of us are either gay or straight. If he is truly that rarest of all people, genuinely bi-sexual, then he is going to need true friends even more than gays do. There is little trust in either world - gay or straight - for entering serious relationships with bi-s. Having friends who accept him for who he is is the best thing which can happen to him.
 
I agree with the above poster. One is either gay or straight, no in-betweens. I am straight but have met a few really pretty girls in my time that told me they were bi, I said bye to them rather quickly. I'm not possesive, but would really be afraid to share my girlfriend with another girl. Would'nt happen, case closed. I think people , straight or gay, should have one sex partner ans that's it. If you have many then you are immoral in the worst way much less running the rish of STD'S.
 
I am very surprised by your comment panthera

From where I am watching I have found that sexuality is about as black and white as the throng of humanity. There are a lot of inbetweens, especially so since 90% of sex occurs in the brain. I know lots of guys who used to fool around with guys, but ended up in exclusively heterosexual relationships. Sex and love and the need to breed are all as closely connected as they are quite exclusive and separate. People are very much capable of loving more than one person and being honorable in multiple relationships. As human beings we are very much capable of being more than only one of two things, and where does it say that having multiple sex partners is immoral?

I think being sexually ignorant and narrowminded and imposing that ignorance on others is immoral. How can good quality, consensual sex with many really nice and wonderfully sexy people be immoral? All I know is that it is incredibly fun, satisfying and makes for great relationships if done honestly, responsibly and maturely. Of course, one should always play it as safely as possible, but again, that comes down to being responsible.
 
Rapunzel,

I knew there was a danger of not being clear in responding, so I do appreciate your not shooting back with an elephant gun.
May I address the topics involved here (from my perspective) separately? Perhaps then, I can express myself a bit better.

The most important thing here is friendship - I truly believe that when a 14 or 15 year old is working through their thoughts and feelings on their sexuality, it is important for their friends to be just that - friends. And that is what I was trying to communicate here. Part of being a friend is accepting confidentialities and keeping them secret. Sure, you want to help...but anyone who was ever that young knows that betrayal at that age, regardless of motives, does permanent damage.

On the second topic, I confess that, when confronted with hard statistical evidence and speculation based on the soft/social sciences such as the Kinsey scale of sexuality, I shall always come down on the hard sciences side. There is no proof that true male bi-sexuality does not exist, but there is a great deal of independently repeated research to suggest that at a very fundamental level, men tend to be either straight or gay. The guys who have sex with both male and female partners are not lying, obviously...but their body's arousal patterns when tested objectively fall clearly in the 'gay' range.

After decades of living in San Francisco, NYC, Berlin and Munich, Germany I have experienced life in places where it is OK to be gay and there is no artificial or social constraint to be 'questioning' or bi-sexual. In these places, there are just not that many bi-sexual men relative to the number of gay and heterosexual men.

I, too, know of men who have had sex partners of both genders and ultimately settled into relationships (monogamous and open) with one person. I would be lying through my teeth to pretend that the majority of gay men feel comfortable or trusting enough to enter a committed relationship with a bi-sexual man. Please note, I am not equating bi- with automatically incapable of building a stable, true relationship.

Finally, it seems to me just as judgmental to condemn those of us who are monogamous as it is to condemn those who prefer multiple sex partners. When I was single in the past, I enjoyed myself with many guys. But there is a minority of men, to which I belong, who are happiest in a committed, true, monogamous (all three terms are not synonyms of or too each other) relationship and I do rather get tired of being told that means I am somehow casting aspersions on those who aren't happiest that way. Worse (and I don't mean you, Rapunzel) are the ones who insist I am somehow repressing myself because I don't share their desires. Sex is a wonderful aspect of life and I do not pass any moral judgment on people who choose other sexual lifestyles than mine. I know of sexually open, committed relationships, and I am unfortunately old enough to have seen many committed partners in sexually open relationships uphold the 'true' aspect of their loving relationship when first caring for and then burying their partners who had died of Aids (when the mother fcucking christianists let them. I know several men who weren't even permitted to attend their own partner's funeral, forbidden by the blood-family. If the seventh ring of hell is reserved for people who torture kittens, then I truly hope such monsters end in the eighth.) Given that I came of age post-sexual revolution and pre-Aids, believe me - my discovery that monogamy suits me best is personal and does not mean I discount other relationships. Absolutely not.
As for my statement that 'open relationship' for many men means they get to fcuk like bunnies, but their partners are expected to behave like their own personal property, well I will stand by that. I have never met who said "let me introduce you to my partner, he'd love to have sex with you, I just know it!" I have, tho', met quite a few who wanted to have lots of sex with other partners, but were jealous beyond belief when another man even looked at their partner.
 
IMO trying to slap labels on human sexuality is like trying to nail down the wind. While it's true the word "bisexual" just serves as a halfway house on the road to "gay" for many guys, I think Rapunzel nailed it: very few human beings fall neatly into any of these artificial categories.

When I met my first long-term partner, he had been recently divorced from an 8-year marriage and was still very much in love with his ex-wife (his sexual fantasies usually involved her), and in another case, my partner of 4 1/2 years was separated but still married (with kids) during our relationship. In a third case, the closest friend I ever had (we were literally inseperable during high school, college and for several years after), also the "straightest" guy I've ever known, one night confided that he sometimes fantasized about me sexually, and being the true friend I was, I accomodated his fantasy. It wound up straining our friendship, because he really was heterosexual on a basic level, and I wasn't, but judging from the experience I think it was the most satisfying sex either of us had ever had.

This opinion probably isn't popular, but I believe the "coming out" thing usually does a disservice to gay people, and only serves to stuff them into yet another artifical box. Sexual orientation is just one part of a person's personality, and in retrospect, the most helpful and profound response of family and friends to my own realization was "So what?".
 
I am not Immoral!!!!!!!!!!!

Immoral? That may suit you xyz but saying it is immoral to have more than one sex partner is pushing it abit! We lead our own lives thanks. Humans have needs and we can love multiple people and enjoy many different experiences in the short time we are here. just stay safe and have a ball!

Anyway Lasvegasrox, you should just continue to support your freind in watever way he needs. If he wants to come out in his own time thats fine but he may never want to. Just be a good freind and be there for him and enjoy your special freindship.

Steve
 
~This opinion probably isn't popular, but I believe the "coming out" thing usually does a disservice to gay people.

I agree. Do what you have to do, quietly. If one is truly bisexual then one does not want parents to know that there may (or may not) be hope to fulfill their dreams of being grandparents. It also makes it harder to avoid snickers at your wedding when the the guests know you've bottomed with the best man, and many other decent ones in the room as well.

A friend of mine announced his homoseuality at a Thanksgiving dinner. (The mother was in therapy for years for that little extravaganza). Of course, he sending out wedding invitations a few years later didn't really help the mother or other relatives either.

Of course keeping one's trap shut also helps when bi-sexuals (or closet homosexuals) rush to get married (to a female) then cheat on the wife with men.

I'm, not judging, but I have learned the hard way, the less said the better. Even if you are caught in bed with someone, of an unexpected gender one simpy says "Sorry you had to see that, it was my first time". Then again it is my understanding that women use this line all the time. "Oh honey you weren't the first, there was only one (football team, truckload full, group of 10 sailors, etc) before you....."

Much luck to those exploring their sexuality. Remember

"No glove, no love"
"On me not in me"
"Anyone who wants to avoid a condom gets avoided."
and just like when painting a good work of art. "When in doubt, leave it out."
Hs is not "to die for" he is "to live for".

I urge all to read about safer sex guidlines through all kinds of web resources like GMHC (Gay Mens'Health Crisis).
 
COMING OUT..........

Coming out is not for everyone. But for most or many, myself included, it is generally a "great weight off the shoulders" experience… coming to terms with who you are and how you fit into society's expectation of what you are supposed to be. And depending on the dynamic of one's family and their religious beliefs, it can also be a challenging or difficult experience as well.

For me coming out was something I needed to do, to be honest to myself and my family. It was an extremely difficult for me to gather enough courage to have "the conversation" with my mother, but I managed to do so. After I uttered the words she said "I've known for a long time…" then corrected herself by saying "… I have suspected for a long time…. But I still love you anyway." That was HUGE and exactly what I needed to hear! Fortunately, all of my family, with the exception of my brother who is a misguided religious zealot, accepts me completely as I am.

Just so you know, I am a very masculine and dare I say, butch man. I'm conservative and do NOT go around advertising "I'm gay", nor can you pick me out of a crowd and say "Yup, he's gay".

Coming out is different for everyone and is something they must do on their own terms. For me it was so I can be honest with my family, my friends and myself about who I am. I don’t have to try to come up with yet another excuse for why I am still not married (to a woman). For many years I used to try to hide that I'm gay, but now I don't care who knows.

To Lasvegasrox. I agree with Pulsator-power, Rapunzal & Panthera… be a trusted friend that "John" can confide in without fear of being outed. Having a close friend he can be open with is very important. In time he will come out to others as his comfort level builds… or maybe he won't, but that is his choice.

A couple questions for you Lasvegasrox. How do YOU feel about this? Are you OK with it after the initial shock? What are your thoughts?
 
The closet door is slammed shut, dead-bolted and the key thr

14 or so years ago I knew this guy and we had physical "fun" together but that was it (he had too many issues). He became my roommate (big mistake) and over time things went down hill and then ended poorly.

About 4 – 5 months ago (now in a different city) I took my car to the car-wash and in the waiting area was this guy who looked really familiar. Yes you guessed it, it was the same guy! I approached him, he recognized me immediately and we talked. After our cars were finished we ended up talking for over an hour and a half. Aside from apologizing for being such an ass 14 years ago, he told me he is now MARRIED with a 2 year old boy and another one due around Halloween. This was QUITE the surprise!!

Now this is NOT one of those "I was young and just experimenting, I am straight" things. He is a gay man… and the closet door is closed and locked SO TIGHT that he cannot ANY light around the edges! It's due to the beliefs of and pressure from his family, religion and society.

We have stayed in touch and he has admitted he still likes and much prefers sex with guys and when he is "busy" with his wife he is thinking of guys rather then her. He also said he had a "thing" with a guy while he was dating his wife that continued after they were married.
 
Must be the name

Kevin,
My parents are cool with my being gay, they like my partner an have clearly said they would welcome our marriage, should he so honor me.
But my brother and his family are christianists of the very nastiest sort.
At this point, I am well aware that with my parents death, that will be the absolute end of my family of blood relations. There will be a nasty court fight - the christianists have already laid claim to everything with the justification that I, as a gay man have no rights.
When we have to work together as a family to help my parents, they will let my parents suffer rather than work with me.
There are many reasons people in America have trouble coming out. The mother-fcuking christianists are one of the biggest.
Funny, you're mentioning being big and macho. Same here, but in my case it is doing butch drag.
We desperately need human rights in the US.
How any gay man can consider any other issue more important than achieving legal recognition as a human being is beyond me.
 
One could advise the parents of what is coming and see if they will appoint you or a neutral third part as executor to ensure your portion of any proceeds of their estate.

G-d dont' like ugly. When their world unravels...and it will... run for the hills, Mary, and do NOTHING for them.

My sister exluded me and my partner from her house for decades. Now that she has mellowed and softened, I will still one day make her pay for that.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
 
I will certainly respect somebody who doesn't want to come out of the closet. It has to be your own choice, somebody else can never decide that for you.

But... In order to get homosexuality accepted by society it is important that as many as possible gay people come out of the closet. The more gay people do so the easier the acceptance will be. Noone has the right to deny somebody else the right to be him- or herself. Therefor I really have to disagree with Toggles. Not the less said the better but the more said the better. Otherwise nobody will get used to give what comes to us.

Get it out in the open. It worked for me like nothing else!
 
Sorry to go "off topic" here...

Keven

It sounds like your parents are still around, yes? I am assuming they have a "will" rather then a trust. Are they willing to consider a change? If your parnets are in the US and they are willing to do so, may I suggest they change over to a LIVING TRUST if they do not already have one.

My understanding is when the time comes, a living trust is much easier to deal with and does not get drug through the court system.

I guess I should know what I am talking about before I open my mouth so it sounds like I actually know what I'm talking about! LOL

This link should help.......

 
Louis I think we agree more than you would believe.

If a person is newly discovering their sexuality or is bi/experimentative,it may not make sense to say too much too early.

When one is ready to deal with the ostracism, the prejudices, being disowned and having all financial assistance (whey you are still young) cut-off, then shout it out and shout it loud and shout it proud.
 
Kevin, Toggles,

thanks. I appreciate the good advice.

Here in Europe, parents who throw a child out of their home or try to disown them for being gay face social disapproval and very stiff laws. But then, here in Western Europe, we homosexuals have human status.
For a young person to come out in the US, unless their parents are accepting, can mean homelessness and complete, total, immediate loss of all support.
Studies show an enormous number of young people who are homeless and without hope are gay. Suicide among young gays in the US is enormously high.
I was never in the closet. Yes, I have paid for it, heavily. Bigots and christianist bastards are all over the place. I did and, at least regarding my sexuality do have the support of my parents. Physically, I am big enough that any asshole mother-fcuking christianist bastard who tries to get it on with me is going to pay for it, dearly.
Of course, the reaction of my brother and his family is a high price to pay...but I would never, ever hesitate. My love for my partner is good, wonderful, positive. Anyone who denies that is my blood enemy.
One of my hopes for Obama's presidency is that homosexuals in America will finally be granted human rights. America deserves better than the christianists who have held her Constitution in thrall the last eight years.
Far better.
 
When I started coming out at 23, I told friends first. I was terrified that my small family would take it badly. I thought if I had the support of my friends, any negativity from them would be less hurtful. For a few more years, I thought if I was dating someone that I would talk to my parents. Dating never really happened so I came out to my parents at 27. They both took it well and just want me to be happy. Thankfully, they have faith, but don't run around clutching their bibles.

It's important to those coming out to be supported and to be able to control who knows and when. Though coming out is a personal issue, I strongly feel that until we all come out and speak up for who we are, we won't ever get the equal treatment we deserve. It's also tragic to have the double lives and hurt women that end up being married to the closet homo.

Bi-sexuality probably does happen, but not at the frequency that CL personals or public parks may lead you to believe.
 

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