Raytheon/Goodman Amana

[gelaundry4ever]

to John (combo52)...

This is not true. The Speed Queen Commercial machines at my apartment are superior to any whirlpool washer in every way. My clothes are much cleaner and they actually fill up all the way, unlike the so-called Maytag "commercial" at my dorm at SFA. And yes, these were whirlpool direct drives with the Maytag name slapped onto them.[this post was last edited: 8/2/2024-14:04]

 

[Chetlaham]

Reply 10- Experience Says Otherwise



"I always hate hulling away a 20 YO WP or KM DD washer and installing a new SQ knowing that I am hulling away a better performing washer than the new one I am installing.   John."



 



 



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<strong><strong><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">I left my new DD behind for a reason.  </span></strong></strong></span></strong>



 



<strong><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">As someone who has used 3 previous direct drives prior to purchasing my Speed Queen and a direct drive 70 series Kenmore in the early to mid 90s, I can tell that my current Speed Queen is better performing in every way. The direct drives were either to gentle on slow or to rough on fast and produced a lot of lint. The DDs were responsible for pilling, abrasions and some tears. My Speed Queen provides a better deep thorough cleaning with less wear, produces less lint, no tears, no abrasions, leaves behind way less lint and particles, no scum rings, equal water extraction and comparable rinsing. Superior balancing by far. Overall the Speed Queen is a much more luxurious experience with better cleaning results. Also the machine doesn't sound like the parts are trying to break every time they engage or shift modes. </span></strong></strong></span>



 



<strong><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Neutral draining leaves scum rings around the tub and agi, more particles, and wrinkles clothes by forcing them into a compacted doughnut at the bottom of the wash tub instead of spreading them evenly out across the walls of the wash-basket. </span></strong></strong></span>



 



<strong><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Speed Queen is far better at cleaning, performance, noise, balancing and clothing care. I wouldn't want to trade my Speed Queen for a direct drive. </span></strong></strong></span>



 



<strong><strong><strong><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Those customers know what they want and need. </span></strong></strong></span></strong></strong>

 

[Chetlaham]

Reply 12

Exactly my thoughts and experience! Do we know each other lol?

 

The neutral drain causes scum buildup over time in the machine where as my Speed Queen essentially self cleans every time it drains.

 

[william8]

Really????

Reviving an 11 year old thread again? To disagree about an 11 year old opinion.
Get a life.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

I don't know you, but that doesn't mean we have to either. All it takes is experience. whirlpool better than Speed Queen Classic? Really? I don't think so! The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[william8]

ge

All I know about you, is that you like to revive very old threads to repeat the same crap again and again. I know how well my TC5 works, and it wasn't available in 2013 when this thread started!

And you don't appear to own any of your own appliances. How much experience can you really have?

 

[Chetlaham]

 

 

Jerome, we both know each other well. I was referring mtn1584's reply- he has made the same, identical observations. Same with you and me. We've both used Direct drives, Speed Queens and a variety of other washers. The results of each machine speak for themselves.

 

@william8: Forgive us. Speed Queen classic did exist in 2013. I have a late 2013 model myself, best washer I've ever had. What marred the Speed Queen design wasn't performance rather all the seal failures and cheap components in the late 90s to the late 2000s before Alliance re-engineered the washer. It was in that period of time that the Amana design that pushed more customers toward the DDs. Had the Amana design been what Speed Queen is today it would have caught on and Maytag might have actually survived.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

To back up what chetlaham said...

I also have the coin-op commercial variant of the Speed Queen Classic Commercial machines and they do a superb job. The trick is to always use the heavy soil setting on the normal cycle. It gives a real rinse. I use fabric softener anyway. Let me tell you, it cleaned better than the Maytag direct drive by Whirlpool ever did in Griffith Hall where I stayed at SFA when I was a student there. The large load on that machine didn't fill all the way which made things worse, and the agitator was violent. I had to go to the laundromat just down the street if I wanted real results. Not anymore.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to william8

I don't need to own any of them. I have used these machines myself to come up with my own conclusions.

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, was this the DD agi?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In any case, I'm sorry you had to experience that Jerome. The short fast strokes and the one piece agi are brutal. Every time I see that agi I get a bad walking on sharp rocks barefoot type ASMR. Its not a nice agi. Speed Queen on the other hand doesn't beat-pull-stretch-abraid- it pulls clothes in and toward the bottom in a pull-pull motion. Overall much gentler. It kind of reminds me of Maytag's power fin agitator that uses the power of water to move and roll clothes over. Maytag knew what they were doing. Had they a longer wash time I think they could have competed with Whirlpool. As for Speed Queen it beats Whirlpool. Much better cleaning with reduced wear on clothes.   

 

I feel sorry for all those BOL WP/Kenmore owners and commercial users who were punished for being economy conscious with having to buy clothes more often.   

 

Speed Queen could've done a Dual Action Agitator, but remember, more to break. The dogs tended to fail over time on WP machine. No such on Speed Queen.

 

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

I believe it was the one for the commercial side that could be found on the Kenmore models. Needless to say, my clothes feel better in the Speed Queen. The dorm dryers didn't dry worth stupid crap, even when everything was clear and on whites/colors setting. Mind you, that was the highest setting. The "large" load setting was a joke because it filled halfway. My friend who I went to church with told me about the water level, and boy was he correct. The Speed Queen Laundry units actually fill up with water completely, and dry right the first time on high heat. Call me old school, but I know how laundry should get done.

 

[Chetlaham]

Not old school, just obvious common sense. If you want to save water and energy go front load, there is only so much a top loader can do with energy regs before it becomes impossible to obtain great results.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

insult to injury

To add insult to injury, the Maytags on the dorm were only single speed. The agitation was brutal and there was no spray rinse on top of that. The longest agitation time was 10 minutes. My clothes didn't smell fresh in the Maytag machines. The Speed Queen Laundry machines were a completely different story.

 

[Chetlaham]

Do you remember the model number of those Maytags? I'd like to see the cycle and design for the sake of curiosity. And how much control the owner has over water level.

 

[kalanikaau1]

Reply# 11

I resonate your views on a SQ machine, having just restored a 2018 model.

In doing so I discovered that the machine is very robustly designed and constructed and agree with SQ having solved the outer drum leakage issue, the 3M sealant they specify to seal the drum to the seal appears to be formulated for severe marine applications. I also appreciate the fact that the outer drum is constructed from porcelain coated steel, I abhor plastic drums for the reason you cited.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

maytag models for chetlaham

I believe they were the mat15mnaww. I don't remember right off hand, but they had a load size selector, cycle selector with 6 cycles, and a mechanical timer. The cycles were: whites, colors, bright colors, permanent press, knits/delicates, and woolens. It was a single speed unit. It was the Maytag Energy Advantage.

 

[powerfin64]

situation normal, not surprised at all by his mentality. This is reason why he is blocked.

 

[william8]

blocked

Even when blocked, the 10 or 15 year old posts still move to the top...

 

[Chetlaham]

Perhaps Jerome just wants to be heard with tolerance and acceptance instead of being ignored? I can't imagine the type of personality it takes to block someone over differing experiences.

 

I take neither of you two have ever had to wash clothes will only half a tub of water, with a brutalist agitator at 180 strokes per minute. 

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, my sincerest apologies for having experienced those Maytags. I understand your sentiment now.  I found the tech sheet- there is a 3 position water level switch for small, medium and large. Apparently the normal selection of the load size switch is connected to the medium fill pressure contact; with the large fill contact <span style="text-decoration: underline;">NOT</span> being utilized! On units used outside the United States users can connect the normal section switch to the large fill contact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Energy regs at work, where Whirlpool literally wired the machine to fill half way in both the wash and rinse. No spray rinse. Yet outside of the United States where freedom and true American values prevail, users can experience a full tub of water.

 

Whirlpool literally found a way to damage clothing. I'm sorry Jerome, now I understand why you feel the way you do. Hopefully others here can understand and empathize.