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Has anyone tried the Persil liqui tabs and how they rate for getting clothes clean and ease of rinsing?

Also Daz, Bold and Fairy liquids have taken the optical brighteners out of their formulations. Anyone else notice that?
 
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I tried some today and whilst it cleans well the standard number of rinses is not enough to remove the soap especially on towels. I won't use them again as i think Persil deliberately put too much in one pouch of detergent. Why don't you like liquids Kenmoreguy?
 
Or, Simply Follow One's Lead

Got out one's digital kitchen scale used when baking and weighed one packet. When doing the wash one takes that number, divides by three and that is the amount poured into an Ariel Excell dosing cap. Said thing is then chucked into the wash.

Yes, quite allot of effort but since one has a stash of the stuff what else is there to do? Once completed won't bother again.
 
cutting back?

Launderess Id hardly suggest cutting back as the way to get clean rinses when for all you know dirt is being left behind.

Case study -

Recently washed a load of soiled kitchen linen, Full dose of Fairy Non Bio powder as suggested.

End of the final rinse still suds and cloudy water yet when the washing was removed from the machine there was still curry stains left on a teatowel.

Mileage varies and if one wants to go down the route of complaining about rinsing then one needs to find a detergent themselves which they are happy with in terms of cleaning vs rinsing.

I have found my chosen detergent for cleaning AND rinsing performance. Its Ariel Bio powder. That suits MY water hardness at the dose reccomended for the soil I present. It does both excellently.

Liberatordeluxe needs to find his and unfortunately we can only go as far as telling him BRAND X suds and rinses to __X___ level in MY CONDITIONS in MY part of the country.

His Mileage will vary and its up to him to find his own choice unfortunatley.

We can only offer our OPINIONS on the subject and offer suggestions but without trial by that person, in their machine, with their fabrics soiled to their levels, with their water and with their dosages they wont know an answer from anyone external.
 
You have vinegar today Aquarius? Some of your posts are bloody patronising and rude!!! I think you need to word your posts better cos you come across as arrogant!

Thanks Launderess helpful as usual :-)
 
if we want to get touchy

then Id suggest your repetitive threads of one track comes across as being somewhat trollish.

If thats not the case then great - I see nothing wrong with my posting above aside from the capital letter usage which I was using to highlight my point.
If I say something you dont like then thats out of my hands. I have only stated facts.

As for Ariel Bio powder and fading OBA's then I can only point you towards the Colour version too but seeing as im not bothered about the very little colour fading the bleachy version and I tend not to be so anal about such things im happy with it.

Like I say thats my choice your mileage varies and what you think suitable is entirely upto you.

Rob - no vinegar just sugar and spice.
 
Liberatordeluxe...

It hardly seems fair to jump down Robs throat when all he was doing was answering the question that you asked. It was also a completely valid response and he made a good point.

Personally, I wouldn't touch bio and non bio liquids if you paid me. The whole point of bio is the combination of stain removing enzymes and bleaching agents to keep whites white and other items like towels, bedding and cloths hygienicly clean. I use Persil Bio powder for such things and it's never let me down. I also use either Persil Colour powder or small and mighty colour liquid for dark and coloured clothes.

Incidentally, not to crap all over your point or anything, but optical brighteners don't really make that much difference - it's the bleach in bio and non bio powders that cause fading on colours. Ariel Excel colour gel is full of optical brighteners. But since bleaching agents aren't present in liquids or gels, you've nothing to worry about.
 
Regular detergents fading colours

I gave up on colour and liquid detergents about 3 years ago and have never looked back.

My coloured clothes have not faded anymore than they did when using even the most delicate of dedicated "colour" detergents.

Apparently oxygen bleach does not fade colours, it simply removes any loose colour, this loose colour would come out of the fabrics no matter what detergent, programme or wash temperature is used, so perhaps it is fair to say that although normal detergent will cause coloureds to fade slightly quicker, they will not fade any more than with a colour detergent. Optical brighteners do not really have all that much effect on dark colours anyway.

Colour and liquid detergents did not exist until the mid 80s-early 90s, and it wasn't really a problem before, regular detergents were marketed as being ok for woollens and the like until this time as well. I must admit I regularly wash pure wool in persil, just be mindful of the dose and it's fine! It's all down to marketing really!

Regular powder detergents do leave washing much cleaner and fresher smelling than colour care, so my coloured clothes look and feel much fresher now than they ever did before.

So I would say be brave and ditch all the specialist detergents for just one regular powder, my preference is Persil bio but Ariel bio works equally as well.

I have no rinsing problems with a full or even heavy soil dose even in soft as butter north east water.

Just make sure the machine is correctly loaded (neither over nor under) and press extra rinse if this option is available and necessary, then walk away and don't worry about it, unless your clothes feel soapy or cause rashes it's fine.

Matt
 
@ Aquacycle why do these companies make 'Colour' liquids then? One company tells you one thing and another one tells you another. Hard to know what to believe. I think you will find the 'Colour' excel gel has no brighteners in there now as Ariel have removed them. Next time your in a shop check for yourself.
 
Thanks Matt. You seem to know what your talking about. I was just a bit dubious about brighteners because apparently they are not good if you have eczema or sensitive skin as they don't get rinsed off.
 
The reason they make so many products is to get money in the till ASAP via market share of certain genres.

Encourage consumers to buy 2 packets this week instead of 1.
Dont encourage them to use less so they come back for more sooner.

Choice = money.

Powders were the thing years ago and are one of the most expensive to produce. Hence the introduction of liquids which were cheaper to produce and now even cheaper to transport due to the concentrations

In an attempt to get us to drop powder in favour of liquid manufacturers have come up with allsorts of gimmicks to encourage us and for joe public its almost working.

Anyone who knows the chemical reactions and purposes of detergents wont buy into MARKETING Gimmicks and usually sticks with a powder which is the best form of detergent for most purposes.
 
I suppose it's mostly down to clever marketing. If a company can persued the consumer to buy 2 detergents and not 1, they're making double the amount from essentially 1 sale. Matt has made a good point above and one that I will be sure to test. However, in my experience, I have noticed a difference when using colour detergent. I was brought up on just 1 bio powder and it wasn't until I moved out of my Mums in 2008 that I got to play around with different detergents. I have noticed since then that my coloured clothes like jeans don't fade half as much or as quick. Inevitably, there is some fading, but it's minimal. I guess the only way to find ways of washing that work best for you is through trial and error. Just buy something and see what happens
 
Most of whats already been said so far today has been mentioned in other LiberatorDeluxe threads,

Matt seems to know what hes talking about?
How would you know considering your asking questions here as if your uneducated?

Are we really learning anything or,

Is it just a case of a boring day at work requiring some tea and sympathy?
 
No need to apologise at all L-D-L, simply take away a bit of what we are saying and what we have been advising you to do in the past and experiment with your own conditions to find what suits you best.

One can ask to be educated and pooh pooh all that is offered then come back and complain that ones own directives didnt work which will only result in backs being rubbed up the wrong way.

If everything fails then I doubt there is much anyone can do.

Truce agreed indeed.

Rob
 

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