Pan handling in a parking lot what do you do?

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If a person wants money then they need to work for it .

There have to be jobs in the first place. Low paying jobs are okay if they are easily accessible, but you can't reasonably expect a person to travel for hours for only a few bucks. What's the point going to work and spending more than half of your daily wages on fares, when you are only making a few bucks?

Globalization has transferred many low-skill jobs overseas. Where there were once plenty of opportunities for the least educated to make an honest living, there are now only handouts. The usual processes involved in getting a handout aren't empowering or sympathetic to individual's circumstances, but demeaning and undignified.

Then there are those people who should be kept out of the workforce. Not everyone is suitable to hold down employment and I'd rather have them get a fortnightly payment so they stay off the streets and don't impose on unsuspecting employers.

Whilst there are extremes at both ends of a given spectrum many situations fit somewhere inbetween. There is a lot of mental and other illness amongst the most destitute and they don't get help. Government programs designed to assist such people may be well intentioned, but are largely ineffective and cumbersome bureaucracies that usually line the pockets of paid stakeholders without effectively addressing the needs of those who really need help.

We are fortunate to live in wealthy countries where we have the capacity to act in a more civilized manner than many other places where Dickensian conditions still prevail. Every government scheme that makes money available will attract a certain number of mercenary and dishonest individuals. Though, when I hear people bitch about single mothers and other equally unfortunates draining the public purse, I can only shake my head in disbelief. The last couple of years have clearly demonstrated that it isn't the druggies, pan handlers and unmarried mothers who will waste our hard-earned money and drain the public purse. For that we have highly paid, 'reputable' and well-regarded professionals. It is easy to criticize and kick those around who are already powerless and have no means of defending themselves. Yet, time and again, we see ruthless and amoral individuals walk away from their actions, which hurt thousands of people, because they are well-connected and can afford expensive lawyers; and, worst of all, people seem to think that's okay.

This attitude of 'I'm doing alright, why aren't you' I find egocentric and indicative of a general disinterest in other folk's circumstances.

Hard work of itself is no guarantee for success. All of us who are doing well have to remember that it is a 50/50 split of making an effort and being in the right place at the right time (LUCK).

There is no equality and life doesn't play out on a level field. The vast majority of wealthy and successful people come from privileged backgrounds already and have all the necessary resources at their disposal to build on. Only the tiniest number of people will rise from relative poverty and obscurity to stellar hights. 90% of middle-class people live from paycheck to paycheck wiht no real economic security at all. Yet, the kind of (judgemental and uncharitable) attitudes that are reflected in many of the posts here emanate from this socio-economic group.

Please try to empathise and understand that evey bum on the street has a story. Many of them didn't start off like that, nor are they necessarily uneducated. They often have problems that can not be fixed via the 'one size fits all' approach that is formulated by people with little insight or genuine interest in their circumstances.

In my humble opinion the hallmark of a sophisticated civilization isn't defined by its economic and military prowess, technological advances or amazing architecture alone. The way people treat and care for each other is a far better indicator of sophistcation and progress. Access to resources and opportunities are a great determinant for that as well. Giving handouts and browbeating people from a great height isn't.

Jesus didn't hang around the Bill Gateses and Britney Spears of his time. He kept company with bums, lepers and prostitutes. All the types of people that respectable citizens wouldn't even urinate on if they were lying in a ditch. I may be an atheis, but I understand the underlying principles behind that.

Now, I am not writing this to brow-beat anyone. Everyone is entitled to interprete their own experiences and react to situations individually. Sometimes people don't react to an act of kindness in a way that would be seen as appropriate or reasonable. Other people's lives and the way they see the world can be so different to our own, that we are left scratching our heads in disbelief. Though, it is always good to remember that it could be us. The lives that we live are very fragile and we are only ever a hair's breadth away from destitution ourselves.

I take absolutely nothing for granted and appreciate every moment of the privileged and comfortable life that I am allowed to lead.

Regards

Olav
 
Once upon a time I had what could have been a very dangerous panhandling experience.

It was night - about 10 pm, as I recall. Quite dark. I had pulled up on my motorcycle at the ATM at my local bank. I had just finished withdrawing my money when this young guy came up with the usual sob story about how his car had run out of gas, could I spare him $5? I asked to see the car. He led me into an even darker parking lot. At the time I wasn't too scared because he wasn't much bigger than me, and I still had my full face helmet on, with a thick leather jacket, boots, etc. We came up to the car and I asked him to open it for me. He just stared at me, and gave some lame excuse I can't recall. I flatly told him no way, I wasn't going to fall for his lies, and left somewhat cautiously lest he have some partner waiting to bop me over the head. Oh, yeah, I had the helmet on, no problem! I got on my bike as quickly as possible and went on my way home.

In retrospect I guess I was foolish to follow this guy into the dark, but fortunately nothing bad happened. Part of my reluctance to give him anything was that I only had $20 bills from the ATM on me. And I wasn't about to give anyone $20 for a lame story.

As for understanding the plight of the poor. Hey, I've been there. I grew up there. I was chipping in to help the family get by at the age of 7. I have NEVER asked anyone for a handout. If I couldn't afford something, I did without. Paid all my bills, never skipped out on rent or a meal or a fare. People who can't manage the same have no sense of pride, in my opinion, and that's not my problem.
 
I do not hand out money either. Just don't. I did by a lady a slice of pizza once. She did not ask for it. It was obvious she was STARVING so I just purchased an extra slice with a drink and gave it to her.
 
I think where you have to be more cautious is where the person asking for the money is dressed ok and or giving you a story about needing money for gas etc. That should send up red flags..

Now with the ones who truly look down and out on the corner etc..again.. don't give them money because you're only enabling. Tell them where a shelter is to get food etc and like I said before give your money or a food donation to the shelter or foodbank and it goes a lot further and feeds more people and ensures that people who really need food get it and it won't be used for drugs or booze.
 
People who can't manage the same have no sense of pride

You are right, it isn't your problem, it is theirs. Yet, ask yourself why they dont' have a sense of pride. That has to come from somewhere as well and isn't related exclusively to socio-economic circumstances either. It also depends on a person's level of intelligence, how well they are able rationalize their circumstances, who they are and ability to solve problems. You may be blessed with a superior mind that has helped you through tough situations from an early age, others are not as fortunate.

A former workmate travelled home late at night and pulled up to what appeared to be an accident/medical emergency. This was along a quiet suburban street where a person was lying on the side of the road next to a car, with another one flagging down my mate. He didn't immediately get out of his car to render help, but wound down his window half way. He only got as far as asking the other guy what the problem was and got stuck with a knife to his chest. He immediately gunned it with the other bloke still hanging off his window for a bit before he lost him. My mate made it to the nearest hospital, bleeding profusely and he was lucky that none of his vital organs were damaged. He still bears a nice scar, which he now uses to woo chicks - the police never caught anyone over this incident either.

As a rule I don't use ATMs late at night, it's simply too risky. I wouldn't have done what you did and walked to the car with that man. Had that been me I would have offered to call road side assistance or, maybe, given him a couple of bucks and skedaddled out of there. That was a very creepy experience you had there.
 
Lot of anger in these last few responses. Get a job? The effective unemployment rate in Michigan is hovering in the mid 20% range. I have no idea is I was being scammed, but $2.00 is not going to break me. 90% of the time I say no, and other I say yes as i did the other day. Even if the odds were great I was taken, on the small chance the woman was telling the truth, it was a little help.

I guess it comes down to what kind of world you want to live in. I choose not to live in one where I suspect everyone of trying to pull one over on me. If I get taken for a few bucks now and then so be it.
 
I choose not to live in one where I suspect everyone of tryi

I try not to either. Lets face it, the ones doing most of the 'pulling' and 'pushing' don't panhandle.
 
Level of intelligence.....

It also depends on a person's level of intelligence, how well they are able rationalize their circumstances, who they are and ability to solve problems. You may be blessed with a superior mind that has helped you through tough situations from an early age, others are not as fortunate.

Good point and very well said,Olav. Ironic....many(not ALL) people who "think" they are smart can not figure that out. They think everyone is the same,like them and should have a job,like them.
 
The last few that have approached me involved kids in the subject.
From selling school candy bars to starving kids.
When I tell them that I don't carry cash or change, they get very aggressive. Big time aggressive.
This has been a problem in the Atlanta area.
I just get away as fast as I can. In fact, I don't even talk to them any longer. I play like I don't speak English. Laugh all you want...try it...it works.
Brent
 
They think everyone is the same,like them and should have a

Yep, that's it in a nutshell. It comes back to projecting one's own experiences and expectations onto others. There is always the assumption that other people are on the same page.

Intelligent, rational and considered thought doesn't happen just like that. I firmly believe, maybe wrongly, that it requires learning and a degree of discipline, like everything else. I am still trying to make sense of everything and have a hard time understanding the world and the people around me.

The most intelligent people who have crossed my path, weren't only in possession of incredible knowledge, but they demonstrated a tremendeous ability to put that knowledge into a practical and rational context. None of these people ever came accross as judgemental, superior or arrogant; and all of them exhibited a very high level of empathy and understanding.

In all fairness I know that panhandling is a big problem in the States. Lots of people have it down to a fine art as well - they execute it with great skill. I experienced this a few times when I lived there.

On numerous occasions well-dressed persons would strike up a friendly conversation, only to ask me for money before we parted company. Other times someone would just walk up to me and give me stuff, like a record or book etc. - tell me that he wanted me to have it, be really nice and friendly and then suddenly ask for money in return. Initially I was very perplexed and just gave it back to the person, politely declining their 'generous' gift. Another time this happened, I gave my thanks, turned around and walked off. They guy chased me down and I flat out told him that I thought it was a gift and didn't understand what he wanted from me. He got stroppy and I threatened him with the cops. In the end I just threw whatever he had given me to ground and walked off.
That happened when I was living in New York.

A friend once told me about a weird experience he had whilst holidaying in the States. He went to a bar, where he got into a friendly conversation with a guy and ended up drinking with him for several hours. Then, out of the blue, the guy ripped the gold chain from my friend's neck and ran off.

Here in Australia people don't panhandle to the extent they do in America. When they want something they just ask for it without any kind of spiel. It's usually for smokes or a couple of bucks for the bus. If I think they are dodgy I usually come back with 'sorry mate I was just gonna ask you for money/smokes - can't help ya bro, bye' before I move on.

It can get a bit tedious when people hussle for cash all the time. The window washing at traffic lights became a big thing in Sydney during the nineties. I had already experienced this in the States and knew not to give in. Then again, here they weren't as persistent and rude and would just walk of after doing the smear. Anywho, it takes all kinds to make the world go round and, like it or not, the US is known as the land of hussle everywhere else. Doesn't matter where you go in the States, there is always someone who wants your money and, unlike most other developed countries, they are really brash about it. It's your culture, so deal with it.

What is the great American philosophy that you learn as soon as you get there? Money talks and bull***t walks.

cheers

olav
 
As for unemployment rates, if you can't find a job in your area you move to an area where you can find one. I have done it a lot of times. It is not as hard as you think.

Us Americans have been scammed to death. Scams on the phone, scams in the streets, scams in the mail, scams on the internet. We are truly sick of it. If somebody is really down and out and broke they can always turn to the Salvation Army, Star of Hope mission, or Federal Public Services for assistance.

I was brought up to believe there is no such thing as free. You are going to pay for it one way or another. You make your bed and you lay in it. That's the problem with a lot of these panhandlers. They screwed up while growing up and now are paying for it.

And they don't like it.
 
Us Americans have been scammed to death

Well, join the club. Americans aren't the only ones who are getting scammed. With new technologies and systems you will always have people who figure out ways to make a quick buck, preying on the gullible and naive.

Just now I got another Canadian lottery email telling me that I am a multi-millionaire - whoohoo! Don't think I'll claim my prize right now tho. I'll wait till the snows melt.
 
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