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I have noticed that the liquid can be sudsy even in a standard top loader if the clothes aren't especially soiled. If you put the recommended amount of ANY detergent (HE or not) in any washer (front or top load) it is going to create mountains of suds with no clothes or clothes that aren't soiled. If I wash a really dirty load, I get very little to no suds. It doesn't mean the detergent isn't working, it means that there IS something for the detergent to act on, rather than just creating loads of foam. I washed a single bath towel this morning that had gotten a very smelly substance on it (cat urine, blegh!) but really wasn't soiled, and I didn't want to wash it with anything else- I used a small dose of the pearls in the Kenmore DD, small load, hot water, 14 minutes agitation on high speed, 2nd rinse enabled. It actually sudslocked the washer in the first spin! The first rinse had no suds, and I added Snuggle fabric softener to the second rinse. The towel came out perfectly clean and fresh, in fact, I used it this afternoon for a shower- No trace of urine smell left. On a usual load of whites, I never see so much as a bubble in the water.
 
Persil

No i did not overdose, i know how to do laundry thank you...... I put between lines one and two, which it says large loads 2 and use more for heavy soil, i can literally use a full cap which is 2x more of the recomended amount of tide and still does not sudslock! I have had this persil liquid for a long time now and i have used the amount for a "medium. " load which is line 1 i belive in a full large load and it still sudslocked! So no you are wrong! Not user error, i have hard water too not even soft, not only me, somebody else on here had an oversidsing issue with a cabrio, my point is is this is not an he detergent, i literally have to use a tablespoon for it not to suds but then my clothes come out still dirty looking so whats the point?
 
Persil Pro Clean Experiences

To preface, I am a big believer in powders. We use almost no liquid detergent in our house except for Method which is used on the dogs' toys since it rinses clean and if there is residue left, it won't be toxic if they chew a bear, etc.

I bought each variety of PPC when it hit the shelves. I used it in our Maximas, the short lived Speed Queens, and the Kenmag Cabrio clones. In the Maximas, the liquids caused almost no sudsing at all. With Original and Intense Fresh, the most I used was 1.5oz in a load. With the 2 in 1 there were some bubbles but nothing crazy, even with the Power wash cycle, which is notorious for sudsing in the Maytags. I had a lot of suds with the Power pearls but they seemed to subside and never error the machine. With the SQ, the sudsing was definitely more present in all varieties but the pearls were definitely REAL sudsy. As mentioned in the Kenmore thread, the pearls locked the machine up multiple times. Henkel's customer service service and manufacturing rep I spoke with seemed to think it had something to do with the recirculating spray "fluffing" the suds up. They were nice about it and even sent a refund in the amount of the two bottles of pearls I had purchased.

Since that post I have played with all the Persil PC more and have found the pearls are just not usable in some HE machines, they need to be reformulated. With the right dose 1.5oz-2oz, no suds at all with the Kenmore. I attempted another load with the pearls and had to cut the suds with FS before it locked. We will continue to use the liquids but the powder is just not there for us.

Also, has anyone noticed discoloration on creases and colors with the Persil liquid? I have two polos that I swear did not have the dreaded collar fading/graying before being washed in Persil. It might be my imagination though.
 
havin a heck

Of a time posting on this long thread with a phone....but thank you jarrod and mrboilwash for the info on the 2in1
Criswan...I haven't had any probs with over sudsing with the liquid or pearls but I have a water hog..lol actually the only detergent I have that causes excess suds is cheer stay colorful powder from 2012 and foca. Next year I will purchase a front loader He and it will all change for me I'm sure.
 
 

The main reason I like Persil is that I cannot use Tide products and the Persil has always cleaned and rinsed well for me.  Now the German Persil liquid is sudsy so I watch what I do with that but so far not having any trouble with this USA Persil liquid, but I think that if you are having problems with the suds then you should certainly not use the detergent. I know I wouldn't. 

 

Can someone explain what sudslock is?  I mean what happens?
 
Sudslock

Most newer HE machines have a suds sensor that will do one of two things if it senses that suds are out of control in the machine. Our Bosch HE washer would continually drain and then add water to dilute the suds until the sensor allowed it to continue the wash. Our Maytag FL and Kenmore TL attempt this operation but if it cannot after a few attempts it will abort the wash and shut down.
 
We talk about a sudslock when a ring of thick suds develops during a spin between the drum and the outer tub. Those suds can not be pumped away therefore they impede proper extraction during a spin.

I think the term Sudslock is AW slang just like Bobload, but I`m not entirely sure about it.
 
Thanks for the definition.  My machine has an Over sudsing light so I guess it would know when there are suds too.   Don't know what it might do about it though.   So I def think that if Persil is giving this condition in your machine then it is not the detergent you want to use. 

 

Thanks again.
 
 
The Rinse/new posts button works for me on it.

Suds lock may be a valid technical term.

I've not had any oversudsing with Persil powder in my Calypso or Neppy TL.  I have not tried the liquids.
 
2-in-1 liquid

I've been using the 2-in-1 liquid for a few weeks and really like it. It's great as a pre-treater. Is low sudsing if dosed appropriately for load size and soil level. I'm using it in a front loader with an onboard heater, which makes a lot of liquids suds out of control. Our water is very soft, 0.5-1.0 grains.
 
Sudsing, and Not

 
Five pairs of jeans with one casual shorts and a hand towel.

3-1/2 tbsp Persil powder, 2 tbsp STPP.

Pic 1 is rotation/shower about 1 minute after recirculation began so the stream is sudsy/concentrated ... and weak because the pump isn't yet fully primed.  Fresh-water fill is in progress/continuation at the left rear.

Pic 2 is during nutation more than 5 mins into the wash period.  Notice the recirculation stream is clear.

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Persil Pro Clean is now available in the Canadian Wal-Mart, and also I saw it at the Jean Coutu Pharmacies. I didn't see the big 64 loads bottles, only the 25 loads. And no Power Pearls, only liquid. A few different versions, Original, Lavender, Cold Water...

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Just bought one of these Intense Fresh Deep Clean kind from Walmart. Had been interested in Persil ever since I saw this video review of a Speed Queen set on YouTube. I've already done a few loads with it and so far, I'm impressed.



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The Persil with active scent booster has been in my local supermarkets and WalMarts since the beginning of summer. Haven't taken a sniff yet but doubt I would purchase it. The regular Persil has more than enough scent for me and leaves just enough residual fragrance on the finished laundry. So I don't need "active scent beads" popping and releasing more fragrance whenever I move.
 

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