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Hmm... stains still there

The Ecover boil wash didn't work after all. When I took everything out of the dryer, I realized the wash cloth stains don't seem to have changed. I guess it just looked less pronounced when it was wet.

I'm going to save them for when the Persil arrives and see how that does...
 
They've been through the dryer so many times, I think it's pretty much permanent at this point!

So much the better challenge for the Persil??? ;)
 
Persil actic power ....

Wow, I just discovered we too have also our own Persil Actic Power,
but in Italy they don't dare to claim it washes @ just 15°C. Nobody would go lower than warm no matter

Dixan Action Power
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We had not enough Dixan versions yet ;) . Classic Dixan :

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regular Dixan Lavender :

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Dixan Eucalyptus ... Vicks Vapo Rub and detergent all in one ! ;) :

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There are also the colour version (hopefully just one scent), the "active ash" version and the talcum powder scent version .....
Here Megaperls were discontinued round ten years ago, as they didn't catch
As for Vernel there are too many scents and also a useless so-called "powdered fabric softener" aka Vernel Crystals

http://www.persil.de
 
TSP

Find some TSP - there are a few places that still sell it. Strips the grey out. Use a cup (more or less depending on your machine) on a hot wash and any extra soak setting you have. I have had great success with this.
 
The general rule of thumb is that it will take as many washes with proper detergent and water temp to get the gray stains/oils/residue out of the clothing, etc as it did to get them there in the first place.

Use hot water, good detergent(I've always used Tide)and add some phosphate to the wash.

They will get white again but it will take time.
 
Persil does work the best as well asn the SA-8

That has been my expierience. Even at the lower temps, which I as well as everyone has tried. Trial and error. Even at 140(hot) it worked.Sometimes, even with a good detergent, you should pre-treat. I washed a load on sanitize,granted it was a big load of white sheets and towels, and one of my favorate shirts. When the stain did not come out of my shirt, I put pre treater on it, and presto! My favorate 12 year old shirt is totally white again. I have found that some things get whiter everytime it is washed. It nay take a few times; depending on how many times it is washed and dried. When I first bought my Miele, it was time to see what it could do.
 
~Only hold soil in suspension for half an hour
Do you know this from experience, or did someone tell you, or did you read it somewhere (where?).

This was from an old laundering guide. I think it was by Maytag. Sent away decades ago with a SASE (self-addressed stamped envelope) and a few dollars.
 
When I wash things

I guess I aproach it with soaking. My machine has only one setting for a soak.This is two hours. I will admit, I will look in on the load to give it my best guess. Before I had a soak, I would put it in a bucket overnight. So some expierience, however,I am open to learn myself if something works better. I Love to do laundry, I want to keep getting better at it. :)
 
Dixan

I have been using Dixan Multicolor liquid in my Miele W 3985 and I must say its one of my favorite detergents at the moment for coloureds. There is an italian supermarket in Melbourne which sell lots of italian washing detergents. I have Perlana (Perwoll) and its great on my wollen jumpers and the smell is great. I have also used Dash powder for the whites. They don't have Dixan powder yet. It reminds me when I was in Italy and my grandma would swear by Dixan. I have also Miele CareCollection detergents as well, they all work great also and rinse out very easily as they contain no zeolites and the smell is not very strong.
 
Togs

So you add detergent to the prewash, and then another to the soak cycle and then another to main wash? I'm guessing using less as you go?

Also, what if you're a loser (like me) and can't do a boil wash? Use hot water? I'm trying to figure this out too with getting the yuck off the wash cloths and towels. I know the Oasis is a good cleaner. One of it's cycles (Whitest Whites) does a prewash and a main wash. I can add a soak if possible but I will need to add detergent as it goes through the cycles.

As I remember on the Kenmore 800 there was a switch for automatic prewash/presoak/main wash. If you flipped it on, it will run through all the way. If you flipped it off (LOL), it will stop at the end of each so you can add more soap.
 
Jason,
that's why Miele uses the same water of the main wash to soak. the manual suggestes to use the automatic soak option rather than the prewash : to save water detergent and power. With the soak option engaged it fills, tumbles for round ten minutes heating water up to 85 °F, then sits soaking, with 3 tumbles every 10 minutes up to two hours. then it starts the main wash with the same water (regular tumbling patterns, heat up to target temp ...)
In my novotronic one can choose the soak OR the prewash, NOT both of them in the meanwhile
 
The new Mieles with the Stains option carry out an automatic 'intensive soak' when you select some of the stain types (e.g. oil/fat etc.). It's more intensive than the traditional soak as tumbling takes place every minute or so. The duration of this phase depends on the type(s) of stains selected. The wash temperature is also increased by a few degrees depending again on the stain type
 
My recipe for whites that glisten is:

Turn on washer with HOT water. As it is filling, add bluing and chlorine bleach.
If you can get detergent with phosphates such as Mexican detergent, or purchase sodium tri poly phosphate from the
chemistry store online.

Then your whites will glisten.

Ross
 
The OP has a self heating euro frontloader

So toploader tips don't apply in this case.

Also adding LCB while filling is not the best idea : chlorine weakens the detergent and viceversa, no matter of front/top/side/anywhereloader :)

Not a case commercial laundering has a wash bath, then a bleach bath on already partially rinsed items
 
As it is filling, add bluing and chlorine bleach.

Do you really want bleach and bluing in the same bath?
I thought that bluing should go in the rinse, as it will react with the detergent and bleach. Has me Mum been wrong all these years?
 
OP checking back in

I love how much I'm learning about laundry here. Favorit, you are an incredible fount of knowledge. I think I'll use my newfound ability to customize my Miele options to shorten the soak from 2 hours to 1 hr (or maybe even just 30 minutes) and use that instead of prewash to save water and power. Never even thought of that before reading it in your post.

Still waiting on the Persil powder to arrive. My plan is to try that first, and if it doesn't work on those pesky wash cloths, will try some of the other suggestions here.

Questions:
1) What is TSP? (My inexpert googling is yielding a lot of non-laundry related terms...)
2) And SA-8?
 

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