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I'm considering geting some Megaperls to try out. Did you go for that or Universal Powder of some kind? Where did you buy it?

I think there must be a MAP because all the sites I've seen are within a dollar or so of each other!
 
It Is Called Price Fixing

Miele USA as the sole importer of Miele products keeps those allowed to sell Miele products on a VERY tight lead. Should said seller vary from the script, they will be dropped like a cheap date the next morning.

This is why you rarely (if ever) see Miele appliances marked down or on sale. It is also why you do not see many (if any) scratch and dented merchandise for sale. Unless the owner of the appliance (read consumer), themselves are selling the thing, or someone has managed to otherwise get their mitts on the damaged appliance.

Miele USA used to ship unsold appliances and such back to Germany, but that simply costs to much, so IIRC such appliances may now be offered to employees.

Persil laundry products fall under these rules, and that is why all retail sellers are pretty much within the same price range. Brick and motar stores sometimes sell the stuff at huge mark-up as do others, but they cannot sell below MieleUSA's "suggested" retail price.

What many online vendors do is offer incentives such as free shipping to bring the cost down.

Case in point for all this, just this week someone was selling Persil detergents and fabric softeners on fleaBay. Items were listed late at night, and were gone (taken down)by next morning.

There is a online retailer "GermanDeli" or some such that sells foods, housekeeping, housewares and so forth from Germany, and offers Persil as well. Do not think they get their product from MieleUSA though, but may have found away to work around the former's exclusive North American rights.

Oh yes, authorised Miele Canada and Mexico dealers are not allowed to send orders cross border. Vendors are not supposed to ship outside of their country.
 
I pretty much figured as much, although it was still really ~surreal~ to discover no actual Persil detergent on eBay. I must have checked my spelling three times before I began to suspect the heavy hand of "the man" at work. I also discovered GermanDeli in my online searching but they are both out of stock and not really that price competitive vs. the racket... sorry... *market* price.

I may do a little calling around to see if I can get a local rep to knock off enough % off the price (quietly) to make up the difference on sales tax. I'd rather give them the business vs. some anonymous online place.

That being said, if you have good feedback to offer over an "anonymous online place" that stocks Persil, I wouldn't turn it down...

:-)
 
Lucked Out

Got my stash of Persil "Sensitive" on eBay from former Miele dealer who was cleaning out stock. Don't know, didn't care, and didn't ask what Miele USA thought about the deal, but got a case of the stuff for less than what one pays locally for one box. Seller had various Henkel fabric softeners as well, but really don't use the stuff.

Do wonder how extensive Miele's grasp is on dealer pricing when it comes to vacuums and accessories. There are tons of Miele vacuum cleaners, bags and so forth on eBay, many seemingly below MSRP.

Got a huge case of Miele vac bags off fleaBay as well years back. As my upright only takes the "Z" bags, sold off the lot to a local vacuum dealer (had taken my unit in for repair and struck up a convo with the owner), at a very good price. Even paying three to four times more what I paid for the lot, vac guy stated it was still cheaper than ordering from MieleUSA direct.

There are often sellers in Europe selling Persil on eBay, but shipping charges and exchange rates, often make for a deal breaker.

If you reall want Persil, have found ordering directly from MieleUSA the cheapest. Local upscale housewares store charges about 2.5 percent more than Miele for the same detergents.
 
"anonymous online place"

No such animal.

Only way one gets one's hands on Persil in the United States,outside of dealing with Miele USA and it's authorised dealers, and perhaps GermanDeli.com, is to luck onto someone closing out stock. Perhaps a vacuum store or whatever that has gone out of business and it's stock purchased by a third party for selling on.

GermanDeli has been out of Persil for along time now. IIRC, they are located near a military base,and wouldn't be surprised if someone from Germany was shipping them the product, and or otherwise bringing it over. I mean they probabl didn't sell that much to warrant a huge stock. Several cases probably lasted quite awhile.
 
Well I took the plunge and decided to see what the fuss was all about. First up, some jeans, then the whites/lights. Should be a productive afternoon!

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It is .....

...an excellent detergent as are both versions (European/British) of Persil/Ariel. You will be hard pressed to find better for a front loader...without resorting to the use of additional additives...

The top 5 front load detergents sold in Australia are also very good detergents and get clothes clean not only without using additional additives but also in cold water which the majority of Aussies use...

- Drive
- Omo
- Radiant
- Coldpower
- Biozet
 
How much?

How much are you guys using for a typical wash in a FL? The back of the box starts the dosing at 45ml which is ~ 3tbsp (and it goes up from there!), but I'm finding that 1 tbsp does a pretty good job in the Bosch. I think the dosing goes all the way up to 150ml for hard water + heavy soil but good grief, that's close to 2/3 of a cup ! I'd be afraid it would eat a hole in something at that kind of concentration...

One of ours had a little "accident" in the bed (still working on nighttime potty training) on some flannel sheets and a single tbsp got out both the stain and absolutely 100% of the smell, probably thanks to the multitude of enzymes. That's the first time in recent memory I haven't had to add BioKleen Bac-Out to get the smell out.

So far, I'm impressed.
 
For the cost

...it should take *me* out to lunch (including dessert) and wash, dry, fold and put away my laundry while we're out! No disagreements with you there Sudsman!!

Still, if 1/3 the published dosing proves effective with the kind of grime my kids can come up with then my 45-load boxes suddenly became a 135-load boxes... which makes the math much more palatable. That would put it closer to the realm of $0.33/load which is very much within the bounds of reason.
 
Have Said This Before

Now am repeating, *LOL*

Dosage on Persil laundry products are for the European market, even now despite their new English packaging for North America.

Much of Europe and the UK has water so hard one can chip teeth, hence the rather high dosages. All but the hardest USA water is softer than what one finds across the pond, so dosage can be adjusted downwards quite allot.

Megaperls in highly concentrated, so yes one tablespoon should do for an average front loader wash load. Persil powder dose can range from 2 tablespoons to 1/4 cup, depending upon soil and other factors.
 
In Germany, water hardness is defined/measured in °dH. I just found an online converter and it looks like °dH and grains per gallon are almost the same. So these are the German definitions for soft, medium and hard water:

Soft water would be anything below 8.34 gpg
Medium Hard would be between 8.35 and 14.59 gpg
Hard water would be anything above 14.59 gpg

Depending on your water, you can adjust the dosage accordingly. FWIW, I always use 45 ml, which is what the package recommends for "Soft Water" and "Light Soil".

Alex
 
John, Have you Tried

The sears ultra plus detegent ? @ about 17 cents a load it is very cost effective and here does a very good job. I have tried the Persil and it did well but the cost is far to high for us to use.
 
I did try Sears Ultra Plus (orange box) but it just didn't work as well as I had hoped -- just OK on stain removal (no better than what I was using at the time) and things came out really stiff like it wasn't rinsing well, in spite of a lack of suds in the rinse. All of this was probably due to our strange water chemistry here in middle TN coming into play.
 
When using Megaperls in my Bosch, I use 45ml for average loads and 65ml for heavier soiled loads. Though, to prevent a suds routine, in all towel loads I only use about 35ml. This translates to Soft water, light and normal soils. My water is between 7 and 9 grains, depending on time of year, which my water company considers "hard". With domestic products I generally use the amount stated or slightly less.
My preferences are the Megaperls Color and traditional powder. When using traditional powder, I use 80 or 100 ml for regular and heavy soil loads and 120ml for my massage linens(which require more to get the oil out).
Persil has always been a favourite, I've been using it off and on for 10 year now.
HTH, Todd
 
Well....

...you lot would pass out here then...

Given the USD:AUD is almost 1:1....check out these per dose costs...in cents

Front load detergents (soil removal over 75% in controlled cold 20c)

OMOmatic - 47
Coldpowermatic - 62
Radient - 57
Biozet - 45

Top load detergents (soil removal over 75% in controlled cold 20c)

Omo - 45
Biozet - 42
Coles - 37 (supermarket own label)
Seventh generation - 46

Even the cheapest with over 70% was still 33c
 

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