PROOF That H.E. Washers DON'T Save Water!

[Chetlaham]

Came across this. As much as I wish it were true, my personal observation is that his conclusion is flat out wrong. For one a top load washer with clothes will fill with less water as the clothes displace said water triggering the pressure switch on actual water level height- not measured gallons. Second- the HE washer. That is not an HE fill. A deep fill yes- but not an HE fill. No HE fill uses that much water. Further multiplying by two is also incorrect even for a deep fill in that on many HE machines the rinse is a spray rinse rather than a second deep fill. All in all the second video is seriously flawed and the conclusions reached in the first one are wrong. The comments agreeing are disheartening. Would not surprise me if ones call the video out as wrong were deleted as I see few to none.

 

[Chetlaham]

And FWIW, can someone inject some truth and likes into the comment section? Hate to see average folks being mislead.

"11 treehuggers had a stroke after watching this video."

Um no, perhaps they know your conclusion is wrong?

"jaykay18 America has many stupid traditions aside from washing machine designs and imperial system..."

"Don't go bashing another country if you don't live there." (3 like)

Well guess what, I live here so therefore I can bash. HE machines run on HE cycles use less water than traditional top load machines. Europe got that right, US has it wrong in that regard. Instead of totting an ego, maybe you can lower your defense mechanisms and learn something?

Rant over- just hate seeing the subversion of truth.

 

[frigilux]

Saw either this video or one similar a few months ago. The tub in the HE washer is much larger than the tub in the traditional machine. Of course it's going to take more water to fill it.  

 

[Chetlaham]

Yes- with deep selected (if present). But on an HE or auto sense cycle- I doubt it will be anywhere near that.

 

[joeypete]

HE washers have morphed a bit in the last couple of years to be more versatile, probably due to consumer complaints. Seems as though now you can pick HE or non-HE on most machines, at least for certain cycles. But I think most washers that offer auto load sensing are considered HE machines, in the sense that they don't use more water by default.

I've had my FP WashSmart for almost a month now and its technically not considered an HE machine. It does offer auto load sensing AND manual control. The auto sensing def uses less water and when combined with the spray rinse, uses A LOT less water. It basically fills with just enough water to suspend the items, and I wouldn't compare it to typical HE water levels. It uses more water. Wash action is noticeably different using auto...it looks more like the GE Hydrowave...moving clothes side to side, then down, rollover is therefore slower...where as using manual water level it has traditional wash action, more downward and back up.

I don't watch most of the videos like you posted. I find these people to be a bit fanatically about disproving anything modern. It gets old. :-/

 

[vacerator]

Especially top load HE washers

do not save water, unless the efficiency cycle is used. Then you can't load much in. So, by having to do more loads, no they don't save water.
My 3.6 cubic ft. HE washer's specs say a bulky cycle load uses 52 gallons. The larger the tub, the more water it will use.

Since my normal cycle no longer works properly by only filling to the top of the impeller fins, but rather a half tub of water, I use the hand wash cycle which fills a third tub full. I've tried larger loads on the bulky cycle, which fills all the way to the top, and the laundry floats with little roll over.

It used to also pulse slow spin fill, now static fill, except on rinse. It's a late 2010 model
Whirltag Bravos X VMW product.
Maybe they've improved the load sensing system by now. If not, next time I'll just buy the bottom line model with 4 water levels and a full up agitator, except those don't fit larger blankets or comforters.
I had an extended warranty, so the gear case was replaced in winter of 2014.
Otherwise, at the black Friday price we paid, it would already be history. I think eco friendly means shred and recycle. More energy has to also be used to do that. We needed a new dryer, and the set was on sale. We figured our 20 plus year old Maytag that never had a repair would need one, or replacement soon. Do the math. Which company is out of business? Even when a Maytag costed more than a Whirlpool washer back in the day, long term, they likely saved the consumer money in repairs.

 

[yogitunes]

JoeyPete is right.....this gets old.....

this is one subject that will go on and on like beating a dead horse....

no one is going to change my mind, no more than someone trying to change yours...

we do our own investigations, come to our own conclusions, and leave it at that....

you either like it, or you don't.....

you can't call any machine an HE if your not operating in HE MODE!....

my Cabrio has an EcoMonitor, there are four lights....as 'Normal' is selected and specific defaults are in place....as you start to add options, hot wash, deep fill wash and rinse, etc, the lights start going off, and your heading towards poor energy savings....

YMMV

 

[appnut]

The only washers that are supposed to clean worth a dam and be still HE machines are fronmt loaders.  Top load "HE" machines are a joke. 

 

[ea56]

Thank you Joeypete and Martin! This is a topic that will never be resolved for those that don’t like HE TL’s.

So, if you don’t like them, don’t but one!

I am confused though why there are so many complaints about these washers using so much water on Deep Fill? I would think that if the haters of this type of washer would be happy that there was an option for filling with more water when it is neccesary, seems like the best of both worlds to me.

Its not always necessary to have a complete deep fill with the way these machines are designed to operate. I find that my Maytag Centennial HE TL does an excellent job cleaning all types of loads, due to its adapatability and flexibility. I can wash 2 kingsize pillows at once, or a kingsize heavy bedspread or comforter and these all come at spotlessly clean.

So if you haven’t tried one, don’t knock it, you may be pleasantly surprised one day when you finally do use one.

I wouldn’t think of dissing your choice of brand or style of washer. Use what is best for you and enjoy them, its still a free country.

And this statement was meant with no disrespect.
Eddie

 

[washman]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

 

[ea56]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

I couldn’t agree with you more, especially when the mind is closed to anything new.
Eddie

 

[murando531]

People only want to gripe for the sake of griping. It doesn't matter how much logic they're presented with. This is especially true with our current political climate. HE washers of both types work perfectly fine, if the user has enough common sense to operate them properly.

 

[DADoES]

 
Love my Calypso, granddaddy of the modern HE toploader.

 

[lotsosudz]

I Agree with Bob

When you look at true water saving, a front load is your best bet! I think that HE top load machines, are in some way, a way to wean TL users over to the idea of saving water. But clearly they are a far cry away from the perfect idea of water conservation! Just Say'in.
Hugs, David

 

[Chetlaham]

I know certain cycles will force an HE toploader to use almost as much as classic toploader- but this guy makes it sound like its the case for everything. Very misleading. And yes- part of the HE problem is that people just don't get them.

 

[dartman]

All I know is my water usage dropped significantly when I upgraded to my 28102 Kenmore and my clothes get clean. I needed to save money on my overpriced water bill and being much bigger capacity and quieter is a bonus. I agree too many folks have a automatic bias against anything new and look for ways to make it seem bad. If that's the way everything works we'd still be driving model T cars and using wringer washers.

 

[vacerator]

Wise old adage;

"You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of them all of the time."

As for politics, I agree it's disgusting. Maybe I think too much, but there should never be two candidates from the same state. They also were not very opposed to one another at the third wedding. Their children are friends since high school and also married men who are friends.
So there, hash that for a while. Maybe we were all played.
Charles De Gull said this; "The politician poses as a servant in order to become the master."
Everyone recall the market crash of October 1989? Not born yet? I lost my shirt.
Recall the tax cut of 2004? Lots of job creation follow? Nope! A recession did though. By late 2005, ten percent of us were already affected.
Here is too the best of everything in the new year! Live long, and prosper!

Speaking of brains, my better half's former boss left last June. The new one doesn't know the job, and is constantly asking him for help, and wants the team to monitor each other, which is her job. They confer she may have had a poor review. You can not, or should not sit in a chair position when you are incompetent and omnipotent. Delegation does have limits. It is wrong to take credit for a job others do, and or the compensation. Also the tram is all salaried, with no overtime, and this will add to their work loads while subtracting from hers.
I think they are all going to appeal to her superior.
Everyone answers to someone. Even the dude at the top.

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Closed minds, but somehow open mouths...

-- Dave

 

[washman]

I have common sense.

 

I think.