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Looks like my mom's 15-20 year old Maytag set are failing. She did a load the other day and got black grease stains on a bunch of white salon towels she was washing. In my experience rebuilding Ken-Pools, that's a failed seal on the spin tube allowing grease to be spun up out of the shaft bushings. But I've not worked on Maytag stuff at that depth.

Anyway, can you give me the quick and dirty on the best machines out there right now? I'm still twisting clothes in my 1953 Westinghouse Twins, so I have no clue what's good, or what's the best.

Thanks!
 
Really?

Try removing the Maytag's agitator. Oftentimes, gunk builds up from liquid detergent and fabric softener and eventually it gets so thick that globs break off as black grease. Before you go to the trouble of a new set, see if this simple problem is your issue.

For new machines, my 1st place to look would be Speed Queen top loaders.

Dave
 
Thanks Dave!

If she wasn't in Peoria, IL I'd have gone over already and taken a look at it. Wonder if that's something she might be able to do? Or get done easily with a service call I guess.
 
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Maybe there is a club member in the area that would be willing to take a look at it on your befalf?

On another note, do you have a budget figure in mind for your replacement set?

Malcolm
 
Thought about asking that...

Talked to her this afternoon after Dave's input and she's actually looking forward to new machines. She's going to do the dishwasher at the same time....lol, must be nice!

I think she's more interested in the top loaders after discovering that the pedestals for the front loaders ads about $500 to the purchase price.
 
Todd, for top loaders there's Speed Queen and then there's everything else. Compare the warranties.
 
Re: the pedestals, I think she wants the machines higher for whatever reason.

Thanks for another SQ recommendation Jeff. I've told her to go look for them and so far, she's not finding a dealer for them...yet.
 
Just looked at the SQ website. The nearest dealer to her is 30-some miles away.

I went to the SQ website and compared the specs on their FL machine at 13.9 gallons per wash, to their TL mashine at 31 gallons per wash. Wow, big difference! So if you guys are recommending TL SQ's does that mean the FL's not as good in comparision?

I love my FL's and would probably never have a TL again.[this post was last edited: 8/24/2010-23:39]
 
No...

....front loaders are great machines as someone has just posted with their results from their new Frigidaire - just don't expect to see water sloshing about...

Interestingly, we only got Speed Queen back to our market 12 or so months ago and Choice has just tested one.

When tested to the Australian Standard at full capacity, Cold/Cold, Extra large load, Options-off, Regular/Heavy setting, it only removed 64% of dirt....which put it 3rd last out of the 12 top load machines tested yet it used more water than every other machine - a total of 40 US Gallons....

A Fisher and Paykel machine managed 79% - differences of more than about 5% can be seen without need of special equipment.

A similar capacity Whirlpool tested the same way hit 76% and used similar amounts of water....

The SQ did rinse well though.....but I know what I would be choosing if I was determined to have a top load machine in the American market.....

...and it wouldn't be the expensive (but well built) SQ....I'd be going for the Whirlpool...

...and she can probably get one almost anywhere for half the price....
 
Sorry, my wording on my comparisons of the gallons used was a big obtuse. What I meant to say (edited my post) was that if the FL's use half the water, but you guys weren't recommending them over the TL's, does that mean the TL's are a much better machine?

I have a feeling she'll go with the WP TL. But I've been encouraging her to look at the SQ's if she can find 'em.
 
Todd, water usage ratings are for maximum size loads. TL's have a much wider range of water level adjustments compared to FL's. In a TL, normal loads require substantially less water, and small loads still less. So the difference often isn't much, or anything. But the real difference is in time savings, cycle times in FL's are typically 2-4x as long as TL's.
 
So the difference often isn't much, or anything.

Way wrong! My front loader uses 39 litres for a full 12 LBS load, that's only 10,3 gallons! And for smaller loads, with adaptive fill this figure can only get lower
 
So the difference often isn't much, or anything....

What????

To run a small load....lets say half....in a top loader will use more than half the water because even if it only goes half way up the basket:

- under the basket needs to be filled;
- spray rinses don't take account of load size so use the same amount of water....

So at half load, a traditional top loader will use about 60% of the water when at its capacity. In the case of the SQ I mentioned in an earlier post, this would be around 100 litres/25 gallons....

Now, I can only speak from a European front loader perspective here but:

- they work on a fill sensor too which, in its most basic form, will trip when the load stops absorbing and the level rises to trip it....less load, less absorbancy, less water.
- most people will press the 'short' or 'quick' button OR use a dedicated short cycle which either reduces the rinses to 2, may reduce the wash water level, may reduce the rinse level or all three......

....so please don't make assumptions that a traditional top loader will use the same amount of water as a modern front loader or even close to it - they don't, and they can't for the same quantity of washing for the same result.
 
Todd, given that your mother liked the older iron, she might well be happier in the long haul with the Speed Queen's quality.

Although, I will say that I was looking at Whirlpool machines at Home Depot and Lowe's recently, and didn't see much to complain about. Oh, yes, I'm sure it's not the quality of the 60s--but it looks decent for today's world. Of course, I'm assuming what I saw is typical of what comes straight out of the box. (Yes, I am cynical enough to think a store selling appliances might pick and choose, or even completely rebuild something so it looks good.)

One word of warning that should be passed to your mother is the tendency of Whirlpool DD machines to wear/harm clothes. I don't know how much of a problem that is. There are those here calling them "Shredmores." I have had experience with only one DD machine, used for nearly 10 years. Nothing got dramatically killed, although I do think clothes wear might have been accelerated just a bit.
 
$ .02

If she goes TL, then SQ would be nice, but Whirlpool will be a fine choice and less money. If her old machines lasted about 15 to 20 years, then that means she knows how to take care of them and a new TL could last her for a good 15 years too.

If she goes with FL, then I say SQ isn't necessarily the only make to be looking at. Whirlpool Duets (along with certain other Whirly FL's sold under different badges) are very capable machines and again, will cost less than SQ. Longevity, however, is a known issue with FL machines. Something to consider. Will the cumulative savings in water have made up the difference when a FL has to be replaced sooner than a TL would?

Cycle times and water use are the two big differences between TL and FL machines after washing action. FL's use far less water, but take far longer to complete a cycle. TL's use far more water, but get the job done in less than half the time of a FL machine.

Seeing as how TL machines are on the endangered species watch list, if she's on the fence at all she might want to get one while there's still some selection.
 
Thanks for giving more details guys. I really appreciate the input, as I know nothing about any of them. I'm guessing she'll go with the WP TL's because she's got that "I shop at Sears" thing going from back in the day.
 
She pulled the trigger......

......on a set of GE's. LOL, you can lead a horse to water...

Thanks for all the help anyway. Sheesh.
 
Speed Queen

I bought a SQ Top load and matching dryer literally as they were being placed on the showroom floor during their re-introduction over five years ago.
Reason: I wanted something durable and simple to use as my partner was used to the laundromat in the condo. I also told the salesman that I wanted a washer that would never go off-balance during spin (unlike the 1998 Maytag I had at the old house). Salesman said that the Speed Queen would not go off balance. He was right. The Speed Queen never went off-balance during spin except once when I stupidly put a heavy robe in there to wash and nothing else. User error!
So with no bells and whistles, they have kept our clothes clean without a hitch since we bought them in 2005. My next washer or dryer will be a Speed Queen again - no questions asked. I might go for a FL though... not sure..
 
It'll be interesting to see how the GE's last...

...she's very easy on stuff, so they'll either last her 20 years, or grenade in the next 18mos.
 
Gee, if she consulted with you only a little bit you'd think GE would have been off her list completely.

I am not optimistic, no matter how well she may care for her new machines.

SQ seems to be the way to for for TL's these days. Even my belt-eating Raytheon Amana spun first time every time and never had an unbalanced load. Quite the opposite of my Affinity that can't balance its way out of a paper bag.
 
Swiss machines

Hi Deedub
have you the results of the latest Choice dishwasher tests? Apparently, the VZug Adora SL dishwasher is much louder (and not as energy-efficient) as claimed by the manufacturer. Are those Choice tests at all reliable???
 
Grenaded in less than 2 weeks.....LOL!

Well, the washer has already failed so completely that the appliance store that she purchased it from can't repair it, has picked it up and given her a loaner, and ordered a new machine.

She had some appliance place come install her new Kitchenaid dishwasher and as part of that install, they turned off the power to the KA and that apparently also turned off the power to the laundry machines...which weren't running at the time.

Anyway, after that the washer wouldn't fire up and apparently the circuit board is dead.
 
Are those Choice tests at all reliable???

In a word...Yes.

Noise as such can be subjective in that certain noises 'loud' may not sound it to certain ears, whilst others will....take classical music and heavy metal....play both at the same dB reading and you will get people saying one is louder than the other....

BUT, from a scientific point of view, Choice will measure the noise made as a dB reading at the same distance and under the same test conditions for each machine...

Soooo....here is their testing method for dishwashers...

Overall score

CHOICE testing indicates that more dishwashers are sacrificing good washing and drying performance for better energy and water efficiency. So, to bring the spotlight back to the basic function of a dishwasher – washing dishes clean – we’ve revised our rating scale, and increased the soil removal weighting.

The overall score is a combination of the washing, drying, energy and water efficiency scores for the ‘normal’ or 'sensor' wash program weighted as follows:

Washing performance: 55%
Water efficiency: 15%
Drying performance: 15%
Energy efficiency: 15%
Washing score
We assessed how well the machines could remove food such as spinach, egg yolk, baby cereal, butter, and tea stains that had been dried on overnight, and without being rinsed first. This is based on the current Australian standard.

Drying score
This score reflects how dry the dishes were 30 minutes after the ‘normal’ cycle finished. During that time the doors were left closed.

Energy usage / score
This is based on the amount of energy used by the dishwasher on the tested program. The less energy used, the higher the score.

Water usage /score
This is based on the amount of water used per place setting by the dishwasher on the tested program. The less water used per place setting, the higher the score.

Note: The energy and water usage may differ from those given on the energy label because we often use a different program for our tests. In a recent CHOICE survey, members told us they mostly use the "normal" or "auto" program, so this is what we use for our tests.

Running costs

This is an estimate of how much it’ll cost you over 10 years (the average life of a dishwasher) for water and electricity if you wash one full load every day using a ‘normal’ cycle. The calculations are based on 17 cents per kWh for electricity and $1 per 1000 L for water.

For simplicity, we’ve excluded depreciation and any interest costs, as well as the cost of detergent – people use different amounts and the price varies considerably between brands.

Noise level

These are the maximum noise levels recorded during the normal program, measured 1 m away from the machine and 1 m above the ground. You’d be aware of all these dishwashers in the background.
 
Choice

I try to avoid it, except for the basic info they can provide.
Not so long ago they recommended a certain dishwasher that was soon after recalled due to it's remarkable ability to burst into flames. Certainly they can test for certain things, but if your sole priority is energy/water consumption and a strict dB rating, then I doubt you would be purchasing what I consider to be the best "dishwasher".
Back to the question though, was the Zug tested by Choice in Australia or elsewhere?
David.
 
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