P&G Tide "Pods" Killing the Laundry Soap Industry?
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Persil recently launched its Mega Caps Duo after the original Caps with just one chamber. Them always seem to be on sale because, otherwise, they're just insanely expensive.
twinniefan
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Too expensive for me
I have tried Radiant and Surf pods and found they worked ok, but not really anything exceptional, I find the drawback is that they are simply too expensive to buy frequently.
The Omo pods tend to be around the $14 Aus dollar mark and sometimes you can get the Surf ones for $10 or so dollars, but they are not really good value for money as you get about 20 or so washes only from them.
So I won't be buying them any time soon.
Cheers.
Steve.
I have tried Radiant and Surf pods and found they worked ok, but not really anything exceptional, I find the drawback is that they are simply too expensive to buy frequently.
The Omo pods tend to be around the $14 Aus dollar mark and sometimes you can get the Surf ones for $10 or so dollars, but they are not really good value for money as you get about 20 or so washes only from them.
So I won't be buying them any time soon.
Cheers.
Steve.
kenmoreguy89
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Yes even here in Italy recently Henkel introduced those 2 chamber thing for it's Dixan (italian Persil)....... nobody buy them in my town, these things here does not like to the people.....
Purex Tablets
Yesterday, I decided to try one of the Purex tablets in the SQ FL. On the back of the box it said to use one for normal loads and to put it in the dispenser of HE machines. Due to the shape of the dispenser area, the tablet did not lie flat, but inspite of the force of the warm water and the amount, it did not dissolve completely so I had to finish smashing it manually and flush it in with some hot water. It did not oversuds, although it made more suds than Tide HE powder and it rinsed out well. The dosage was probably meant for more than a load of bedding. Probably half a tablet with the usual 2 Tbs of STPP wouild have been sufficient.
I noticed on the label for the Persil Duo Caps Color that it had a temperature range from 20-60C. I know that you would not wash colors in super hot water so my question is: Do they have liquid or gel formulas for whites and if so, would they state that the caps can be used up to 90C? I know that there is a trend away from high temperature washing, but was wondering if Persil had perfected a liquid or gel detergent that would not foam excessively at temperatures above 60C. Thanks.
Yesterday, I decided to try one of the Purex tablets in the SQ FL. On the back of the box it said to use one for normal loads and to put it in the dispenser of HE machines. Due to the shape of the dispenser area, the tablet did not lie flat, but inspite of the force of the warm water and the amount, it did not dissolve completely so I had to finish smashing it manually and flush it in with some hot water. It did not oversuds, although it made more suds than Tide HE powder and it rinsed out well. The dosage was probably meant for more than a load of bedding. Probably half a tablet with the usual 2 Tbs of STPP wouild have been sufficient.
I noticed on the label for the Persil Duo Caps Color that it had a temperature range from 20-60C. I know that you would not wash colors in super hot water so my question is: Do they have liquid or gel formulas for whites and if so, would they state that the caps can be used up to 90C? I know that there is a trend away from high temperature washing, but was wondering if Persil had perfected a liquid or gel detergent that would not foam excessively at temperatures above 60C. Thanks.
A trend from the 1960's
Salvo and Vim and later Wisk tabs all failed for these reasons:
After a while consumers were realizing several things
a) they were having to handle the detergent with their hands
b) laundry for anyone who does enough of it soon realized that laundry does not come in one size load, nor one level of filthy.
c) unit dosing means you are constantly making a mental calculation to add up your laundry to match the dose instead of having the convenience of washing what you need to wash when you need to. Laundry already is a nasty chore to most people , try adding the chore of thinking about it all week long to match your 'pod' , 'tablet', 'unidose'!
d) when I visited ChesterMike 5 years ago I brought a few boxes of Persil pods back with me- I found out a disturbing thing about the "water soluble plastic" they used, it even came with a warning on the box!!
At times ( which was every wash by the way) the plastic might not dissolve all the way so be sure to seperate the remainder from the load BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN THE DRYER! It also stated never to use PODS in a COMBINATION WASHER-DRYER because of this. Yet more work, picking through wet laundry!
So I tried it by overlooking the instructions!!, I got a real messs in my dryers and combos at the end- the plastic had first melted then hardened either to the drum or some piece of clothing and had to be picked off by hand, yet more work for the "laundry-master®"
A trend for the lazy. In addition I will admit ; I was a big fan of Wisk Tabs because they cleaned if you used hot water but the uni-dosing was a PIA when I wanted to wash a pair of jeans and a top to go out with! But I think the point made above was true, to get you hooked they boosted the cleaning power on the new product to generate buzz about it, once it caught then back to the regular formula levels to increase profit margins.
Remember their costs are set by the chemical producers so it doesn't matter what they make, liquid, powder, tab, pod the base costs drive pricing on all product forms across the market. You will pay more for "convenience" and in the end I think consumers are very price conscious and convenient conscious .
Salvo and Vim and later Wisk tabs all failed for these reasons:
After a while consumers were realizing several things
a) they were having to handle the detergent with their hands
b) laundry for anyone who does enough of it soon realized that laundry does not come in one size load, nor one level of filthy.
c) unit dosing means you are constantly making a mental calculation to add up your laundry to match the dose instead of having the convenience of washing what you need to wash when you need to. Laundry already is a nasty chore to most people , try adding the chore of thinking about it all week long to match your 'pod' , 'tablet', 'unidose'!
d) when I visited ChesterMike 5 years ago I brought a few boxes of Persil pods back with me- I found out a disturbing thing about the "water soluble plastic" they used, it even came with a warning on the box!!
At times ( which was every wash by the way) the plastic might not dissolve all the way so be sure to seperate the remainder from the load BEFORE YOU PUT IT IN THE DRYER! It also stated never to use PODS in a COMBINATION WASHER-DRYER because of this. Yet more work, picking through wet laundry!
So I tried it by overlooking the instructions!!, I got a real messs in my dryers and combos at the end- the plastic had first melted then hardened either to the drum or some piece of clothing and had to be picked off by hand, yet more work for the "laundry-master®"
A trend for the lazy. In addition I will admit ; I was a big fan of Wisk Tabs because they cleaned if you used hot water but the uni-dosing was a PIA when I wanted to wash a pair of jeans and a top to go out with! But I think the point made above was true, to get you hooked they boosted the cleaning power on the new product to generate buzz about it, once it caught then back to the regular formula levels to increase profit margins.
Remember their costs are set by the chemical producers so it doesn't matter what they make, liquid, powder, tab, pod the base costs drive pricing on all product forms across the market. You will pay more for "convenience" and in the end I think consumers are very price conscious and convenient conscious .
Henkel also has these Caps for whites but the box still says up to 60C. Actually, I can't think of a liquid that says ...90C on its bottle. I *think* it has to do with sudsing on boil washes or the fact that liquids don't have as effective water softeners as powders.
kenmoreguy89
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Actually there is/was the Dash liquid over here that says From 20°c to 95°c in the back above the measures indications, not sure if Ariel in Germany has the same.......also LIDL W5, Formil or Maxi trat says the same....
Henkel suff here does not mention anything nor do most of products.....liquids are good as powders to be used in boilwash, why would not be? It's just that most people that use liquids usually does not do "boil/hot" washes, .... so they sometimes does not state temps over 60°c for them, and never in color stuff....
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Henkel suff here does not mention anything nor do most of products.....liquids are good as powders to be used in boilwash, why would not be? It's just that most people that use liquids usually does not do "boil/hot" washes, .... so they sometimes does not state temps over 60°c for them, and never in color stuff....
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Actually the green "regular" version of Persil`s Mega-Caps, the new Duo-Caps and the current green bottled liquid all of them state 20°-95°.
Henkel`s colour detergents are 20°-60° only.
All German P&G liquids are recommended from 20° to 95°, the picture is taken from Ariel "Colour and Style"
Apart from the lack of or existence of dye transfer inhibitors or OBAs Persil (Henkel) colour and regular liquids appear to be the same formular. So I guess it is also safe to use Persil colour at very high temps. I`ve never had problems with excessive froth, but my water is pretty hard, too.
Henkel`s colour detergents are 20°-60° only.
All German P&G liquids are recommended from 20° to 95°, the picture is taken from Ariel "Colour and Style"
Apart from the lack of or existence of dye transfer inhibitors or OBAs Persil (Henkel) colour and regular liquids appear to be the same formular. So I guess it is also safe to use Persil colour at very high temps. I`ve never had problems with excessive froth, but my water is pretty hard, too.
Oh...and I can`t wait to give those Tide Pods a try, when available here.
They certainly do look intriguing to me !
They certainly do look intriguing to me !
Vim & Salvo
Mom regularly broke them in half for the Laundromat and liked the cleaning results, but then all of the detergents said to use half as much in a front loader and our clothing was not that dirty. There were free samples in the mail and coupons inside the samples, in the paper and in magazines plus the tablets were on sale all of the time in the stores so they were heavily marketed. I guess that P&G & Lever Bros. knew there were still a lot of front loader washers and combos in the early to mid 60s so the tablets had low sudsing formulas which probably helped sales. I wonder if detergent manufacturers consulted with washer makers about whether new detergents would be high, controlled or low sudsing.
Thanks for the answers about the liquid detergents and temperatures. The European liquids must be better behaved at high temps than liquids in the US.
Mom regularly broke them in half for the Laundromat and liked the cleaning results, but then all of the detergents said to use half as much in a front loader and our clothing was not that dirty. There were free samples in the mail and coupons inside the samples, in the paper and in magazines plus the tablets were on sale all of the time in the stores so they were heavily marketed. I guess that P&G & Lever Bros. knew there were still a lot of front loader washers and combos in the early to mid 60s so the tablets had low sudsing formulas which probably helped sales. I wonder if detergent manufacturers consulted with washer makers about whether new detergents would be high, controlled or low sudsing.
Thanks for the answers about the liquid detergents and temperatures. The European liquids must be better behaved at high temps than liquids in the US.
Ha! Who would have thought! Admittedly, I have never looked closely at liquid detergents for whites. Learn something new every day...
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Give Me....
....A biodegradable cardboard box full of powder whose dosage I can control down to the last grain of detergent, any day.
....A biodegradable cardboard box full of powder whose dosage I can control down to the last grain of detergent, any day.
danemodsandy
Well-known member
The Next Frontier:
I promise you, before this year is out, someone will introduce segmented pods that can be snapped apart into pieces to vary the dose.
Think of a pod with pie-shaped wedges, each wedge containing all three colors of goo.
It's coming, trust me.
I promise you, before this year is out, someone will introduce segmented pods that can be snapped apart into pieces to vary the dose.
Think of a pod with pie-shaped wedges, each wedge containing all three colors of goo.
It's coming, trust me.
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