Persil!!!!!!!!

[sudsman]

John I have seen that happen at Laundries across the street

with the same washers but the same detergent would not work as well one place as it did the other. Know of at least 5 places that very thing has happened . Not just here but in other states too. Thats is why there so many different brands. It really is all a matter of trial and error. just finding what works best where.

 

[mysteryclock]

Math is hard....

...and why couldn't we have converted to Metric when I was young enough for it not to matter?

The box is 3.038kg. The recommended dosing for light/medium/heavy soil in medium-hardness water is 45/85/130ml. The little icon at the bottom of the box says 85ml is 67.5g.

Soooo....

3.038kg / 67.5g is (drumroll) 45.007 loads. The box advertises 45, which means they are marketing it as smack-dab in the middle of both the soil and hardness range. IMO, that's pretty honest and truthful advertising as opposed to the smaller amount!

At 1tbsp per load (let's say 14g) that would be an eye-popping 217 loads per box, or ~ $0.21/load.

I think I'll be a little braver about upping the dosage on some more heavily-soiled items now without worrying that I'm breaking the bank!

 

[ronhic]

It shouldn't...

....surprise that a top performing detergent at what is effectively 1/4 dose can still work well...

Choice magazine here tested Omomatic (Australian Leverrexona and equiv to Persil) at 1/2 and 1/4 dose last test to see if it was still effective and that the grey water could be used for gardens long term...

At 1/2 dose it was still the best performing detergent and at 1/4 dose slipped to no:3....though the ability to shift oily marks was reduced but you could safely use all the water in the cycle on plants (not food plants)

So the moral of the story is to reduce the detergent load until you get the right balance for your clothes - not all of us have oily clothes or ground in dirt...and for the loads that do have these stains, up the dose again...

Saves you money, is better for the fabrics and your skin (rinsing) and much better for the environment...

 

[panthera]

Dosing European detergents is a bit different from

the American variety.

The full range of enzymes, bleach and other active ingredients is meant to be available at the lowest dosage listed.

Higher dosages are for harder water.

My water in our part of the city in Munich is over the top of the hardness scale, for instance, so I use an additional water softener and the lowest dose.

Of course, the 20C. nonsense is worth forgetting.

Americans will never switch to metric as long as the packaging volume is in whole units and then converted to the inevitably fractional metric units. Four liters is easy. One gallon is easy. Three liters and 91/100 is too weird for words.
Here in Cheyenne, with moderately soft water, I find two tablespoons of Persil cleans perfectly in the front loader and Thumper (and she's PANK). Three tablespoons are needed for the 18 pound Maytag TL, simply because of the enormous amount of water involved, not the amount of clothes.

European detergents continue to hold soil in suspension for well over an hour as our wash cycles are very long. This is a major plus for soaking and then washing when dealing with stains or oil/grease which are susceptible too enzymes.

 

[launderess]

P&G

Tests Tide, and probably a few other detergents as well using water from many parts of the United States. This is probably to ensure some kind of uniform results, with water quality that varies from Maine to California. More so in that P&G has cut down on detergent plants, so to consolidate production in cost control measures.

 

[launderess]

Still Say

While Persil is great, one obtains the same results using and good TOL American detergent (Tide "Pro-Series" is my current favourite), and adding oxygen bleach where required. If one really wishes to kick things up a notch, adding some STPP gives exactly the same results as Persil.

Tide "Pro-Series" detergent is rated "HE" and rinses as well as Persil.

Also can swear, and have heard this from other quarters as well, that laundry washed in Persil turned "grey" after awhile. Even the "anti-grey" formula has this effect.

L.

 

[ronhic]

That's....

....completely different to the experience I have had with UK Persil.

When we came back from the UK in 2004, I shipped 20kg of Persil back with our belongings and used it pretty much exclusively until I got down to the last package, which given Canberra's ultra soft water was about 2yrs later...

I have to say that I never witnessed any greying of whites at all and can, hand over heart, confirm that older white cotton sheets and new cotton sheets hung on the line are almost impossible to tell apart from 5 metres awau....only when you get close can you see one is newer and it certainly isn't because of the colour.

I wonder if line drying v's tumble drying or if there is another factor that has an impact on what you have witnessed?

Thoughts?

 

[kqkenmore]

Laundress Where do you get tide pro series? You say that it can be used in he machines.How big is the package? Thanks Carl

 

[launderess]

Nabbed Several Boxes Off eBay (Where America Shops)

About a year or so ago for a very good (read dirt cheap) price.

You would have to find a P&G "commercial" laundry distributor or vendor of same willing to sell to domestic consumers. Do not know how tight a leash P&G keeps their "Pro-Line" series on. As discussed here in the group often, some commercial laundry products (Ecolab) wont' have anything to do with retail consumers, period. If you happen to get your hands on some product, good for you, but don't bother calling (Ecolab) for assistance.

http://www.greenguarantee.com/opl01.htm

 

[sudsman]

P & G Pro Line Products

Can only be purchased thru their Distributors. or if someone can sneak some out on the black market fleabay. I have a large amount that the rep left here for us to try. I have it on 2 machines and does a nice job.. It is very concentrated. only 1 oz for a 50 lb washer and 2.2 on the 150's Downy Pro Line is super concentrated also Only 1/2 oz for a 50 and only 1.2 for the 150's If you need help or have any questions about it dont waste your time calling they WILL NOT help you with out a Customer number and then unless you have a account on file forget it. The are just like Ecolab and get very nasty about it. Even if you do manage to get to talk to some one they will ask you who your local rep is and if you dont know the will give you a name and tell you they will have him call you or that you should contact him first. They were just here yesteday and will be back today to try another washer. At this time they are pulling out all the stops to try to stab Ecolab in the back.. They are giving free Tide for a month if you go with them and drop Ecolab, Any other brands you can get tide free for 2 weeks . They are trying really hard to kick Ecolabs ass. And in this area are doing a hell of a job of it too.

 

[mrboilwash]

Greying

It`s no surprise to me if people complain about grey whites and smelly coloreds washed with Persil considering the ultra small doses some of you use.
You might be thrilled about stain removal, but usually the bulk of soil is invisible like sebum and dead skin cells, so in the long run underdosing will show. German consumer test seperatly rates stain removal (like motor oil, grass, pasta sauce and so on) and soil removal which means how white or grey things are after 15 cycles at 40°C. Both types of Persil Megaperls shined for stain and soil removal.
Isn`t that Bosch an uber sized American one ? I`d go with 45 ml if the washer is only partially loaded and use even more when stuffed to capacity. If it doesn`t suds up like crazy in your very soft water it should be all right.
I understand that German Persil is awfully expensive in the US but wouldn`t it be wiser to use a TOL American detergent at the correct dose ?

 

[circlew]

P&G

I see P&G Professional Line products on the shelves at Gordon Food Service all the time. I buy the Dawn, Spic & Span, and Comet every once in a while. Have also seen powdered Tide and various other products there. Many other restaurant and institutional foods distributors have "cash & carry" type stores.

 

[autowasherfreak]

I got one of my white work shirts pretty dirty when deep cleaning the kitchen at work. I was going to pre treat before I washed it, but forgot. Washed it with Persil, not a single stain to be found! I washed four shirts in the front loader with a scoop (from the Sears Ultra Plus) of Persil.

 

[mysteryclock]

Internal heater?

My washer (Bosch Nexxt 500) has an internal heater that will bring up cold water to wash temp when I select "Heavy Duty". Is this the recommended approach when using an enzyme-containing detergent like Persil? Will starting with a warm (95F - 35C) fill inactivate them? It automatically adds at least 0:30 to the wash cycle since it is just a 120v unit.

 

[ronhic]

From what I...

....understand.

There are more enzymes now that are active both lower and higher in the temperature range. Very cold water and they remain, generally, inactive. Hot water (60c+) kills them.

This is one of the reasons European machines have cold water inlets and longer cycles as it allows the detergent the Cold/Warm/Hot stages to work properly.

...but basically, a warm fill is fine.