Persil Powder gets a rave review

[mattl]

in an unlikely place Huff Po

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/persil-laundry-detergent_l_653fc936e4b0ae2dc0b48a37

 

[tomturbomatic]

There are no two ways about it; it is an excellent laundry detergent. I am grateful to the AW club members who enlightened us about it almost a decade ago.

 

[luxflairguy]

I've always loved Persil but...

Now that I use a shared laundry room with Maytag front loaders that get lots of abuse(!) I have been using Tide w/ bleach with good results. If I switched back to Persil which formulation would be equvilelent to Tide and how much should I use per load! Thanks! Greg

 

[launderess]

Persil powder or megaperls only have two formulas; one for whites/colourfast (Universal) and other for colours.

Dosage on packets of Persil from Germany are for water conditions found locally. Most (but not all) water in parts of Europe is far harder than good part of USA. Thus one can usually get away with smallest dose recommended on packet.

Above advice will of course vary by local water hardness conditions, soil and stain level. Also by capacity of washing machine with larger 181b-20lb loads will require more detergent than 11 lb.

Personally find Persil powders or megaperls rinse easier and faster than TWB. Indeed across line find any laundry detergent made by P&G sold world over tends to have froth and clean rinsing issues unless one is careful with dosage.

https://www.testberichte.de/spuel-waschmittel/538/waschmittel/persil.html



https://www.atticmag.com/2013/10/miele-fans-washing-machine-cheat-sheet/

 

[tomturbomatic]

Thank you for the You Tube.

Launderess, did you find that the Tide HE Turbo was better at controlling the suds? There was a period when Tide HE was released on the market when the boxes had all kinds of European FL names on them. Then something changed and the sudsing was higher and the recommendations from Miele and other European brands disappeared. I have managed to keep sudsing down by mixing detergent with STPP so even though there is plenty of alkalinity in the bath, there is less surfactant for building sudsthat have to be rinsed away. The Turbo formula that is currently out is lower sudsing than what came before it.

 

[launderess]

Haven't used Tide "Turbo" HE or otherwise.

Currently besides several boxes of vintage "ultra" Tide one has a stash of Tide "Pro Line" powder. None have been opened as am working through box of Miele Ultra White powder.

Tide Free and Gentle liquid and Cold Water Free (also liquid) will have issues with froth and rinsing if one isn't careful about dosing. Ariel "Excel" gel (in lovely Alpine Fresh) from Europe is same.

 

[nmassman44]

I use the versions of Persil that is mentioned in the article. Both powder versions are excellent and low sudsing and they rinse clean. The scent is not overpowering and the laundry smells clean. The scent does not linger like some detergents so for me that’s a plus.

 

[dermacie]

I loved the Persil powder but it is no longer locally available.

 

[novum]

Not sure I've ever used Henkel Persil. The version here is Unilever which is still a nice product, but not the same formula.

I've used Le Chat in France and found it good though.

 

[labboy]

Miele UltraWhite vs. Persil

Currently working through some Tide with Bleach. Thinking about possibly trying Miele UltraWhite powder next. Anyone have thoughts about UltraWhite vs. Persil Universal Powder or MegaPerls? All of the other Miele cleaning products I’ve tried have been pretty excellent.

Bob

 

[powerfin64]

I use Miele Ultra White and Persil Universal Megaperls (colors also).
Miele Ultra White is excellent in cleaning and has very low-no suds. I use Miele a lot for washing towels in a high temperature wash,
and Persil Universal megaperls on whites with high temperature wash also.
Persil Universal megaperls has little more suds, not excessive.
Either way, you would not be disappointed in the cleaning and rinsing results. a little with either product goes along way.

 

[launderess]

I quite fancy it!

Have been working through a box of Miele "Ultra White" powder nabbed at good price from fleaPay.

Stuff works rather well is comparable to Persil in all powder formats. Bonus points for Miele UW powder that it doesn't contain zeolites and seems to rinse tad easier than Persil.

 

[panasonicvac]

Speaking of Miele and Persil

Are Miele detergents made by Persil? Sounds like they're both different but I've heard from this person that they're made by the same company.

 

[launderess]

No, Henkel does not provide private label products for Miele's detergents. That YT video person is seriously mistaken.

My guess is laundry detergents come from Kreussler who has a long standing relationship with Miele via wet cleaning.

https://kreusslerinc.com/wetcare-miele-kreussler/

 

[launderess]

One of our European members posted awhile back in another thread about who made what products for Miele. Laundry products come from one place, dishwasher things from another and so forth.

Henkel would never create something private label that would compete with their top shelf Persil or whatever it's called in other markets.

P&G has "professional" Tide and Ariel, but they are just that; same brand names but labeled for commercial or institutional laundry use.

 

[me]

Can find out who makes Miele's stuff from the MSDS.

UltraPhase 1

English
Manufactured by

DALLI-WERKE GmbH & Co. KG

Zweifaller Straße 120
52220 Stolberg
Deutschland
Tel. +49 (0) 2402 89 00

https://i.elektrocz.com/inf-list/pics/00246000/00245824/1517490161.pdf

Ultrawhite: the same

https://www.yumpu.com/it/document/read/54986494/miele-wa-uw-2702-p-scheda-tecnica

 

[launderess]

Thank you!

I stand corrected.

Should have just searched archives for thread in question.

https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?50700_9

German consumer testing rates Miele laundry products quite highly.

https://www.welt.de/vergleich/miele-waschmittel/[this post was last edited: 12/5/2023-19:41]

 

[launderess]

On another note...

If purchasing Persil Color Kraft gel (Henkel) from various American sources or even online check packaging. As with nearly everyone else Henkel has been engaging in "shrinkflation".

New bottles of Persil gel are only 900ml down from 1 liter. Henkel points out new dosage calls for 45ml instead of 50ml so consumers should come out ahead or at least even.

https://www.test.de/Verpackungsaerger-Persil-Color-Kraft-Gel-6013638-0/

 

[helicaldrive]

The German Persil gels

Are now far more concentrated than they used to be.

Now they dose like the American Persil liquid — only need a dab in a FL.

Used to be I’d need up to 3/4 of a capful with the bottle of German Persil gel I had before.

Fabulous product.

 

[yuccadew]

Anyone here currently using Persil powder? How much do you use? I purchased a box of the Henkel version recently, and I’m having a terrible time getting it to rinse out of clothes. Leaves streaks.

My washing machine is a top loading Maytag, a few years old, with an agitator. I always use hot water and put the detergent in first, let the machine start filling with water, then add the clothes. Even with an extra rinse cycle, I was getting streaks of detergent left on the clothes.

At the moment I’m doing a load with less detergent (1/4 cup, whereas before I was using about 1/2 cup for a larger load), which I mixed up with hot water in a jar first, then using the method in the previous paragraph. I also am using a different cycle setting, since the "normal" cycle does not allow for a "deep water" wash. Curious to see if the deep water cycle helps.

I think i just really dislike these new HE washing machines, and might just have to go back to liquid detergent, even though I prefer the cleaning ability of powders. Curious what kinds of washing machine fellow powder fans have, and how much detergent you use.

 

[yuccadew]

Also, to add to my comment, the most I fill the clothes is about 1/2 way in the machine, so I don’t believe I’m overloading it..

 

[launderess]

Streaks of powder detergent residue are normally result of zeolites. IIRC most versions of Persil (European) including "mega perls" are some what high in zeolite content.

There may also be issues with using too much detergent and or coupled with using low temperatures.

Finally today's "HE" sort of front loaders use far less water. This also can cause issues with detergent not dissolving properly and rinsing cleanly.

This residue often isn't noticeable on whites or very light coloured textiles, but darker colours or blacks are another matter.

https://www.electrolux.ie/support/s...ale-streaks-on-laundry-or-emits-a-sour-smell/

https://www.miele.co.uk/support/cus...eolites,do not usually contain zeolites.[this post was last edited: 8/19/2024-17:20]

 

[yuccadew]

^Thank you, Laundress. I have an American Maytag top loader, and I’ve been using hot water only with the powder.

The 1/4 cup that I just tried with a load of towels on a “deep” water cycle and an extra rinse did rinse out. Now I’ll have to see if loads come of clean enough with only that much detergent..

 

[launderess]

If using a traditional top loader you may also wish to try adding powdered detergent first, setting washer to low level fill, let it agitate for a bit to fully dissolve detergent, stop machine and reset to proper water level and add wash.....

Thing about zeolites is they are insoluble, that's the whole point. However this can cause issues with residue sometimes no matter what one does.

Must of the "dust" or "lint" washed in powdered detergents comes from either zeolites or other substances that don't fully dissolve such as certain bulking agents.

Above is one reason why so many switched to liquid format laundry detergents for deep colours and or dark/black items.

 

[yuccadew]

^So I’ve settled on dissolving it in hot water in a jar, then adding it to the empty machine and letting it fill with hot water before adding the clothes. Although even with that, I was still getting those awful steaks, but reducing the amount of detergent seems to have helped. Must be those zeolites :/. Thanks for the articles, too. I read them and it makes sense.

Nothing can really beat those old phosphate containing detergents. I haven’t found anything quite as good in today’s market, for laundry or automatic dish detergents. They just don’t clean as well, and/ or they leave some funky residue.

 

[DADoES]

 
Would adding/dissolving sufficient STPP into the wash water before the detergent counter the zeolite issue?

 

[yuccadew]

DadoES- thank you for posting that. I’m going to read some of the old threads about STPP.

 

[launderess]

"Would adding/dissolving sufficient STPP into the wash water before the detergent counter the zeolite issue?"

Probably not because adding phosphates won't remove or nullify zeolites already present in powdered laundry detergent.

One could argue presence of STPP would mean zeolites aren't necessary. However, since phosphates are pretty much banned from domestic laundry detergents there you are.

 

[launderess]

For laughs and giggles broke out one of the boxes of vintage Surf from my stash.

Stuff is loaded with zeolites and when used in Haier top loader could see bits floating about in wash water. This even after one had followed directions above; added powder to washer as it was filling with hot water to low level. After allowing agitation for about five minutes switched to high water level and added wash.

 

[yuccadew]

I think I’m going to give the STPP a whirl since I don’t think the reduced amount of laundry detergent I’m using now is going to cut it. Years ago when things first went phosphate free (early 10s?) I recall buying a commercial automatic dish powder with phosphates in it since the phosphate free ones were really, really bad back then, and I recall it helped. If it boosts the cleaning power of the small amount of powder I have to use to prevent the residue streaks, it will be worth it. Excited to try it .