Political: *Now* I have a choice

[Cybrvanr]

Here's an interesting twist...Obama is getting a bump in the polls because McCain went to Washington and stopped the bailout. Now, from what I have been hearing, and the word of mouth around my circle, the American public does not want their tax money going to bail out Wall street. McCain apparently is stopping this from happening (obviously, this is a perfect demonstration that he's not a "Bush" cronie)

So what gives with these polls?!??! In the simplistic sense, it sounds like McCain did what people wanted, you gotta give 'em credit for that!

 

[jeffg]

McCain stopped the bailout? Who told you that?

Wait, I bet it's the same people who told you Bill Clinton is responsible for the housing meltdown.

You really need some new sources for news.

 

[jaxsunst]

Greg,
I haven't listen to Rachel outside of her being on Keith O's show. I like her when she is on Keith O's show. Plus, she is HOT HOT HOT (I know, I know, but one can dream). I think her show's audio (like Keith's) is available as a podcast. I will check it out.

Stephanie is my favorite. She keeps it funny enough so you don't cry over all that is going on. Sirius cut her show down to one hour so I have to get her through the podcast (only $4.95 a month if you buy a year in advance, *ding*). Same with Randy, there is no progressive talk radio in the conservative cesspool of Tennessee.

BTW, did you hear "The Ex-Beauty Queen has Got a Gun" on Stephanie's Thursday Show? It has to be one of the funniest things I have ever, ever heard.

 

[bajaespuma]

Vote with your brain and your conscience; but VOTE!

Don't get me started.

 

[lightedcontrols]

Take a look...

Hi Jason!

Doesn't matter how you vote, just vote intellegently! Here's some info for you to take a look at verified by Snopes.

The importance of voting this year continues to be more visible.........




According to Snopes.com, Princeton was requested to put a 'restriction' on distribution
of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson) saying
it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a
political website they decided they would lift the restriction.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp
Subj: Thesis - Michele Obama aka Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
OBAMA'S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on 'crime and hatred'.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. The
1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was
written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it often
seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported
by a fellow black classmate, 'If those 'Whites at Princeton ' really saw Michelle
as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that
impression'.
Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms 'separationist' and
'integrationist' when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a 'separationist' view of race.
'By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as
a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation
of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an
integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.'
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to
her 'further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure
that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full
participant.'
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but
she elevates black over white in her world.

Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black
community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize
all of my present and future resources to benefit the black
community first and foremost.'
What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first
lady that will elevate black over white in America ?
The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action
policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
'Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically
designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of
their enrollments.'

The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students
at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than
celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common
American culture more than they value the color of their skin. 'I hoped that
these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of
identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational
path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a
certain level of identification with the black community. However, these
findings do not support this possibility.'
Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?
Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see
Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted
with one another.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and
world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very
divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold
damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama
administration.

Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all
Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously
racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.
PS: We paid for her scholarship, and one more thing. Pres. Bill Clinton appointed he head of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae in the late 90's. Their greedy, crooked leadership created this economic meltdown that has finally caught up with all of us.

Mark Lightedcontrols

 

[lightedcontrols]

If you would like to read her thesis for yourself...

i've posted a link. Mark

 

[jeffg]

> Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

What gives me pause for concern is the mortally wounded and increasingly desperate far right-wing in America:

"Much scrutiny and discussion has been focused on a single phrase contained within the thesis, the statement that "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." This phrase has repeatedly been quoted out of context and presented as if it reflected Michelle Obama's own philosophy, but in its full context it is clearly her speculation about what she thought some of the respondents she surveyed for her thesis (i.e., students who had attended Princeton in earlier years) might have been feeling.."

Was Michelle Obama's Thesis Restricted Until After the 2008 Election?

Has access to Michelle Obama's senior thesis been restricted until after the 2008 presidential election?

www.snopes.com

 

[lightedcontrols]

JeffG

So that things would not be taken out of context, I posted the link to her Thesis. Read it for yourself. You can read. No?

 

[jeffg]

I can manage to engage in political discussions without personal attacks.

That little box you find yourself in is getting smaller every day, Mark. Keep up the good work!

WH2008: General

 

[jeffg]

And to correct Mark's outrageous misinformation, for anyone intereted in truth as opposed to right-wing lies:

Her senior thesis doesn't say that

A chain e-mail about Michelle Obama purports to be excerpts from a senior thesis she wrote while at Princeton University.

It's true that Obama, then Michelle Robinson, attended Princeton and wrote a thesis titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community."

In Obama's thesis, she sought to quantify how the attitudes of black Princeton alumni changed after graduation in regard to race relations and social change. Obama was especially interested in the attitudes of Princeton alumni in regard to improving the lives of lower-income blacks.

To document the change in attitudes, Obama devised an 18-question survey and mailed it to black alumni. Her thesis is a discussion of her methodology and an analysis of the results. It contains a limited amount of personal opinion in the introduction.

But the thesis did not say that the United States was founded on "crime and hatred" and that whites in America are "ineradicably racist." This appears to be a complete fabrication.

The thesis is available on the Internet; the politics news site Politico reported on it in February 2008 and posted a copy it had obtained from Princeton University.

We downloaded a copy, which appears to be complete with no numbered pages missing. We read it, but we did not find the phrases the e-mail describes.

We took the additional step of scanning the document through optical character recognition software so we could search its text electronically. An automated search did not find the words "crime," "hatred," "hate," "ineradicably," or "racist" in the document.

The e-mail goes on to list some accurate quotes from the thesis, but its initial accusations are fiction. The words "crime and hatred" and "ineradicably racist" are inventions of whoever penned the e-mail, not words that appeared in Obama's thesis. Because of that fabrication and the e-mail's intention to defame the Obamas, we rate this claim Pants on Fire!

Her senior thesis doesn't say that

A chain e-mail about Michelle Obama purports to be excerpts from a senior thesis she wrote while at Princeton University

www.politifact.com

 

[gansky1]

Maybe you're the problem?

This is Your Nation on White Privilege
September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
This is Your Nation on White Privilege
By Tim Wise

For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because 'every family has challenges,' even as black and Latino families with similar 'challenges' are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a 'fuckin' redneck,' like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll 'kick their fuckin' ass,' and talk about how you like to 'shoot shit' for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy ( and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're 'untested.'


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words 'under God' in the pledge of allegiance because 'if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me,' and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the 'under God' part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was 'Alaska first,' and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a 'second look.'


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a 'trick question,' while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a 'light' burden.


And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, jus t because white voters aren't sure about that whole 'change' thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

 

[gansky1]

Last night on Bill Maher - White Prejudice

Listen to this - really listen!

 

[charbee]

Oh, please...

...this just in from the warm and fuzzy and pink and lovely world of "Scary-bou Barbie"...whew...:

The Witch Hunter Anoints Sarah Palin

<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/the-witch-hunter-anoints_b_128805.html"><img alt="2008-09-24-sarahvideo.jpg" src="http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-24-sarahvideo.jpg" width="222" height="85" /></a>By the end of the second day of Thomas Muthee's sermons at Wasilla...

www.huffingtonpost.com

 

[jeffg]

Gansky, thanks for that post, and link. These past eight years have been as big a nightmare as I knew they would be. I knew exactly what we were in for, when I saw all those white gool 'ol boy cowboy hats being waved during the 2000 RNC.

But now, as the VRWC collapses under the weight of its own corruption, greed and evil, and as Ronald Reagan's coattails are finally relegated to the dustbin of history, if the worst thing we have to deal with is a fake $700 billion "bailout" -- the sole intent of which is to put our next president and congress in an economic hole they can't immediately get out of -- I'll consider us very, *very* lucky. At least civilization will have survived. The jury is still out on that one though. I pray we survive until January 20, 2009.

 

[mattl]

23 year old thesis.

So, some "group" digs up a student's thesis from 23 years ago. Tell me, do you stand by everything you wrote when you where in college? At that age we are all impressionable, and driven for one cause or another, do any of us still have the same feelings and passion today? I for one don't. Times, attitudes and social structure change, and we hope people do the same.

Michelle's thesis reflects the world she grew up in, just as my writing at that age reflects my social situation.

I challenge anyone to find anything McCain wrote at that point in his life. He never went to a standard collage, He barley graduated from the Naval Academy, was as much or more of a party dude than Bush, and is not know for insight or deep thinking. So I guess we should hold him to the same standard as Michelle, in that case he fails miserably.

 

[jeffg]

Matt, have you read her thesis? While I wouldn't call it brilliant, IMO Michelle has nothing to apologize for. She was attempting to explain and speak against the separationist tendency among many black Americans during the 1970's. Lots of us are too young to remember the Black Panther era.

This chain email was (and is) targeted specifically for the likes of Mark, who blindly parrot whatever he's told by Sean Hannity, and who're desperately trying to bolster a failed campaign.

 

[sudsmaster]

It sort of sad that there are still so many people who when confronted with something more complicated than the breakfast menu at McDonald's will take things out of context and then draw completely the wrong conclusions.

I bet they wouldn't be expecting McDonald's to just sell them the sausage patty out of a McWhatever, and pay only 1/2 the price.

Or would they?

How about just one fry? How much would that cost?

In other words, these people waste our valuable time.

 

[lightedcontrols]

California...

...land of MAKE BELIEVE, Raisins, and PRUNES.... which most Californian's doen't eat enough of, since they are always so full of shit. Mark

 

[jaxsunst]

hey, Hey, HEY!!!!!!

Let's keep this one civil.

 

[rickr]

California...
...land of MAKE BELIEVE, Raisins, and PRUNES.... which most Californian's doen't eat enough of, since they are always so full of shit. Mark

This doesn't even make sense. Has nothing to do with the topic either. Very childish.