I did manage, somehow, to stay at work all day. When I arrived home, my new, improved laundry room was there to greet me. The new washer is on the left. Forgot to use flash---the appliances are white, not almond.
Pics Of New Frigidaire TL'er At Work: The First Load
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Cycle Dial. Frigidaire claims there's 17. Me, I see four; but that's me.
Controls
And still more controls...
This is the highest (Super) water level. I'm afraid it's just not going to do... The straight-vane fins are not fully connected to the skirt. They flex.
First load is towels. I threw in a rogue colored washcloth to check rollover. Better than my WCI Frigidaire from the mid 80's, but definitely not as good as WP/KM's new models. The tub indexes, which used to annoy me, but now I think it's kinda fun.
Agitation Speeds: Normal=72 opm; Gentle=48 opm.
Spin speeds, unknown. Seem very slow compared to my FL'er. The so-called Power Spin is 12 minutes long.
Agitation Speeds: Normal=72 opm; Gentle=48 opm.
Spin speeds, unknown. Seem very slow compared to my FL'er. The so-called Power Spin is 12 minutes long.
And the auger grabs it...
And down we go...
What the f***?!!
This is not the TLer's drain, it belongs to the FLer. Grrrrrr!!! Can't have this nonsense.
This is not the TLer's drain, it belongs to the FLer. Grrrrrr!!! Can't have this nonsense.
Stick a sock in it---or in this case, a rolled up old washcloth. Problem solved.
Clarification: The TL was draining in post pic 154028, but the suds were backing up the FL'ers standing pipe, which is nearest the trap. Both the standing pipes are sheared off at an angle at the top to prevent airlocks. Unfortunately, this also allows suds to pour out of them. Stinkin' plumbing codes!
Clarification: The TL was draining in post pic 154028, but the suds were backing up the FL'ers standing pipe, which is nearest the trap. Both the standing pipes are sheared off at an angle at the top to prevent airlocks. Unfortunately, this also allows suds to pour out of them. Stinkin' plumbing codes!
Operating details:
1) There is a 22-second spray in each spin, which happens only a few seconds after the spin begins. I like that---it makes sense to begin showering the load well before it's up to speed. By the end of the spray, the spin is up to full speed.
2) It's a neutral drain. BORING. Oh, well...
3) It spins counterclockwise.
4) False Advertising: The warm rinse setting actually provides a COLD deep rinse, with a warm spray in the final spin. I call that cheating, don't you?
5) The front-loader can handle a bigger load, even though both machines claim a 3.0 cu.ft. tub. I suppose the agitator is to blame. It's not a huge difference, but the FL takes the checkered flag for capacity.
And there it is, kids! Thanks for checking it out. I need to relax. Time for some dinner and a movie. Now showing: Transamerica.
1) There is a 22-second spray in each spin, which happens only a few seconds after the spin begins. I like that---it makes sense to begin showering the load well before it's up to speed. By the end of the spray, the spin is up to full speed.
2) It's a neutral drain. BORING. Oh, well...
3) It spins counterclockwise.
4) False Advertising: The warm rinse setting actually provides a COLD deep rinse, with a warm spray in the final spin. I call that cheating, don't you?
5) The front-loader can handle a bigger load, even though both machines claim a 3.0 cu.ft. tub. I suppose the agitator is to blame. It's not a huge difference, but the FL takes the checkered flag for capacity.
And there it is, kids! Thanks for checking it out. I need to relax. Time for some dinner and a movie. Now showing: Transamerica.
Frigilux
That must be the factory FULL fill setting,mine fills to the same level 3 rows of holes counting down. was glad to see your pictures Thanks, Mine is the 13 cycle a couple of models down from yours. So far I like mine, then again I am delighted that my feet are not wet, like with the amana..grrrr. Hope you enjoy yours. Your machines lined up nicely, and look great. arthur.
That must be the factory FULL fill setting,mine fills to the same level 3 rows of holes counting down. was glad to see your pictures Thanks, Mine is the 13 cycle a couple of models down from yours. So far I like mine, then again I am delighted that my feet are not wet, like with the amana..grrrr. Hope you enjoy yours. Your machines lined up nicely, and look great. arthur.
Arthur--- It seems to be a pretty good washer. Haven't tried a load of stained kitchen whites, yet. That will happen on Friday after I have company again. I'm still a front-loader man at heart, but it's fun being able to mess with speeds, water levels, and that sort of thing with the top-loader.
Phil---I'd love to find the water level adjuster and crank it up. I like it best when this washer fills about 1/4" above the top row of perforations. But I'm not brave enough to dig into the inner workings, yet. Would this adjuster thingy be in the console right at the water control knob? To fill it beyond the factory setting for my BobLoad® of towels, I just held the water level control at reset.
Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, you may notice the photos in posts 15425 and 15427 were taken with the machine stopped. Due to the rapid movement of the indexing tub, all the pics except the one in post 154024 kept coming out blurry. Finally, I gave up and just waited for the rollover to progress, hit the cycle knob and snapped the photo. Then I'd start it up again.
This would be a good time for me to pull out the camera manual and figure out how to change the shutter speed, eh?
Since purchasing the washer wasn't quite enough to push me into bankruptcy, I'm now jonesing for a digital video camera. I'd love to post a video of the machine in action with the tub indexing and the auger moving. It's kind of dramatic in it's own white-plasticy way, LOL.
Phil---I'd love to find the water level adjuster and crank it up. I like it best when this washer fills about 1/4" above the top row of perforations. But I'm not brave enough to dig into the inner workings, yet. Would this adjuster thingy be in the console right at the water control knob? To fill it beyond the factory setting for my BobLoad® of towels, I just held the water level control at reset.
Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, you may notice the photos in posts 15425 and 15427 were taken with the machine stopped. Due to the rapid movement of the indexing tub, all the pics except the one in post 154024 kept coming out blurry. Finally, I gave up and just waited for the rollover to progress, hit the cycle knob and snapped the photo. Then I'd start it up again.
This would be a good time for me to pull out the camera manual and figure out how to change the shutter speed, eh?
Since purchasing the washer wasn't quite enough to push me into bankruptcy, I'm now jonesing for a digital video camera. I'd love to post a video of the machine in action with the tub indexing and the auger moving. It's kind of dramatic in it's own white-plasticy way, LOL.
The truly amazing thing about all this is it went from concept to working reality in under 48 hours! Everything worked out perfectly; the washer I wanted was in stock, the plumber was available right away, my appliance dealer had time to install it right away. That's fast. Even for me.
mayken4now
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The demo is great! Thanks for sharing.
steve
steve
Eugene, congrats. Very nice looking. Have fun. BTW, the Whirlmores don't fill up to the top of the tub either, pretty deceiving.
Looks/sounds like much fun and interest! What's the program for a Perm Press cool-down?
toggleswitch
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oh thank GAWD spray rinses still exist YAY!
Have fun with your new toy!
Have fun with your new toy!
Neutral Drain
Am I correct that there are two motors with the main one shutting off when the drain portion begins, and a separate, smaller motor kicking in to drain out the water - hence the neutral drain? I am guessing this is to get that coveted Energy Star rating...
Am I correct that there are two motors with the main one shutting off when the drain portion begins, and a separate, smaller motor kicking in to drain out the water - hence the neutral drain? I am guessing this is to get that coveted Energy Star rating...
Thanks for the comments, guys! I hope to get a video camera and post a vid sometime soon.
Glenn-- I don't think there is a special cooldown in the 'Colors' cycle. The only difference I noticed between the Colors and the Whites cycle is the length of the final spin. (On my front-loader, there is no spin before the first deep rinse in the Colors cycle. That and a shorter final spin are the only things that differentiate it from the Whites cycle).
Togs-- As soon as the spray rinse began during the first spin, I immediately thought "Oh, Steve would love this!"
Chris-- I'm not sure if there is a separate, smaller motor for the pump. There is a 3-second (motorless) pause between agitation and drain, but I didn't notice a different motor sound during the drain. I'll have to pull the front off and check it out. My guess is there is only one motor. It's a pretty basic machine. The front-loader has two motors, though.
Terry-- The front-loader is much quieter than the top-loader. I'd forgotten how noisy TL's are when filling and when the pump is sucking air after the tub has emptied. The FL'er is extemely quiet except during drain/spin.
Glenn-- I don't think there is a special cooldown in the 'Colors' cycle. The only difference I noticed between the Colors and the Whites cycle is the length of the final spin. (On my front-loader, there is no spin before the first deep rinse in the Colors cycle. That and a shorter final spin are the only things that differentiate it from the Whites cycle).
Togs-- As soon as the spray rinse began during the first spin, I immediately thought "Oh, Steve would love this!"
Chris-- I'm not sure if there is a separate, smaller motor for the pump. There is a 3-second (motorless) pause between agitation and drain, but I didn't notice a different motor sound during the drain. I'll have to pull the front off and check it out. My guess is there is only one motor. It's a pretty basic machine. The front-loader has two motors, though.
Terry-- The front-loader is much quieter than the top-loader. I'd forgotten how noisy TL's are when filling and when the pump is sucking air after the tub has emptied. The FL'er is extemely quiet except during drain/spin.
I'm curious about the separate pump motor. Seems *most* agitator toploaders nowadays (with the Whirlpool family perhaps being the exception) that do a neutral drain would have a separate pump/motor. I imagine it makes for a simpler main drive mechanism. But then one has to wonder ... why not just do a spin-drain?
wash&where?
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adjusting the water level upward
I have a frigidaire super capacity model with the exact tub and agitator and was able to raise the water level to the bottom of the softener dispenser. This puts it just above the bottom of the balancing ring. All you have to do is open the back area to expose the pressure dome and set screw behind the water level control knob. Start the washer filling until it reaches it's highest level and the stop the washer. Turn the set screw one to two rotations at a time so that it is pushing harder on the pressure dome button. I beleive this is a clockwise turn. After doing this, move the water level control to reset and then back to the highest level. The machine should start filling with water again. Keep adjusting until you reach the level you want by turning and checking the level. I do this to all of my machines. Any Kenmore/Whirlpool models that have the new plastic pressure domes that can not be adjusted, I replace them with the old metal ones and raise the levels to about an inch below the tub lip. This works great and I am able to wash huge loads. This also puts less wear and tear on the washer because large items are not crammed into the tub where they cannot agitate. The only thing is that it will also raise the lowest setting upward too. I rarely wash very small loads, so this does not matter to me. Sorry to be so wordy, but I hope this helps. These are quiet and gentle machines and you can't beat the price. They are also starting to show up as very reliable according to consumer reports lately.
I have a frigidaire super capacity model with the exact tub and agitator and was able to raise the water level to the bottom of the softener dispenser. This puts it just above the bottom of the balancing ring. All you have to do is open the back area to expose the pressure dome and set screw behind the water level control knob. Start the washer filling until it reaches it's highest level and the stop the washer. Turn the set screw one to two rotations at a time so that it is pushing harder on the pressure dome button. I beleive this is a clockwise turn. After doing this, move the water level control to reset and then back to the highest level. The machine should start filling with water again. Keep adjusting until you reach the level you want by turning and checking the level. I do this to all of my machines. Any Kenmore/Whirlpool models that have the new plastic pressure domes that can not be adjusted, I replace them with the old metal ones and raise the levels to about an inch below the tub lip. This works great and I am able to wash huge loads. This also puts less wear and tear on the washer because large items are not crammed into the tub where they cannot agitate. The only thing is that it will also raise the lowest setting upward too. I rarely wash very small loads, so this does not matter to me. Sorry to be so wordy, but I hope this helps. These are quiet and gentle machines and you can't beat the price. They are also starting to show up as very reliable according to consumer reports lately.
Hey, thanks for the info, wash&where! I'd like to set it so it fills with more water.
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Hi Guys--Haven't written anything for a while. I was in the process of quitting a job and moving. My new place only has room for a stack W/D. I went to Lowe's and bought the GLET1142CSO unitized (?) model. In many ways it's just like the one you've been talking about here.
It doesn't fill up all the way on Large--leaves 4 holes from the top. The tub is an indexing one (I hadn't personally seen one of those since I was a kid and saw a signature by Norge with the burpilator filter). Anyway, the warm rinse is deceptive on mine too.
The dryer seems to take a very long time to dry towels. The machine is very quiet when spinning. I'm sure that there are two motors in the washer. The second one is for draining, as when the spin starts I can absolutely hear another motor kick in (sounds more powerful and a bit more noisy than the draining motor.)
I figured out that I have to stick a knife in the hole where the spin lock is. It will not agitate or spin with the lid open (I hate that!)
Back to the indexing tub, I notice that the counter clockwise agitation movement is a shorter stroke than the clockwise one. And, the counter cw doesn't do a full stroke as the CW, so if you put a marker on the top of the agitator you will gradually see it counter cw move all the way around in about 10 or 12 strokes. In general, the whole load moves in a circular fashion counter cw. I have yet to see any rollover.
Anyway, I'm pleased with that purchase except it sticks out 4 inches from the end of the wall in it's cubby.
I would like to see vid's of yours. Wish I could show you mine but I don't even have a camera.
C'villewasherboi
It doesn't fill up all the way on Large--leaves 4 holes from the top. The tub is an indexing one (I hadn't personally seen one of those since I was a kid and saw a signature by Norge with the burpilator filter). Anyway, the warm rinse is deceptive on mine too.
The dryer seems to take a very long time to dry towels. The machine is very quiet when spinning. I'm sure that there are two motors in the washer. The second one is for draining, as when the spin starts I can absolutely hear another motor kick in (sounds more powerful and a bit more noisy than the draining motor.)
I figured out that I have to stick a knife in the hole where the spin lock is. It will not agitate or spin with the lid open (I hate that!)
Back to the indexing tub, I notice that the counter clockwise agitation movement is a shorter stroke than the clockwise one. And, the counter cw doesn't do a full stroke as the CW, so if you put a marker on the top of the agitator you will gradually see it counter cw move all the way around in about 10 or 12 strokes. In general, the whole load moves in a circular fashion counter cw. I have yet to see any rollover.
Anyway, I'm pleased with that purchase except it sticks out 4 inches from the end of the wall in it's cubby.
I would like to see vid's of yours. Wish I could show you mine but I don't even have a camera.
C'villewasherboi
golittlesport
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Hi Eugene
Love your laundry room....it looks so cool with all three machines matching. That's the perfect world - a TL, a FL and matching dryer! It's cool how they combined the extra rinse and cycle signal controls. Where does the water enter the tub? Thanks for the pictures.
Love your laundry room....it looks so cool with all three machines matching. That's the perfect world - a TL, a FL and matching dryer! It's cool how they combined the extra rinse and cycle signal controls. Where does the water enter the tub? Thanks for the pictures.
Rich--Water enters in a 4-inch (or so) wide pressurized waterfall at 12:00. I'll post a pic later. I took a snap of it filling yesterday but didn't post it.
Courtney-- The indexing on my machine works just the opposite; the counter-clockwise stroke is the long one and the clockwise stroke is the shorter one. If there are no clothes in the tub the strokes are nearly equal in length. The larger the load, the shorter the clockwise stroke. In fact, at lower water levels, it's the counter-clockwise stroke that seems to facilitiate the rollover more than the clockwise stroke.
Courtney-- The indexing on my machine works just the opposite; the counter-clockwise stroke is the long one and the clockwise stroke is the shorter one. If there are no clothes in the tub the strokes are nearly equal in length. The larger the load, the shorter the clockwise stroke. In fact, at lower water levels, it's the counter-clockwise stroke that seems to facilitiate the rollover more than the clockwise stroke.
Congratulations on that TL. It's great how those three appliances match. All three of them have a big dial and four smaller ones, I like that. Looking forward to more reports and I would love to see a movie.
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