RCA Console

[lightedcontrols]

Cleaning out the warehouse so this has to go! Paid $25 at the Goodwill store. It's only problem is that the changer doesn't shut off after the last record and it has a broken knob. Sounds great!!! If you're interested, let me know. Mark

 

[lightedcontrols]

Here's the inside!

The needle is good and actually looks new. Mark

 

[fonografmaniac]

nice set! i think it was made in 1968.

 

[jasonl]

Which knob is broke off? Looks all there to me.

 

[jasonl]

RCA's record changers

Are those made by the same factory as the GE changers?

 

[jaxsunst]

I remember one of my aunts had a tv/stereo combo console with this changer in it. I remember it had an unusual 45 adaptor.

 

[jasonl]

I think those are the "studio series" changers that supposed to have an integrated circuit in the pickup. Not sure what it was s'posed to do but RCA advertised it in their ads.

That would be a good machine for country and Christmas music.

 

[fonografmaniac]

integrated circuit in the pickup

sounds like is has a magnetic pickup maybe a preamp, but can't be too sure.

 

[lightedcontrols]

Here's the commercial for this changer!

Here's the commercial for this changer.
Jason, The Bass knob is broken, I've just got it stuck on there. Mark

 

[whirlcool]

A lifetime guarantee on the stereo stylu?

Oh, those poor records!

 

[tolivac]

I wonder if the 10yr warranty RCA offered at that time was for the phono cartridge and the IC headshell preamp.Sadly the op-amp IC's at that time were pretty lousy-but was unique.The audiophiles of today use separate phono preamps-but not in the headshell of the tone arm.The idea of it in the TT isn't a bad one-amplify that low level source at the source for less noise.The IC's of today should be supurb for that duty.

 

[fonografmaniac]

i was right 1968. i'm still questioning about the ic. i can't really tell if cart is cer or mag. i saw an rca console in goodwill with that same changer with the cart hanging out. it had a metal casing and i didn't really examine it like that, but i assumed it was ceramic because magnentic carts don't have the flipover stylus and the rubber yoke. next time i see an rca changer i'll double check.

 

[whirlcool]

I think in the 60's and 70's most mainstream manufacturers (GE, Magnavox, Zenith, RCA, etc.) used ceramic cartridges in their home console stereos.
I think that in order to get a magnetic cartridge you had to step up to component stereo such as Dual, Gerrard, Miracord or Thorens and the like.

 

[fonografmaniac]

they're some high-end console that have magnetic carts in it. here's an high-end hh scott unit, but the record changer is missing and itz the type of unit you would find a mag cart in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/H-H-SCOTT-Conso...ryZ73369QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[whirlcool]

I didn't know that HH Scott made consoles. That one is a beauty.
Dual also OEM'ed a bunch of their turntables to console makers like Grundig, Saba and the like.

 

[tolivac]

Grundigs Tt's were usually made by Perpetuum Ebner.Used to have a TT made by them-was pretty nice.PE made changers-TT's for Grundig and offered them as seperate components in the Hi-Fi trade thru dealers.
The criterians for a TT to handle magnetic cartridges were-non magnetic platter-otherwise the magnets in the cartridge would be drawn to the platter effecting tracking.TT motor magnetically sheilded or mounted in an area under the motorboard where the tonearm does not track over the motor causing hum.and the tonearm must be able to use the lighter tracking forces that the magnetic cartridge requres.Any TT brand made TT's for magnetic cartridges.Grado made a magnetic cartridge for changers-it could handle the higher tracking forces.A magnetic phono preamp had to be added to the system to provide additional gain for the magnetics lower output.Both HH Scott and Fisher made Hi-fi consoles.Other hi-end console brands were Packard Bell-remember them?and Curtus Mathes.

 

[fonografmaniac]

fisher console

here's 1964 fisher console with a garrard tt. i think it might be a tube unit.

 

[whirlcool]

Perpetuum Ebner was owned by Dual Gebruder Steidinger. They initially started out as a competitor, but Dual bought them up and their basic design is the same as Duals are.
I occasionally get requests for PE turntable info, I have a few of their Service Manuals.

 

[jasonl]

Whirlcool

Do you have any service info on the Dual 1006?

 

[whirlcool]

What do you need to know about the 1006? I have sources who can get you this info. What is wrong with your 1006?
Parts for the 1000 series are becoming as rare as hens teeth. There are a few parts available for the 1019, but that's about it.

 

[jasonl]

What I need is the idlers reconditioned, mech lubed and adjusted, the rubber mounts on the spindle, and the rubbers for the feeler wheels in the tonearm. I can do the idlers myself by cleaning them, they're in good shape still, but I need to get the other stuff done so it will work automatically.

 

[sudsmaster]

I have found that if you keep your vinyl very clean, that stylii last a lot longer. For a time I also used a product called LAST, which you sprayed on the vinyl and was supposed to act as a lubricant for the needle. It didn't seem to hurt anything.

I have noticed also that ceramic cartridges sound muddy when compared to a good magnetic pickup. Part of that is probably the spherical vs. elliptical stylus, part of it is probably the magnetic vs ceramic action.

 

[jasonl]

Some magnetic cartidges have conical stylii, but the ellipticals sound MUCH better. The magnetics have more even frequency response than ceramic, mostly in the high range.

The Shure M7D on my Dual 1006 has a conical stylus and when I got the Dual to spin the other day, it sounded fine (although way off speed).

 

[sudsmaster]

I have two ceramic equipped phono - a mid 60's solid state Magnavox console, and a mid-60's KLH portable Model 11. The KLH hasn't worked in years (blown capacitor/blown output transistors), but as I recall it sounded muddy compared to my Denon turntable. The Magnovox has great base response but the highs just can't compare to the Denon. And it sounds basically muddy in comparison. I tried a few different needles, and nothing really fixed it. The FM stereo sounds fine, though, so the problem is in the cartridge/pickup/phono preamp. One cartridge had good midrange and treble but no bass. Another one was all bass and no treble. Of course, the original cartridge is NLA and I had to make do with something that fits but isn't necessarily the right response curve. I opted for the good base - I can always turn the bass down and turn up the treble.

 

[tolivac]

Conical-Elliptical stylus-You can buy either for your magnetic cartridge-most cartridge makers make both types of stylus replacements.Conicals are usually favored for very heavy use-Radio stations,libraries,discos,etc.also the conicals can withstand back quing by DJ's better-and "scratching" by Turntablists"I have replaced elliptical stylus with conical ones in radio stations where the jocks were practicing scratching.The ell were torn right off the cantelever.Yes ceramic cartridges can muddy the highs-but many times a new fresh cartridge can make them better.

 

[whirlcool]

Jason:

You may need to have the idler wheel rerubbered if the rubber has hardened signifigantly.
I have a list of Dual repair facilities (Parts/Service)on my Dual Reference Website. There are a few places that could bring your Dual 1006 back to life. The problem is parts, the 1006 was back from 1961 or so and some of the parts you need may no longer be available.
Most places charge between $175-225 to do this.

http://www.dual-reference.com

 

[qsd-dan]

Wow Whirlcool, I didn't realize that Dual site was yours!

I have Dual CS 731Q turntable I got a hold of. It came with the wrong cartridge for the ULM arm (it wasn't equipped with the special screw on weight for compensation either), but I was able to get the correct NOS cart off of eBay a year or so ago. By the movement of the strobe, it looks like the motor is glitching every once in a while. I was going to send the unit off for a full restoration to Joel at the turntablefactory.com, but he passed away before I could get it out. I wrote "Doctor Dual" earlier this year and never received a response so I gather that he isn't interested in working on it. Could you recommend anybody else? Thanks!!

 

[whirlcool]

There are a few places that could repair your CS 731Q. Check out Parts/Service center. There is a place in San Diego that can look at your machine.
With that Quartz Locked Direct Drive system, it shouldn't be glitching like that. Have you had it cleaned and lubricated in the past few years?